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16 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

Just came across another article about Holmes.  It's probably not gonna make people like Cruzer happy who think the 40 time are be all end all but when asked why he recommend the Rams pick Jordan Fuller(who is really good) despite his 40 time he said that the 40 time is overrated.   He saw GPS times of him in OSU where he was running over 20MPH so he knew what his "football speed" was, said he doesn't put a ton of stock into the combine 40 cause it doesn't necessarily translate to on the field.

I know we got burnt drafting a guy with a slow 40 time in Teez but is there really any evidence that his 40 time is why he sucked?  Personally I think 40 time is the most overrated metric in football so I'm so glad that we have a GM that doesn't blindly follow it.   

The 40 can be overated, but in cases like Teez its a question about prep. He knew he wasn't gonna run great, but he showed up fat, hadn't done any training and then ran poorly. Meanwhile others guys are hiring coaches to shave off .01 of their time. 

When it comes to studying game film on your own, which of those two guys do you think is gonna be the preverbal "last guy to leave the building"

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I think it depends on position.  A strong 40 is super important for CB and outside WR.  It’s less important and probably overrated for S, Slot WR, and LB.   

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Sherman ran a 4.56 while Tabor ran a 4.63,  that is absolutely nothing yet Sherman was a pro bowler 10 years after running that.  

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2 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Uh oh.

 

Reading this article reminds me of how far the LGBT community has come in the past 20-25 years.

After saying nothing at the rally and facing outrage, university president Ray M. Bowen released a statement a week later, acknowledging Campbell's words were inappropriate. “The university’s position is that the university is inclusive,” Bowen said.

Can you IMAGINE a university president giving that half assed statement today after something like this?

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2 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

Just came across another article about Holmes.  It's probably not gonna make people like Cruzer happy who think the 40 time are be all end all but when asked why he recommend the Rams pick Jordan Fuller(who is really good) despite his 40 time he said that the 40 time is overrated.   He saw GPS times of him in OSU where he was running over 20MPH so he knew what his "football speed" was, said he doesn't put a ton of stock into the combine 40 cause it doesn't necessarily translate to on the field.

I know we got burnt drafting a guy with a slow 40 time in Teez but is there really any evidence that his 40 time is why he sucked?  Personally I think 40 time is the most overrated metric in football so I'm so glad that we have a GM that doesn't blindly follow it.   

It's partly because because for a LB 40 is too long to matter. It's like Anthony Gose in CF, blazing 40 speed, but no 1st step, which is the most important one 90% of the time. A scout/coach who will break down film and watch how a guy closes with a full pad load including his recognition time is exactly what you want. Patricia didn't seem to care about speed period. There is a difference between that and wanting speed but ranking football speed over track speed.

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3 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

I also like the fact that he played in the NFL before.  I think if you're a rookie HC it's easier to get players respect if you actually played at the highest level before unlike somebody like a Patricia who had no experience playing or being a head coach at this level before. 

Yes. Exactly why I said at the time they shoulda hired Vrabel over Patricia. No NFL player was going to respect a corpulent know-it-all who had never played the game and had only worked under one coach.

And half this board told me Patricia’s (lack of) leadership abilities didn’t make a difference. 

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11 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Isn't Seattle already on this?

If they are, I'll take Shane Steichen. He did good work with Herbert. 

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7 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

It's partly because because for a LB 40 is too long to matter. It's like Anthony Gose in CF, blazing 40 speed, but no 1st step, which is the most important one 90% of the time. A scout/coach who will break down film and watch how a guy closes with a full pad load including his recognition time is exactly what you want. Patricia didn't seem to care about speed period. There is a difference between that and wanting speed but ranking football speed over track speed.

True, but it also showed the extra effort Holmes went.  He personally went to OSU(who had tracking devices on each player) to see all the numbers.  He saw that Fuller had a great top speed and saw how he accelerated from a blocking position to that top speed.    I'm sure he isn't the only scout to do that type of research but the fact that he saw that Fuller jumped out on the tape, then went to analytics to back up his case(not just lazily looking at 40 time) it was impressed me.  I only use Fuller as an example cause that was the example he used in the interview I read about how he feels 40 times are overated.

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4 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

Yes. Exactly why I said at the time they shoulda hired Vrabel over Patricia. No NFL player was going to respect a corpulent know-it-all who had never played the game and had only worked under one coach.

And half this board told me Patricia’s (lack of) leadership abilities didn’t make a difference. 

Most head coaches have never played in the NFL. Robert Saleh who everyone is drooling about never played in the NFL. 

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I'd like to see either Matt Canada from Pittsburgh or Chris Petersen for OC. If Petersen doesn't want the stress of being a college coach and recruiting again I'd love to make him a lucrative offer to be OC.

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I have to say, Campbell looks to be in incredible shape. It must of been hard to take Patricia seriously when he was making the players run and he was fatter than holy ****. 

 

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17 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Most head coaches have never played in the NFL. Robert Saleh who everyone is drooling about never played in the NFL. 

FWIW, I was not “drooling” about Saleh. 

And the point is not that an NFL coach must have played in the NFL, or that a former NFL players will outperform non-NFL players at coaches. 

The point is that NFL players are men at the top fraction of a percent of skill, talent, motivation, physical condition, and accomplishment. They do not respond to BS artists (like Patricia). A former NFL player, and an alpha male personality (like Campbell seems to have) instantly has credibility. Maybe he will squander that credibility, but a slob like Patricia never had it to begin with. He was a failure as Head Coach from the day he was hired, and everything got worse from there. 

