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21 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Sheila Ford Hamp just said Matt Patricia smells funny............not a bad smell, just a strange one. 

 

Sheila Ford Hamp just said that she has been having trouble finding new clothes.  The making of the sweatshirt that Patricia wore on Thursday created a worldwide fabric shortage.

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1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

What makes Tony Dungy qualified for that roll? He has no executive experience at any level. If we are concerned about turning over the franchise to a rookie GM, why would we turn it over to a rookie executive with no experience?

Seriously? I did not say they should drop everything and hire Tony Dungy, damn the torpedoes. I said they should create an executive level position for a person with extensive football experience, a person of the stature of Tony Dungy — someone who has been in charge of a winning program, and who has remained active and connected in the NFL. In another post I mentioned Ozzie Newsome, though he would likely never do it. There are undoubtedly others who fit this profile. But the Fords are not the Rooneys. They need all the help they can get. 

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Steelers GM Kevin Colbert was in the Lions front office before becoming a success in Pittsburgh. Maybe there is some ex Lions scout out there who can finally turn this thing around.

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The biggest quality for the next GM is to trace part of their family bloodline directly to Bobby Layne.   It’s the only way to end the curse.  

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16 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Steelers GM Kevin Colbert was in the Lions front office before becoming a success in Pittsburgh. Maybe there is some ex Lions scout out there who can finally turn this thing around.

I keep hearing his name.   Can you imagine what it would take to move from a beloved, blessed, NFL-approved franchise for the Siberia of Detroit?

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I love the move of making Bevell the interim. It all but assures the tank can continue.  I feel good about being back in the top 5 again. 

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9 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

I love the move of making Bevell the interim. It all but assures the tank can continue.  I feel good about being back in the top 5 again. 

This assumes that Bevell has been in charge of his game plan, rather than Patricia. 

If I was a betting man, I’d wager the rocket scientist was forcing the three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust mentality on the offense. 

And now that Bevell is coaching for his job — and (he hopes) possibly for a promotion — I suspect he will start to uncork it. 

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21 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

I love the move of making Bevell the interim. It all but assures the tank can continue.  I feel good about being back in the top 5 again. 

I imagine we'll see a rash of IR moves this week as well

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Had to be done.

And let's be honest, none of us know any good GM candidates.  But that doesn't stop me from speculating!  A few things should be obvious by now:

First rule: nobody from New England.

Second rule: nobody who has never been in a front office and has only been on television.

Third rule: don't ask Ernie Accorsi.

It's going to be a long, long rebuild, might even be a bigger project than the 0-16 team.  At least that team was getting the #1 pick in the draft.  This team has very little to build on, especially on defense.

But rebuilds are fun!  It was fun to watch the Lions climb their way to become a decent team in 2011.  You could tell in 2010 that the foundation was there.  That took two years after 0-16.  This might take at least as long.

 

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2 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Me too and it hurts to say that. I was certain Harbaugh world succeed. I did not have the same certainty about the New England boys 

I don't think Harbaugh is going anywhere.  They'll write this season off as a fluke and go right back to being 9-3 and getting destroyed by Ohio State next season.

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2 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

I know it won't be popular because Bevell isn't the hip and trendy flavor of the month coordinator, but I would be willing to give him a shot if the team responds well to him. 

For God's sake, why?  

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10 minutes ago, Buddha said:

Had to be done.

And let's be honest, none of us know any good GM candidates.  But that doesn't stop me from speculating!  A few things should be obvious by now:

First rule: nobody from New England.

Second rule: nobody who has never been in a front office and has only been on television.

Third rule: don't ask Ernie Accorsi.

It's going to be a long, long rebuild, might even be a bigger project than the 0-16 team.  At least that team was getting the #1 pick in the draft.  This team has very little to build on, especially on defense.

But rebuilds are fun!  It was fun to watch the Lions climb their way to become a decent team in 2011.  You could tell in 2010 that the foundation was there.  That took two years after 0-16.  This might take at least as long.

