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You guys should be enjoying the end of these clowns instead of engaging in a stubbornfest about Teez Tabor.  Honestly, there’s a better chance of Teez playing again than either of you admitting defeat in this stupid debate.   

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3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I don't give a **** about Tabor anymore. You're literally bringing up Tabor to start something and then accuse me of arguing or being contrarian or whatever. Not going to engage any further on your Tabor troll. 

no im not.  im putting your posts in context.

if someone criticizes the fords, you defend them.  if someone criticizes quinn, you defend him.  if someone criticizes patricia, you defend them.

and then when i ask you if you support patricia, the fords or quinn, you say you dont.  

if not, why do you need to defend them all the time?

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2 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

You guys should be enjoying the end of these clowns instead of engaging in a stubbornfest about Teez Tabor.  Honestly, there’s a better chance of Teez playing again than either of you admitting defeat in this stupid debate.   

i do enjoy it.  i dont see why some posters need to defend them now that theyre gone.

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3 minutes ago, Buddha said:

no im not.  im putting your posts in context.

if someone criticizes the fords, you defend them.  if someone criticizes quinn, you defend him.  if someone criticizes patricia, you defend them.

and then when i ask you if you support patricia, the fords or quinn, you say you dont.  

if not, why do you need to defend them all the time?

This all started because you wanted to argue about what Hockenson was top 5 and I gave you three things and you go off bringing up Quinn, Patricia, the Ford's and Teez ******* Tabor. So because I think choosing Hockenson over a terrible DL is somehow defending the Ford's, Quinn and Teez Tabor. 

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4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

This all started because you wanted to argue about what Hockenson was top 5 and I gave you three things and you go off bringing up Quinn, Patricia, the Ford's and Teez ******* Tabor. So because I think choosing Hockenson over a terrible DL is somehow defending the Ford's, Quinn and Teez Tabor. 

that's not where it started at all.  you've been a contrarian forever about the lions.  all im doing is putting your posts in context.

its funny that you think this is all about the # of catches hockenson has or that this is about ed freaking oliver.

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57 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Michigan has made the decision, whether consciously or not, that they are more of a Stanford, Vanderbilt, or Northwestern than they are an Ohio State, U$C, or Alabama.

I agree with this. I don't think they are concerned about seriously challenging OSU anymore, but they do have to have the revenue, so they still will do what has to be done to get those 10 win seasons that will keep the stadium full and the merchandise sales going.

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Just now, Buddha said:

that's not where it started at all.  you've been a contrarian forever about the lions.  all im doing is putting your posts in context.

its funny that you think this is all about the # of catches hockenson has or that this is about ed freaking oliver.

Who would you rather have, TJ Hockenson or Ed Oliver?

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3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Who would you rather have, TJ Hockenson or Ed Oliver?

devin bush

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1 minute ago, Buddha said:

devin bush

So you would rather have the guy with the torn ACL? The question was Oliver or Hockenson as Oliver was the next likely to be drafted if they passed on Hockenson. 

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1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

So you would rather have the guy with the torn ACL? The question was Oliver or Hockenson as Oliver was the next likely to be drafted if they passed on Hockenson. 

you framed the question as that, but that wasnt the situation at the time.  the lions could have taken anyone left on the board, they didnt have to take ed oliver or hockenson, that's not how it works.

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Just now, Buddha said:

you framed the question as that, but that wasnt the situation at the time.  the lions could have taken anyone left on the board, they didnt have to take ed oliver or hockenson, that's not how it works.

I mean, it's not like Devin Bush had been lighting it up. He has a lower PFF grade than Hockenson and has a whole two sacks. 

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Just now, Motown Bombers said:

I mean, it's not like Devin Bush had been lighting it up. He has a lower PFF grade than Hockenson and has a whole two sacks. 

if the lions had taken devin bush, you would have supported it if everyone on the board wanted hockenson or oliver instead.  just like teez.  just like every other thing the lions have done.  its what you do.  no need to run from it.

rather than coming on here and just disagreeing with people, why dont you say what you think the lions should do now?  who do YOU think they should hire?  what should they do?

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7 minutes ago, Buddha said:

if the lions had taken devin bush, you would have supported it if everyone on the board wanted hockenson or oliver instead.  just like teez.  just like every other thing the lions have done.  its what you do.  no need to run from it.

rather than coming on here and just disagreeing with people, why dont you say what you think the lions should do now?  who do YOU think they should hire?  what should they do?

