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Matt Patricia/Bob Quinn fired - Holmes/Cambell Hired as GM/Coach

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27 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

Holmes is not hiring the coach. And he should not be allowed to hire a coach. 

This is a good point.  People will assume that GM picks the coach but I don’t think that’s the he case here.   He will get a big say but I don’t think he will have final decision.   It’s not like a first time guy was going to turn the job down if they didn’t give him total control on the coach search.  

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33 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

He should absolutely have a say in hiring the coach. He has to build continuity and rapport with this guy. If he has one philosophy about how to build a team and his coach has another, that doesn't sound like the makings for building a contending team. A coach and a GM disagreeing once and a while is one thing, but if they don't have an open, transparent relationship and if they aren't on the same page as far as roster building goes, that would be a disaster.

Agree Holmes should have a say. But this should not be the green light that rookie Quinn got to hire rookie Patricia. 

And it's not Holmes's philosophy that will be implemented. It should be Spielman's. 

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16 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

It’s not like a first time guy was going to turn the job down if they didn’t give him total control on the coach search.  

Especially after they are already near the end of the interview process for head coach.

This is Spielman's team, and these are Spielman's searches.

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51 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

Holmes is not hiring the coach. And he should not be allowed to hire a coach. 

He's the GM, he should hire the coach. Part of his job, a big part, is assembling a staff that sets forth his vision.

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Holmes was the only GM to get a 2nd interview and got the job. So far, Smith is the only HC to get a 2nd interview. I'm hoping it's Smith. I've liked him better than Saleh.

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4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Holmes was the only GM to get a 2nd interview and got the job. So far, Smith is the only HC to get a 2nd interview. I'm hoping it's Smith. I've liked him better than Saleh.

It does seem to trend in this direction. The 2nd interview will likely include Holmes, and I would think if there are no red flags he will be the man.

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4 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

It does seem to trend in this direction. The 2nd interview will likely include Holmes, and I would think if there are no red flags he will be the man.

 

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if its smith, do we get the tennessee offense?  which is a lot like the patricia offense, only with derrick henry.

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17 minutes ago, NYLion said:

He's the GM, he should hire the coach. Part of his job, a big part, is assembling a staff that sets forth his vision.

Wrong. Too much for a rookie GM.

It's Spielman's team.

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5 minutes ago, Buddha said:

if its smith, do we get the tennessee offense?  which is a lot like the patricia offense, only with derrick henry.

I hope so. It's the same offense that resurrected the career of Tannehill. Hopefully he could make good work with a back like Swift. I would also trust that Smith would adapt to his talent and become a more downfield team with Stafford. When you have Derrick Henry, there's no reason not to keep giving him the ball. 

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4 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

Wrong. Too much for a rookie GM.

It's Spielman's team.

Not it's not. He's not the Team President unless we're being lied to. He's an advisor.

If this is indeed Spielman's team then I can understand why no veteran GM would want to come here and they essentially hired a puppet if what you say is true that this is Spielman's team and that Spielman has control of personnel decisions.

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Just now, Motown Bombers said:

I hope so. It's the same offense that resurrected the career of Tannehill. Hopefully he could make good work with a back like Swift. I would also trust that Smith would adapt to his talent and become a more downfield team with Stafford. When you have Derrick Henry, there's no reason not to keep giving him the ball. 

as long as they dont give it to adrian freaking peterson.

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9 minutes ago, Buddha said:

if its smith, do we get the tennessee offense?  which is a lot like the patricia offense, only with derrick henry.

I mean, Patricia tied this team to a ball control philosophy without a bell cow running back at his disposal. I don't know if Arthur Smith is a ball control guy as much as he took the players he had at his disposal and married his scheme to it. Derrick Henry is the best/second best RB in the league and he worked with what he had and built an offense around him. Henry is the ultimate power, ball control back.

Looking at the numbers Tennessee ranked 23rd in total passing yards and yards per game. Second in total rushing yards and yards per game. They were 4th in total points and points per game.

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Darrell Bevell adjusted. In Seattle when he had Lynch they were a ground and pound team. Once he was free of Patricia, he opened it up. I'm assuming Smith isn't going to be married to his philosophy. Besides, it wouldn't hurt to have a coach who has had a successful ground game since the Lions haven't consistently had that since Barry Sanders. Swift is a promising young back. I also wouldn't mind bringing Johnson back. Never made sense to sign Peterson and take carries away from Johnson. 

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Matt LeFluer was also the Titans offensive coordinator before taking the Packers job. That has been working well for them. 

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11 minutes ago, NYLion said:

Not it's not. He's not the Team President unless we're being lied to. He's an advisor.

If this is indeed Spielman's team then I can understand why no veteran GM would want to come here and they essentially hired a puppet if what you say is true that this is Spielman's team and that Spielman has control of personnel decisions.

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I'm sure the Lions were straight forward with Holmes and let him know how the hiring process for the head coach is going to work. He obviously agreed to that process. I would assume Sheila, Spielman, and Holmes will be involved in the upcoming coaching interviews. 

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6 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

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What do you take issue with?

I said the GM is going to have a big say in the coach hire and you're saying, no no no it's Spielman's team, so care to elaborate? How is this Spielman's team if he's just an advisor and gives his input? You think he has full control of personnel decisions? You think Holmes won't have a say in the hiring process?

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38 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

Wrong. Too much for a rookie GM.

It's Spielman's team.

 

33 minutes ago, NYLion said:

Not it's not. He's not the Team President unless we're being lied to. He's an advisor.

If this is indeed Spielman's team then I can understand why no veteran GM would want to come here and they essentially hired a puppet if what you say is true that this is Spielman's team and that Spielman has control of personnel decisions.

I guess it doesn't matter if we know or not, but I hope the Lions are clear whether in Spielman, whatever his title (or in anyone else) they are going to have a full time, everyday director of football ops in a chair above the GM or not. because it will mean a different relationship between the GM and coach. 

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I think the Lions’ head coach candidates were mostly related to the GM’s they’ve been interviewing.  Maybe Smith is Holmes’ top choice and that’s why he has a second interview scheduled.  I’m guessing there is overlap in the desired coaching candidates for the various GMs.

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Just heard some transcripts on the radio of Holmes interviews he has done in the past and I really like his philosophy when it comes to analytics and actual eye test scouting.

Sounds like he prefers actual scouting and what you see on the field but he uses analytics as another tool to help him make a decision on a player.   He recognizes the importance of analytics but isn't married to it and doesn't treat it as the be all end all.  That's the same mindset I have.   

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The Lions decided to hire Holmes yesterday and finished up the contract today. It was also reported yesterday a second interview with Smith. Seems to be trending towards Smith. 

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If Holmes can bring the Rams drafting success here, it's a good hire.  I'm not as down on Lewis as some - I personally would prefer someone who has been a head coach. 

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