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Just now, Motown Bombers said:

So Harbaugh recruiting one of the top QBs in the country is a bad thing? Are you serious? 

Who said it was? I said that he won with a generational QB, it wasn't like he went through 4 different QB and produced two maxwell winners at Stanford. He had one in his tenure and it was a generational guy. 

Tell us what does Harbaugh do that leads you to believe he is gonna win a Superbowl? He hasn't ever won one or even a conference championship in college. 

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1 minute ago, Keepleyland2 said:

Who said it was? I said that he won with a generational QB, it wasn't like he went through 4 different QB and produced two maxwell winners at Stanford. He had one in his tenure and it was a generational guy. 

Tell us what does Harbaugh do that leads you to believe he is gonna win a Superbowl? He hasn't ever won one or even a conference championship in college. 

Is this a joke? He coached an NFL team to the Super Bowl. 

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1 hour ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I've said this before somewhere on this board but it's worth repeating. The things that make people hate Harbaugh at Michigan - namely, his failure to beat Ohio State and take the "next step" - is something that just doesn't apply in the same way in the NFL.

Ohio State is a school that has chosen to sell their souls to win football games. Harbaugh has been tasked to then beat that team without cutting corners and by doing everything on the straight-and-narrow. You don't see Vanderbilt coaches getting scrutinized for failing to consistently beat Florida, yet as an institution Michigan is closer to Vanderbilt and Ohio State is closer to Florida than either are close to each other at this point. He is 49-22 at Michigan. Just because 5 of those 22 losses came against a team you hate more than Satan himself doesn't invalidate a .690 winning percentage.

On the other hand, big games in the NFL are when you come into Cincinnati on Christmas Eve at 8-6 to play a 5-9 Bengals team needing a win to make the playoffs. Harbaugh has almost always won the games he is supposed to.

I think he'd be a phenomenal get for the Lions if the fanbase didn't run him out of town before he got a chance.

This is BS. When Vanerbilt doesn't beat Kentucky their coach gets fired. When Iowa doesn't beat WIsconsin the fan base gets pissed. Every fan base wants its team to beat their rivals. Don't play it doesn't exist in other places. 

And its Michigan. It should be competing with Ohio State and shouldn't be .500 against Michigan State. Get out of here with that junk. His failures are not just aganist teams that "sold their soul" it's against most good teams.

And it matters in the NFL. If a guy can't get his players prepared or beat a good team in college, what makes you think he can prepare and beat good teams in week 16 with the playoffs on the line? It speaks to motivation and preparation. 

But, the thing all you Harbuagh people ignore is that he is not a good gameday coach. Put on the tape, watch a game. He makes several baffling decision each game. That is why his teams always lose in the big moments. 

If we hired Harbuagh, I have no doubt that he'd get us to the playoffs once or twice. But, he wear out his welcome and be gone in five years. Basically, Jim Schwartz. Its what the lions have done too much of in 60 years. Play it safe and hope. Go big, hire the big name or hire the Ubran Meyer of the world. If it doesn't work, just cut bait. But, the Harbaughs is what we've done for 6 decades and it hasn't worked. 

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3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Is this a joke? He coached an NFL team to the Super Bowl. 

And lost. 

So OK we'll give him that. That's what makes a good coach a lone superbowl apperance. **** we should sign Rex Gossman to play QB, he led a team to a superbowl. 

You guys hang your hat so much on the Kapernick year. I don't get it, plus that was almost a decade ago now. 

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1 minute ago, Keepleyland2 said:

And lost. 

So OK we'll give him that. That's what makes a good coach a lone superbowl apperance. **** we should sign Rex Gossman to play QB, he led a team to a superbowl. 

Well no, 3 NFC championship games in 4 years, turning a franchise from a perennial loser into a perennial winner. 

Tell me, what NFL coaching candidate has more NFL success? I'm still waiting....

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9 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Well no, 3 NFC championship games in 4 years, turning a franchise from a perennial loser into a perennial winner. 

Tell me, what NFL coaching candidate has more NFL success? I'm still waiting....