You're the one disagreeing with me! You brought up Teez Tabor just to disagree. I was agreeing with another poster on TJ Hockenson being top 5 and you came along and disagreed and started throwing around Quinn, Patricia, the Ford's and Teez Tabor. 

I've already said they should consider Bevell as head coach and you disagreed. I have no idea who they should hire as GM. It's a total crap shoot. As long as they go through the right process and consult with the right people and make an informed decision I will be happy. 

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Just now, Motown Bombers said:

You're the one disagreeing with me! You brought up Teez Tabor just to disagree. I was agreeing with another poster on TJ Hockenson and you came along and disagreed and started throwing around Quinn, Patricia, the Ford's and Teez Tabor. 

I've already said they should consider Bevell as head coach and you disagreed. I have no idea who they should hire as GM. It's a total crap shoot. As long as they go through the right process and consult with the right people and make an informed decision I will be happy. 

nope.  i brought up your constant disagreement and contrarianism long before the hockenson thing started.  

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1 minute ago, Buddha said:

nope.  i brought up your constant disagreement and contrarianism long before the hockenson thing started.  

TP said Hockenson was top 5 and I agreed and supported him and you disagreed and then something something Teez Tabor. 

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4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

TP said Hockenson was top 5 and I agreed and supported him and you disagreed and then something something Teez Tabor. 

nope.  go back and read page 3.

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4 hours ago, Buddha said:

But why?  I mean, I know you have to be a contrarian and if everyone likes Saleh you have to come here and tell us all how he sucks, but let's toss that aside for a second and take your idea at face value.

WHY Darrell Bevell?  He's never been a head coach, he's not exactly "innovative", and he hasn't been very successful here.  Most of his career, he's been in charge of middling offenses with a couple good seasons when he has a bell cow running back to give the ball to 30 times a game.  When he left Seattle, Russell Wilson turned into a top 5 NFL QB.  When he came here, Stafford had half of an excellent season, one decent season, and one (so far) below average season.

What about Bevell screams head coaching candidate?

nothing there about hockenson.  just you being a contrarian.

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Just now, Buddha said:

nothing there about hockenson.  just you being a contrarian.

You just quoted yourself disagreeing with me about Bevell. I also have no problem with Saleh. My point was Bevell is just as qualified as Saleh. 

You're free to ignore me if I don't ***** enough about the Lions to your liking. 

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10 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

You just quoted yourself disagreeing with me about Bevell. I also have no problem with Saleh. My point was Bevell is just as qualified as Saleh. 

You're free to ignore me if I don't ***** enough about the Lions to your liking. 

right, so as long as were clear that this wasnt about hockenson like you said.  got it.

now that weve ruined this thread for everyone else, i will quit.

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Just now, Buddha said:

right, so as long as were clear that this wasnt about hockenson like you said.  got it.

now that weve ruined this thread for everyone else, i will quit.

When you brought up Teez Tabor it was about Hockenson. When you asked me about Quinn and the Ford's it was about Hockenson. Now you bring up when you disagreed with me about Bevell and somehow had the nerve to call me contrarian when you have done nothing but disagree with me and bring up draft picks from three years ago.  

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3 hours ago, ROMAD1 said:

I kinda had to think about that one.  Toronto Maple Leafs?

Not even close, the Leafs have had some contending teams in the last 60+ years, made several conference finals in the last 30 years.

The one franchise, that has been around almost as long as the Lions, that comes close to their level of futility is the Browns and even they've won 6 more playoff games than the Lions in the last 60+ years. The Cubs perhaps before they won a World Series. That's about it, nobody comes close to matching one playoff win in 63 years. It's one of the most remarkable stats in sports history, unbelievable inepitutedle consistency.

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12 hours ago, Buddha said:

the leafs won in the 60s.  the lions have won 1 playoff game since 1957 in a league designed to create parity.

the lions are by far the worst franchise in the history of american sports.

Not even close.

The Lions have won 4 championships in the 30's and 50's. They may not have been relevant in recent history (the past 60+ years); but they have 4 championships.

If you're talking about worst in history you have to include St. Louis Browns, Washington Senators, Seattle Mariners, Milwaukee Brewers.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers with a .387 overall winning % (and 1 championship), 

In Football.. the Cardinals are the worst: oldest NFL franchise... .422 overall winning %, and two championships (when they were in Chicago) 1925 and 1947. They've been around since 1920.

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