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3 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

the other thing with Meyer is that the cyst in his head is not going to away. If it starts to incapacitate him if he starts to coach again it could be a short ride.

To be fair, we'd probably at least the understand some of the headscratching decisions made.

Did all the other coaches in the last 60 years have cysts too?

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50 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I think it's pretty likely Miami trades back, especially if the Jets end up keeping Darnold over selecting Fields.

The problem with Miami trading back is that it requires someone to move up. The only teams possible are Atlanta and Detroit and are they gonna give up the ammo for a backup? 

Does Miami, which already has 9000832893912312 picks in upcoming drafts, want to move back to 9 or 10 and lose out on the top WR and tackle for even mroe picks? 

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9 hours ago, Keepleyland2 said:

The problem with Miami trading back is that it requires someone to move up. The only teams possible are Atlanta and Detroit and are they gonna give up the ammo for a backup? 

Does Miami, which already has 9000832893912312 picks in upcoming drafts, want to move back to 9 or 10 and lose out on the top WR and tackle for even mroe picks? 

I think they may do what Detroit should have done last year, and trade back even if the haul they get isn't equitable in points. That could change if they fall in love with Penei or the top wideout on their board, but having too many picks is a luxury not a problem.

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2 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I think they may do what Detroit should have done last year, and trade back even if the haul they get isn't equitable in points. That could change if they fall in love with Penei or the top wideout on their board, but having too many picks is a luxury not a problem.

i dont think anyone offered detroit anything to trade back last year.

the lions wont take penei with all their needs on defense.  parsons or rousseau are more likely to be the pick if theyre in the top 5 (or a wide out).

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the most lions thing in the world will be for them to blow a chance to draft top 5 by beating the vikings on sunday.

watch them win and end up picking 13th.

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46 minutes ago, Buddha said:

the most lions thing in the world will be for them to blow a chance to draft top 5 by beating the vikings on sunday.

watch them win and end up picking 13th.

At the end of the 2010 season they went on a devastating 4 game win streak and went from picking 5th and drafting Patrick Peterson to picking 13th and drafting Nick Fairley. Sometimes losing is winning, because I'd rather have had Peterson on this team the last decade than Nick Fairley. I'm sure they will try their best to SOL it up and beat the Vikings. They should bench Stafford and start Chase Daniel to ensure a lose, but they likely won't. Watch, we start Stafford and the Vikings start their backup LOL.

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18 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

At the end of the 2010 season they went on a devastating 4 game win streak and went from picking 5th and drafting Patrick Peterson to picking 13th and drafting Nick Fairley. Sometimes losing is winning, because I'd rather have had Peterson on this team the last decade than Nick Fairley. I'm sure they will try their best to SOL it up and beat the Vikings. They should bench Stafford and start Chase Daniel to ensure a lose, but they likely won't. Watch, we start Stafford and the Vikings start their backup LOL.

Instead, they could have drafted Cam Jordan who was available and had one of the better pass rushers for the past decade and didn't even have to lose to draft him. If they chose to lose for a draft pick, they probably don't make the jump to 10-6 and the playoffs. 

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Why wouldn't they make the jump to 10-6 the next season if they had lost out? Shaun Hill was the starting QB for those 4 games, so it wasn't like they had offensive continuity carrying over.

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3 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Why wouldn't they make the jump to 10-6 the next season if they had lost out? Shaun Hill was the starting QB for those 4 games, so it wasn't like they had offensive continuity carrying over.

Why would they draft Patrick Peterson at 5th if they got the pick at 13th wrong? I would rather build a winning culture than lose for a lottery ticket. Frankly, I would rather have Jordan than Peterson. Imagine that line with Suh and Jordan. Fairly was originally projected to be a top 5 pick. Whose to say the Lions still don't draft him 5th?

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The Lions also could have drafted Richard Sherman anywhere in the 3rd or 4th round if they didn't trade their picks for LeShoure. The Lions could came out of that draft with a Pro Bowl CB and pass rusher and didn't need to lose a game for draft picks. In fact, they could have won more games and still drafted those players. 