 

Id normally agree with this but the Mayock/Gruden combo has been way better than I could’ve ever imagined and they have Derek Carr at QB.  It’s not out of the realm that TV guys could work.   John Lynch has also done a great job in SF.   I wouldn’t count anything out at this point. 
 

Well maybe a Nick Cesario/Josh McDaniels combo is out. 

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Meh.  No reason to believe that the next HC/GM hire will be any better than the previous ones.  

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10 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Why not? I mean, I know he not Saleh who led one good defense

But why?  I mean, I know you have to be a contrarian and if everyone likes Saleh you have to come here and tell us all how he sucks, but let's toss that aside for a second and take your idea at face value.

WHY Darrell Bevell?  He's never been a head coach, he's not exactly "innovative", and he hasn't been very successful here.  Most of his career, he's been in charge of middling offenses with a couple good seasons when he has a bell cow running back to give the ball to 30 times a game.  When he left Seattle, Russell Wilson turned into a top 5 NFL QB.  When he came here, Stafford had half of an excellent season, one decent season, and one (so far) below average season.

What about Bevell screams head coaching candidate?

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17 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Id normally agree with this but the Mayock/Gruden combo has been way better than I could’ve ever imagined and they have Derek Carr at QB.  It’s not out of the realm that TV guys could work.   John Lynch has also done a great job in SF.   I wouldn’t count anything out at this point. 
 

Well maybe a Nick Cesario/Josh McDaniels combo is out. 

Lol, as usual the LIONS hire the straight from the booth guy who turns out to be the worst GM in history while other teams have done just fine with it.  Such is our lot in life.

 

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12 minutes ago, Kacie said:

Meh.  No reason to believe that the next HC/GM hire will be any better than the previous ones.  

Hope is all we have as Lions fans. This gives us hope now because the current regime was not only going nowhere, they were actually going in reverse.

I think the only two questions I would ask in the next GM interview are "What are your thoughts on Stafford?" and "How quickly would you like to be fired if you take a TE in the 1st round"? 

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Just now, Buddha said:

But why?  I mean, I know you have to be a contrarian and if everyone likes Saleh you have to come here and tell us all how he sucks, but let's toss that aside for a second and take your idea at face value.

WHY Darrell Bevell?  He's never been a head coach, he's not exactly "innovative", and he hasn't been very successful here.  Most of his career, he's been in charge of middling offenses with a couple good seasons when he has a bell cow running back to give the ball to 30 times a game.  When he left Seattle, Russell Wilson turned into a top 5 NFL QB.  When he came here, Stafford had half of an excellent season, one decent season, and one (so far) below average season.

What about Bevell screams head coaching candidate?

I know you always have to complain about what I post here, but he's largely credited with scouting and developing Russell Wilson, got the best year of his career out of an aging Brett Favre, and had Stafford on pace for the best season of his career. You missed the second half of what I posted. If the Lions respond well under Bevell, why not? He's got five games to audition. If they go 4-1 and play well, he should be considered. His ability to scout and develop young QBs and get the most out of veteran QBs screams coaching material. 

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Just now, Motown Bombers said:

I know you always have to complain about what I post here, but he's largely credited with scouting and developing Russell Wilson, got the best year of his career out of an aging Brett Favre, and had Stafford on pace for the best season of his career. You missed the second half of what I posted. If the Lions respond well under Bevell, why not? He's got five games to audition. If they go 4-1 and play well, he should be considered. His ability to scout and develop young QBs and get the most out of veteran QBs screams coaching material. 

Oh come now, most of the time I ignore what you post.  Lol.  :)

Anyhoo, as to Bevell, there are plenty of people who "credit" him with holding Russell Wilson back, which is kind of evident when you see that when he left Wilson played much much better.  He's had three years with Stafford, one really good half season, and two middling seasons.  So why should we hire him to be the head coach because of one half of a good season with a starting QB they're likely to move on from?