Yeah the 49ers perennial losers...

And you ignored the point I made in the very beginning. It's not so much that other coaches have more success in the NFL than Harbaugh. It's that I know what Harbaugh can do and that its unlikley he's gonna win a superbowl. The other guys might be worse --something i admitted 9 posts ago-but they also might be better.

You have yet to say why Harbaugh is a good fit other than just repeating well he's been to a superbowl and lost. Is that lone factor outweigh the bone head in game decisions, and the personality, and the boring offense, and the lack of developing NFL talent, and the fact he does poorly in big games and he never a championship in college? 

I can remember plenty of posts from you hating on Leyland. Yet he was to multiple championship series and even won one. So why all this love for Harbuagh? Why not hire Lovie Smith, he's been to a superbowl too. Is it just cause Harbaugh is 45 minutes away? 

You asked why there isn't the adoration for Harbaugh like the other coaches. I answered and your response was just to put out wrong info then say things over and over like "he's been to a superbowl." Well yeah lots of guys have been there, doesn't automatically make them good. 

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People want to talk about Kapernick's success under Harbaugh in San Francisco. How much of that was actually Harbaugh and how much was Greg Roman, his OC? This is same Greg Roman that has had top 5 offenses 5 of 8 seasons he has been an OC and has made Lamar Jackson look like a great QB in the process. I get the sense, having watched what Roman did with Jackson in Baltimore as the OC, that it was as much or more Roman's doing in turning Kapernick into a component NFL starter as it was Harbaugh.

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1 minute ago, Keepleyland2 said:

Yeah the 49ers perennial losers...

And you ignored the point I made in the very beginning. It's not so much that other coaches have more success in the NFL than Harbaugh. It's that I know what Harbaugh can do and that its unlikley he's gonna win a superbowl. The other guys might be worse --something i admitted 9 posts ago-but they also might be better.

You have yet to say why Harbaugh is a good fit other than just repeating well he's been to a superbowl and lost. Is that lone factor outweigh the bone head in game decisions, and the personality, and the boring offense, and the lack of developing NFL talent, and the fact he does poorly in big games and he never a championship in college? 

I can remember plenty of posts from you hating on Leyland. Yet he was to multiple championship series and even won one. So why all this love for Harbuagh? 

You asked why people don't view him the same as Meyer. I answered and your response was just to put out wrong info then say things over and over like "he's been to a superbowl." Well yeah lots of guys have been there, doesn't automatically make them good. 

The 49ers had 7 losing seasons and one 8-8 season prior to Harbaugh. They were 6-10 the season before him. They were 13-3 after him. They had 3 straight NFC championship game appearances. 

You have yet to say who is a good fit. Harbaugh is a good fit because he has won in the NFL. He has won with two different QBs. He resurrected the career of Alex Smith. I mentioned this previously and you ignored it. 

Me hating on Jim Leyland? I love Jim Leyland. You're terrible at this. By all means go find the posts of me hating on Jim Leyland. I dare you. 

You have absolutely ridiculous standards. Because a coach lost by 3 points in the Super Bowl means they aren't a good coach? 

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4 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

People want to talk about Kapernick's success under Harbaugh in San Francisco. How much of that was actually Harbaugh and how much was Greg Roman, his OC? This is same Greg Roman that has had top 5 offenses 5 of 8 seasons he has been an OC and has made Lamar Jackson look like a great QB in the process. I get the sense, having watched what Roman did with Jackson in Baltimore as the OC, that it was as much or more Roman's doing in turning Kapernick into a component NFL starter as it was Harbaugh.

So Harbaugh picks good coordinators? How terrible. 

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1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

The 49ers had 7 losing seasons and one 8-8 season prior to Harbaugh. They were 6-10 the season before him.

So seven season is the same as every year ever...you know what perennial means?

I said what I want. Urban. 

And no you don't get credit for "resurrected the career" of a player you benched. 

And who cares that he lost by 3, a loss is a loss. 