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7 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I have to say, Campbell looks to be in incredible shape. It must of been hard to take Patricia seriously when he was making the players run and he was fatter than holy ****. 

 

Yes, exactly. 

“That fat **** Patricia is going to make me run sprints up a hill? And he just got here last month?”

He was DOA. 

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2 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Reading this article reminds me of how far the LGBT community has come in the past 20-25 years.

After saying nothing at the rally and facing outrage, university president Ray M. Bowen released a statement a week later, acknowledging Campbell's words were inappropriate. “The university’s position is that the university is inclusive,” Bowen said.

Can you IMAGINE a university president giving that half assed statement today after something like this?

One man's "half assed" is another man's reasonable response to an overblown incident.  Nowadays I imagine the President would have to walk barefoot across town through the mud in a hair shirt and bow before the monks of Canterbury Cathedral who would then whip him for a day as he lay, prostrate on the ground begging forgiveness....

 

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32 minutes ago, Buddha said:

One man's "half assed" is another man's reasonable response to an overblown incident.  Nowadays I imagine the President would have to walk barefoot across town through the mud in a hair shirt and bow before the monks of Canterbury Cathedral who would then whip him for a day as he lay, prostrate on the ground begging forgiveness....

 

It was overblown no doubt. Pretty dumb it's even coming to light right now like some "revelation" after his name has come to prominence.

The president's response though may as well been "I'm sorry you feel that way". Nowadays there probably would have been more uproar over a response like that than the original comments... And no barefoot walking in front of monks would have been necessary. Just more sincere sounding BS. ;) 

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For assistant GM's, I think that they need to get two of the most talented young minorities they can get. If you can get 2 third round picks for developing minority GM's, then I'm shallow enough to go in that direction.

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15 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

I have to say, Campbell looks to be in incredible shape. It must of been hard to take Patricia seriously when he was making the players run and he was fatter than holy ****. 

I think any player thinking that way is an idiot.  If a player can't understand that the requirements of a coach and a player re: conditioning are different, then I dunno if that player is smart enough to even learn a playbook.

That's not to say that it might not be a side note sort of thing.  If you already don't like the guy for X, Y, and X and a little bit of W as well, then the fact that he's making you condition hard when he's in poor shape might just bit a bit of gravy on the top in terms of dislike.  But anyone who says: "Man... he'd be a decent enough coach over all, but the fact that he's overweight just means I can't listen to a think he says and take it seriously"... that person is dumb.

 

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7 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

I think any player thinking that way is an idiot.  If a player can't understand that the requirements of a coach and a player re: conditioning are different, then I dunno if that player is smart enough to even learn a playbook.

That's not to say that it might not be a side note sort of thing.  If you already don't like the guy for X, Y, and X and a little bit of W as well, then the fact that he's making you condition hard when he's in poor shape might just bit a bit of gravy on the top in terms of dislike.  But anyone who says: "Man... he'd be a decent enough coach over all, but the fact that he's overweight just means I can't listen to a think he says and take it seriously"... that person is dumb.

 

Well, yes and no. Every coach needs some wedge to establish his credibility. But it can be different for each coach. If you played for Bill Walsh you had to respect that he was going to give you better X's and O's every week than the other guy got. If you are Bill Belichek your players have to respect that you have a whole hand full of the rings they want too. Some coaches may have the luxury of a personality that just pulls people in (Urban Meyer?). If a coach doesn't have those things (yet), but is young and strong enough to go through drills or train with his players to prove his commitment and establish a common frame of experience, there is nothing wrong with that either.

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1 hour ago, RedRamage said:

I think any player thinking that way is an idiot.  If a player can't understand that the requirements of a coach and a player re: conditioning are different, then I dunno if that player is smart enough to even learn a playbook.

That's not to say that it might not be a side note sort of thing.  If you already don't like the guy for X, Y, and X and a little bit of W as well, then the fact that he's making you condition hard when he's in poor shape might just bit a bit of gravy on the top in terms of dislike.  But anyone who says: "Man... he'd be a decent enough coach over all, but the fact that he's overweight just means I can't listen to a think he says and take it seriously"... that person is dumb.

 

Nope. 

These players have spent 15 or more years training and competing at the highest level every day. They do not respect bull ****. 

And they shouldn’t. 

Patricia came in with zero credibility. Bro, did he even lift?

No. He was a fat slob who rode the coattails of the greatest HC in history and the greatest QB in history. 

He could have earned credibility if his rocket scientist defensive schemes worked. But they didn’t. So he started with zero credibility and went down from there. 

Suddenly it was players who another coach had won with who were the problem. Coach with zero credibility at the start found himself in a credibility deficit and had to start running off good players. Now the franchise has a talent deficit as a result. 

At the very least Campbell proved that he belonged in the NFL as a player. And he has paid his dues as a coach. He may not be the right guy, but he would not be starting out with zero credibility. 

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36 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

That's awkward...

Detroit Sportswriter’s Problematic Tweets Resurface Days After He Tried To Expose Lions HC Candidate Dan Campbell Over Old Controversial Remark

 

(Freep author who published about Campbell's 1998 remarks has objectively worse homophobic and racist remarks on Twitter from 2012)

Glass House,.  Meet Stone.  

As far as Dan Campbell and football players.....................if you start eliminating players based on homophobic slurs when they were players and when they were really young, you might run out of candidates. I don't know if people know this, but football players can be a little mean.    Doesn't mean it's right, but  exposing this sportswriter reminds me of the uproar from some sports media personnel over Laramie Tunsil's pot video.    I know personally know two media members (from my radio days) who downgraded him over the pot video - two media members who smoked pot every chance they got when they were younger.    Be careful there.    

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