Saying Bevell is a great example of getting the most out of veteran QBs ignores most of his career to focus on one season with a HOF QB who had the best RB in the league on his team (and the next year Favre was total **** with Bevell and the Vikings went 6-10), and one half season with Stafford.  Like I said, what is obvious about Bevell's career as an OC is that has done well when he has had a bell cow running back in their prime (Marshawn Lynch and Adrian Peterson), and hasn't done very well without that (and a lot of years he wasn't that good WITH that).

There's probably a reason he's not mentioned prominently as a head coaching candidate.  He either doesn't want to do it, or he's been around the league long enough that everyone knows it's not his bag and he'd rather just be coaching offense.  Maybe that's changed and now he wants it?  Who knows?

But he wouldn't be at the top of my list of people to interview.

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11 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Hopefully the next GM doesn't draft a first round TE after Hockenson flops.

It's hard to separate Quinn and Patricia as to who was responsible more for the failure of the team.  Patricia hasn't been very good, but it's not like Quinn was lighting it up with great drafts and free agent classes either.

Football is a tough business to be in.  If Stafford doesn't get hurt last year, do they go .500 and sniff the playoffs in December?  If Johnson doesn't fumble against KC and instead scores a TD do the Lions win that game and change their season?  Would that change the narrative?  If Swift holds on to that ball against Chicago does that change things?  If Flowers doesn't get hurt is that enough to get at least SOME pressure on the QB and avoid Watson or (god forbid) XFL QBs from tearing up the secondary?

I tend to think not considering just how bad they've been on defense.  But is that scheme or talent?  Oruwariye is a 5th round pick and is doing well for a 5th round pick, but speed has never been his game.  Trufant is old.  Okudah is young.  Coleman is...whatever he is.  The linebackers are some of the worst in the league.  Jalani Tavai is so bad at LB they moved him to defensive end.  They can't find a DE better than Jalani Tavai?

It's depressing.  But now it's over.  We have something to look forward to in this cold, dark February.  The little light of hope that maybe this time the Lions will finally make the right hire.  It's a tiny light, but it's there.

Come on Sheila, don't screw this up for us.

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2 minutes ago, Buddha said:

Oh come now, most of the time I ignore what you post.  Lol.  :)

Anyhoo, as to Bevell, there are plenty of people who "credit" him with holding Russell Wilson back, which is kind of evident when you see that when he left Wilson played much much better.  He's had three years with Stafford, one really good half season, and two middling seasons.  So why should we hire him to be the head coach because of one half of a good season with a starting QB they're likely to move on from?

Saying Bevell is a great example of getting the most out of veteran QBs ignores most of his career to focus on one season with a HOF QB who had the best RB in the league on his team (and the next year Favre was total **** with Bevell and the Vikings went 6-10), and one half season with Stafford.  Like I said, what is obvious about Bevell's career as an OC is that has done well when he has had a bell cow running back in their prime (Marshawn Lynch and Adrian Peterson), and hasn't done very well without that (and a lot of years he wasn't that good WITH that).

There's probably a reason he's not mentioned prominently as a head coaching candidate.  He either doesn't want to do it, or he's been around the league long enough that everyone knows it's not his bag and he'd rather just be coaching offense.  Maybe that's changed and now he wants it?  Who knows?

But he wouldn't be at the top of my list of people to interview.

First, he hasn't had three years with Stafford. This is only his second year on the team and barely has a full season with Stafford healthy. 

Russell Wilson's career high in pass attempts came under Bevell. He rode Marshawn Lynch and why not? They were winning. When Lynch left, he turned Wilson loose who set his career high for passing attempts under Bevell. Wilson is just continuing what he was doing in his post Lynch career. 

That hall of fame QB had his best season under Bevell. Favre wasn't just a game manager. He had over 500 pass attempts, 33 TDs and a career high in completion percentage and QB rating. The next season, Favre got injured and his career was over. 

Maybe he doesn't want to be a head coach. If he does, I would consider him. He's got five games to prove his worth. 

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