For the umteenth time it's not ridiculous standards. It's that I know what Harbaugh can do. And its not enough. Let's try someone else. My goal is not to go 9-7 or to go to the NFC championship game. It's to win superbowls, Harbaugh has shown little evidence that he can do that. As I said why aren't you advocating for Lovie Smith, he won way more games in the NFL and lost a superbowl too? 

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2 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

So seven season is the same as every year ever...you know what perennial means?

I said what I want. Urban. 

And no you don't get credit for "resurrected the career" of a player you benched. 

And who cares that he lost by 3, a loss is a loss. 

For the umteenth time it's not ridiculous standards. It's that I know what Harbaugh can do. And its not enough. Let's try someone else. My goal is not to go 9-7 or to go to the NFC championship game. It's to win superbowls, Harbaugh has shown little evidence that he can do that. As I said why aren't you advocating for Lovie Smith, he won way more games in the NFL and lost a superbowl too? 

I never said it was every year ever. They had a long run of not winning and Harbaugh immediately changed that. 

Whatever, he benched Smith and played Kapernick and went to the Super Bowl so apparently it was the right choice. 

Lovie Smith was given a second chance. Harbaugh deserves another chance. By your ridiculous standards, Andy Reid would have never been hired because he lost the only Super Bowl he coached in. 

Still waiting for more qualified candidates and my imaginary Leyland hating posts.

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6 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

That's teh definition of perennial hauss

Whatever, the 49ers didn't have a winning season for 8 years prior to Harbaugh. Go ahead with your semantics. You ignored everything else. Still waiting on all these Leyland hating posts. 

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23 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

Lovie Smith was given a second chance. Harbaugh deserves another chance. By your ridiculous standards, Andy Reid would have never been hired because he lost the only Super Bowl he coached in. 

 

Yeah I would have not hired Andy Reid. So? He hadn't been able to get over the hump. Then he did good for him. I'd still would have taken the chance with someone else. He is one of the few retreads who came out and overcame thier warts. Want me to list all the ones that didn't?

And WTF does more qualified mean? A superbowl apperance and more career wins? Then Lovie Smith. Does it mean less crappy in college. Than ubran meyer. Does it mean developed more NFL talent? Then Ferentz. Does it mean not as friggin weird? Than Daboll. 

I don't have time to weed through 983 pages of your posts, its mostly political, to find a lone anti-Leyland post. They are there. And even if you claim they aren't that's fine I'll admit I'm wrong there possibly. 

But, everybody grew tired of Leyland.  Even me, and **** my name is KeepLeyland2. But, that's the point. That even guys who win and make it deep in the playoffs aren't unflappable. Yet, your treating Harbaugh like he has no warts. That he made a Superbowl so he is this perfect fit. He added a lot more to his resume in the last year and none of it has helped. 

You have yet to provide one thing Harbaugh has done well other than the Superbowl apperance. You brought up Alex Smith, but didn't point out that Harbaugh benched him. You ignored all the michigan year, teh losing to the rivals, the lack of nfl development, the lack of championships. etc. 

 

Edit to add: earlier you asked who has had more NFL success. You do realize that all coaches, even the great ones, have to start somewhere. If you just hire the guys with NFL success you can never find a great coach. That's what I want, I doubt Harbaugh is that given all the things I laid out. That's is my point and my only point. He has shown me what he can do and 9-7 is not what I want. The other guys, while they might have fewer NFL career wins now, there is a possiblity they will get me to the Lombardi trophy. 

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2 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

Yeah I would have not hired Andy Reid. So? He hadn't been able to get over the hump. Then he did good for him. I'd still would have taken the chance with someone else. He is one of the few retreads who came out and overcame thier warts. Want me to list all the ones that didn't?

And WTF does more qualified mean? A superbowl apperance and more career wins? Then Lovie Smith. Does it mean less crappy in college. Than ubran meyer. Does it mean developed more NFL talent? Then Ferentz. Does it mean not as friggin weird? Than Daboll. 

