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Matt Patricia/Bob Quinn fired - Holmes/Cambell Hired as GM/Coach

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Given whose left, and assuming the Colbert rumor is not true, these are my favorite parings . . .

1. Dodds/Saleh

2. Holmes/Saleh

3. Dodds/Smith

4. Holmes/Smith

5. Dodds/Bevell

6. Holmes/Bevell

7. Dodds/Bieniemy

8. Holmes/Bieniemy

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I think I like Arthur Smith for head coach than Saleh. The last offensive coordinator for the Titans has gone on to do some good things. Smith has done great work with Tannehill and I generally prefer offensive guys to defensive guys. I think my top pairings would be Dodds and Smith or Saleh and Holmes with Smith or Saleh. 

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I will say that Smith working with Stafford would be exciting, even given my dislike for Stafford. I'd like to see if Smith could get Stafford over the hump of winning big games and starting to beat/dominate the good defenses. Stafford certainly seemed better when unshackled from Patricia's offensive philosophy and I think Smith could open this offense and give it more balance with a real run game.

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2 hours ago, Buddha said:

its certainly not nonsense.  they hired him to run the organization.  he should hire who he thinks is the best coach.

he was just wrong, like he was about a lot of things.  you think martha knew better?  she had to ask ernie accorsi because she knew she didnt know any better.

My point is not whether or not Martha knew (or Sheila knows) better. 

My point is that every GM makes decisions based on his personal interests, which are not always the same as the best interests of the franchise. 

This was the case with Quinn. I said from the moment he arrived that he would keep Caldwell on a wait-and-see basis. If Caldwell happened to succeed, Quinn would take credit. If not, he would ask for “his guy.” This is exactly what happened. 

All I keep hearing is that “We have to hire a GM and then let him hire his guy.” I call bull. This is the mistake the Ford family made last time. 

Then, I would like to have seen the Ford family raise the (obvious) point that Quinn was a new GM and should not be given the liberty to hire an equally inexperienced HC. It may have been in Quinn’s interest to hire his Pats buddy, but it was not in the long term interest of the franchise to entrust its football operations to two men who had never worked (or played) at the NFL level except under the shadow of Bill Belichick’s hoodie. 

Now, I am glad that they have hired Spielman as someone who can give them sound and seasoned advice about their football operations. He is far more aligned with their interests, due to the way the role is structured and due to his personal situation and history with the team, than any GM or HC ever could be. 

I don’t have an opinion as to whether they should hire a GM or HC first, and I don’t have a strong opinion as to who they should hire. But I do have the opinion that the Ford family should be MORE involved in defining and defending the long term interests of the franchise than they have been, rather than less involved. 

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If it turns out to be Holmes/Bevell, where would folks grade that?

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28 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

My point is not whether or not Martha knew (or Sheila knows) better. ....

A team can define the duties of it's GM any way they like, and if that does not include hiring the HC, that's fine - given one caveat - that there there be a football person in a position above both the GM and Coach - say Team VP or President of operations to make sure everyone is rowing in the same direction. My take had been that the Lions wanted their GM to be their top football guy. That is not what you are hiring if you are reserving the hiring and firing of the coach. I will predict the franchise will continue to suffer if they have both HC and GM directly responsible to ownership that still doesn't know football. A guy like Spielman could be that guy I suppose if you brought him full time with a full portfolio, but a lot of that job would then be administrative. If that Spielman's metier?

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1 minute ago, T&P_Fan said:

If it turns out to be Holmes/Bevell, where would folks grade that?

I would be satisfied. The players really responded to Bevell so I have no problem with him. I really like Arthur Smith over Saleh. Holmes I think would be a good hire. Provided Colbert is not a realistic option, a Dodds/Smith hire would be an A+ and Holmes/Bevell would be in the solid B to B+ range. 

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33 minutes ago, T&P_Fan said:

If it turns out to be Holmes/Bevell, where would folks grade that?

C+

B for Holmes/F for Bevell  - GM more important so it gets weighted more.   

Bevell didn’t do enough with his chance.   He needed to get the team looking significantly better, and while there were some bright moments, that really didn’t happen.   Marvin Lewis would be significantly better than Bevell.  

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It’s not a hiring announcement. At least for the moment, thats promising.   

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55 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

A team can define the duties of it's GM any way they like, and if that does not include hiring the HC, that's fine - given one caveat - that there there be a football person in a position above both the GM and Coach - say Team VP or President of operations to make sure everyone is rowing in the same direction. My take had been that the Lions wanted their GM to be their top football guy. That is not what you are hiring if you are reserving the hiring and firing of the coach. I will predict the franchise will continue to suffer if they have both HC and GM directly responsible to ownership that still doesn't know football. A guy like Spielman could be that guy I suppose if you brought him full time with a full portfolio, but a lot of that job would then be administrative. If that Spielman's metier?