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50 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Why would they draft Patrick Peterson at 5th if they got the pick at 13th wrong? I would rather build a winning culture than lose for a lottery ticket. Frankly, I would rather have Jordan than Peterson. Imagine that line with Suh and Jordan. Fairly was originally projected to be a top 5 pick. Whose to say the Lions still don't draft him 5th?

Reports were that Mayhew wanted Peterson at the time and was looking to trade up to get him.

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2014/4/15/5613692/lions-trade-patrick-peterson-2011-nfl-draft

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2 hours ago, Buddha said:

i dont think anyone offered detroit anything to trade back last year.

the lions wont take penei with all their needs on defense.  parsons or rousseau are more likely to be the pick if theyre in the top 5 (or a wide out).

I was referring to the Dolphins when I mentioned Penei and the top WR. The phone works both ways as far as trades go, but considering I doubtful Quinn would have hit on whatever little he picked up anyway, it’s water under the bridge at this point however you slice it.

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4 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

, but having too many picks is a luxury not a problem.

Except when you don't have enough pro bowl players. Nobody has ever won a superbowl title with a bunch of really good starters. 

That's what I'm getting at. Why would Miami trade why far back and get a lesser player to get more picks when they already have a bajillion? At some point you need really good players too, and those are often found high in the draft

Too many fans fall in love with this idea of trading back. The numbers show the team that picks the higest in trade back deals, often ends up the winner of the deal. 

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23 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I guess Washington is a potential trading partner for Stafford if the Lions so choose. 

Odd story. The stories out of Washington in the off season was that he was getting his work in, had lost weight and more or less done what he was supposed to do (ie. had a disciplined off season) then more recently that he was undisciplined with lousy work and study habits - and obviously the outside partying. Which is the real guy? Usually in cases like this I expect to eventually hear that there is a substance abuse issue (eg Charles Rogers, Ryan Leaf), maybe it just hasn't come out yet in Haskins case.  If the word around the league is that the kid is sober I wouldn't expect it to be long before someone picks him up.

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3 hours ago, Buddha said:

the lions wont take penei with all their needs on defense.  parsons or rousseau are more likely to be the pick if theyre in the top 5 (or a wide out).

Why wouldn't they? They had gaping defensive holes in 2018 and took a Tight End instead. This is the organization that tries to build a car by getting luxury items like Sirius radio and heated leather seats first instead of an engine or wheels and then wonders why it doesn't run.

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1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

Shame the Lions didn't draft him to replace Stafford. 

Shame the Skins didn’t draft Tua or Herbert last year and left Chase Young for the Lions.   

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Unless he went full Rae Carruth and killed someone or pulled a Gilbert Arenas and brought a gun into the locker room what could he have done to get the organization to give up on a top 20 pick so soon? Obviously Haskins is a bust at this point. That said, I have to imagine he ends up somewhere quickly (Pittsburgh and New England come to mind) and someone tries to rehab his career. The talent still seems to be there but only if his mind gets right.

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31 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Why wouldn't they? They had gaping defensive holes in 2018 and took a Tight End instead. This is the organization that tries to build a car by getting luxury items like Sirius radio and heated leather seats first instead of an engine or wheels and then wonders why it doesn't run.

They should have drafted the complete draft bust instead of a TE. 

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5 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

They should have drafted the complete draft bust instead of a TE. 

Who said Devin Bush, Montez Sweat, and Brian Burns are busts?

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1 hour ago, Gehringer_2 said:

that's still a 'Wow"

Is it? I figured the guy was toast the moment Rivera benched him for a "pick your name out of a hat" QB (Rivera was clearly not a fan) and this was before all the off the field drama. I'm surprised it took them this long to cut him tbh.

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1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

Shame the Lions didn't draft him to replace Stafford. 

Yes, lets never draft a QB again because there have been some busts in the past.

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9 minutes ago, NYLion said:

Yes, lets never draft a QB again because there have been some busts in the past.

I agree. When you have a QB there's no need to draft another one. 

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