I don't have time to weed through 983 pages of your posts, its mostly political, to find a lone anti-Leyland post. They are there. They are there for all of us. We all grew tired/questioned. Even me, and **** my name is KeepLeyland2. But, that's the point. That even guys who win and make it deep in the playoffs aren't unflappable. Yet, your treating Harbaugh like he has no warts. That he made a Superbowl so he is this perfect fit. He added a lot more to his resume in the last year and none of it has helped. 

More retreads than non-retreads have won Super Bowls in the past decade plus have won Super Bowls such as Bill Belichick, Andy Ried, Pete Carroll, Gary Kubiak, Tom Coughlin. Just as equally, I can provide you a long list of non-retread coaches who failed. Matt Patricia for one. Lovie Smith has a .506 winning percentage in the NFL. Jim Harbaugh has a .695 winning percentage. Even removing Smith's term with Tampa, his winning percentage was .563. Significantly lower than Harbaugh. Harbaugh averaged 11 wins per season. Lovie Smith averaged 9 in Chicago. 

You said there were plenty of posts of me hating on Jim Leyland. Either that statement was made out of ignorance or a complete fabrication. If we held managers to your standards, Florida would have never hired Leyland after losing three straight NLCS. Leyland was also a failure in Detroit having gone 1-8 in World Series. (Note this is sarcasm in case you want to accuse me of Leyland hate in the future). 

In the college game, recruiting is a big part of your success. That is not a factor in the NFL. Harbaugh has won in the NFL. 

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Harbaugh has shown you what he can and 9-7 is not what you want but he has a .695 winning percentage in the NFL which is 11 wins per year. He had one season where he won less than 11 games going 13-3, 11-4-1, and 12-4 but someone he is a 9-7 coach. 

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Making the Super Bowl is not enough to hire an NFL coach, but winning the Rose Bowl, now THAT'S an NFL resume.

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1 hour ago, Buddha said:

Making the Super Bowl is not enough to hire an NFL coach, but winning the Rose Bowl, now THAT'S an NFL resume.

What about an Orange Bowl? Harbaugh led Stanford to their first BCS bowl win in history. 

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Let me tie up keepyland's argument in a bow: 

Quote

Every coaching candidate sucks.

Belichick: retread

Saban: flame out

Reid: lucked out with a good QB

Ditka, Dungy: one good year, but what else did they do?

Marv Levy: never won it

Robert Saleh, Eric Bienemy, Brian Daboll, Josh McDaniels: never will

Now leave me alone while I shout into my crystal ball.

Did I get that about right?

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1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

What about an Orange Bowl? Harbaugh led Stanford to their first BCS bowl win in history. 

yeah but stanford had one loss that year so harbaugh obviously sucks.

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if youre hiring a guy to turn your team around quickly, you could do a lot worse than jim harbaugh.  that appears to be what he's really good at.

but he also seems to burn himself - and everyone else - out quickly.  he left san jose and stanford after quick turnarounds.  after he turned the niners into a super bowl team, it fell apart in one year and he alienated people and was gone.

he turned michigan around quickly but has seemingly lost his drive and it sounds like he's soured of recruiting, alienating a lot of high school coaches and losing a lot of talent.  i think he loses focus after a few years.

but he's been successful everywhere he's been.  that's not really debateable unless your standard for success is you can never lose a game.

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23 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

The 49ers had 7 losing seasons and one 8-8 season prior to Harbaugh. They were 6-10 the season before him. They were 13-3 after him. They had 3 straight NFC championship game appearances. 

You have yet to say who is a good fit. Harbaugh is a good fit because he has won in the NFL. He has won with two different QBs. He resurrected the career of Alex Smith. I mentioned this previously and you ignored it. 

Me hating on Jim Leyland? I love Jim Leyland. You're terrible at this. By all means go find the posts of me hating on Jim Leyland. I dare you. 

You have absolutely ridiculous standards. Because a coach lost by 3 points in the Super Bowl means they aren't a good coach? 

Bill Belichick has lost three Super Bowls.  With a track record like that, it's hard to believe he still has a job.

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