There now is a person above both the GM and HC. Chris Spielman. 

He was a flawless ambassador for the franchise during his playing career. He has remained entrenched within the league as an announcer. His brother is one of the longest-tenured GMs in the NFL, giving him valuable insights into another franchise. He did not come looking for the job, it came looking for him. I don’t know the length of his contract, but I would not be surprised if they told him they envisioned him remaining in the position until he retires.

His job will not be administrative in the least. He is there to give his unvarnished opinion to the Ford family on the franchise’s football operations. Undoubtedly this will include interviewing GM and HC candidates, setting broad parameters of ownership’s expectations for them, evaluating their performance, and the like. He is not there to manage salary cap or draft boards. He is there to ensure that those who do, do so with the long-term interests of the franchise in mind. 

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1 hour ago, T&P_Fan said:

If it turns out to be Holmes/Bevell, where would folks grade that?

B -/C+

Bevell is "fine".  let's see who the coordinators are.  would he keep the offense?  holmes sounds like a good guy and he's been wanted in a bunch of places.  and he's more important than bevell.

although i think we would be hearing in two years how holmes wants to "bring in his own guy" if bevell wasnt in the playoffs by then.

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funny how bienemy isnt getting any buzz.  i think a lot of teams are scared off by his past and dont want to deal with the inevitable questions about it.

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Just now, Buddha said:

funny how bienemy isnt getting any buzz.  i think a lot of teams are scared off by his past and dont want to deal with the inevitable questions about it.

I think teams also may think he's a product of Andy Reid seeing as Matt Nagy has been underwhelming so far. 

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speaking of nagy, no changes in chicago.  nagy and pace both return.

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8 minutes ago, Buddha said:

funny how bienemy isnt getting any buzz.  i think a lot of teams are scared off by his past and dont want to deal with the inevitable questions about it.

I want Bienemy over Bevell but given the reporting over the past week it seems the organization doesn't because there has been more hype around Bevell than Bienemy. It seems Bienemy had his interview and then nothing happened after that.

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6 minutes ago, Buddha said:

funny how bienemy isnt getting any buzz.  i think a lot of teams are scared off by his past and dont want to deal with the inevitable questions about it.

Also he is not available until KC is out of the playoffs now.

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it just seems like ed Dodds is such a good candidate, it would be disappointing not to get him.

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2 minutes ago, Buddha said:

it just seems like ed Dodds is such a good candidate, it would be disappointing not to get him.

Dodds will probably get a 2nd interview and there will be more handwringing about how long it's taking. 

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42 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

It’s not a hiring announcement. At least for the moment, thats promising.   

Jets fans are losing their minds on their message board.

I've made it clear that Saleh is my #1 coaching choice but I'm not jumping off a ledge if he doesn't land with the Lions.

With that said, if it's not Dodds/Saleh, I'm going to freak the **** out. 😉

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7 minutes ago, Buddha said:

it just seems like ed Dodds is such a good candidate, it would be disappointing not to get him.

Of the GM candidates we have interviewed the only two I would be truly upset about if we took over Dodds are Scott Pioli and Jeff Ireland. I don't think any of us (I know I don't) know enough about Brad Holmes or Terry Fontenot to really hate and get upset at the Lions for picking them over Dodds. Rick Smith would underwhelm me but I'd understand why he was chosen over Dodds and Thomas Dimitroff would be someone I'm perfectly fine with, even if Dodds is my preferred candidate.

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Just now, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Of the GM candidates we have interviewed the only two I would be truly upset about if we took over Dodds are Scott Pioli and Jeff Ireland. I don't think any of us (I know I don't) know enough about Brad Holmes or Terry Fontenot to really hate and get upset at the Lions for picking them over Dodds. Rick Smith would underwhelm me but I'd understand why he was chosen over Dodds and Thomas Dimitroff would be someone I'm perfectly fine with, even if Dodds is my preferred candidate.

I feel like if Smith, Pioli and Dimitroff were serious candidates, the Lions would have scheduled 2nd interviews already. They were among the very first to interview and yet we haven't heard anything about them since. I think the finalist will be Holmes, Dodds, and Fontenot. 

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i'm really wary of saints guys after seeing pace in chicago.  kind of like pats guys for me.

i know holmes has been with the rams exclusively also but i feel a little better about that because he's been a part of failure as well as success and seen multiple ways to do things rather than just seeing how sean payton does them.  also, holmes has been in charge of college scouting and fontenot pro scouting and i think college is more important, although thats probably more of a nitpick than anything.

definitely no to jeff ireland and im surprised he's even being mentioned considering the dez bryant controversy.

im still all about ed dodds now that paton is gone and colbert appears to be just an illusion.

i still would be satisfied with dimitroff.  even smith.  holmes?  id be a little worried but willing to trust spielman.

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