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1 hour ago, cruzer1 said:

He was great last year. Struggling now because he's not getting help, and he's injured. He has plenty of time left.

I see some notable regressions in his game, namely his mobility which was never great to begin with but he's starting to get that "old man" look to him in the pocket that Brees and Brady now have.

In any event, I think he has a few good years left in him but he's too old to lead a rebuild and with only two years left on his contract, it would be wise to get some value for him sometime in the next year and start fresh for the sake of him and the team (especially for his sake). 

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I hope the people in Allen Park are not suffering too much with the power failure. There must be one as there is no other conceivable reason there has been no news yet about the Lions front office shake-up, is there?

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Forget anyone getting fired today.  There wasn’t so much as a peep from Sheila or anyone with the Lions.  There’s not a care in the world for all of the noise from their supporters or the on field performance of the last 6 days.  I guess we shouldn’t be surprised.    

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Other than Jerry Jones and maybe a couple others do owners generally come out and comment on stuff during the season?   There's probably a half dozen teams right now that have fanbases that want their coaches and GMs gone just as much as we do but I don't know of any of their owners coming out and commenting about it.  They will wait till black Monday and clear house then.     

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1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said:

Other than Jerry Jones and maybe a couple others do owners generally come out and comment on stuff during the season?   There's probably a half dozen teams right now that have fanbases that want their coaches and GMs gone just as much as we do but I don't know of any of their owners coming out and commenting about it.  They will wait till black Monday and clear house then.     

While I don't see much of any advantage in changing a coach mid-season, everyday a new GM has on the job before the season ends is time he can put to good use. No reason to wait if Quinn has to go.

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31 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

While I don't see much of any advantage in changing a coach mid-season, everyday a new GM has on the job before the season ends is time he can put to good use. No reason to wait if Quinn has to go.

Unless they planned on hiring their permanent GM right now I don't see much benefit in it, particularly with all the chaos going on in the world right now.    Just let them play out the year and fire them then and do a thorough research of potential GMs and Coaches when you can interview them all and do a proper evaluation of all.     

 

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3 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

Unless they planned on hiring their permanent GM right now I don't see much benefit in it, particularly with all the chaos going on in the world right now.  

Appease the fanbase, create hope and excitement heading into next year. 

Perception is reality a lot of times. The longer it goes the more risk you have of people turning away. 

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4 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

Appease the fanbase, create hope and excitement heading into next year. 

Perception is reality a lot of times. The longer it goes the more risk you have of people turning away. 

True but if they fired him at this point they likely wouldn't be able to hire somebody from another organization instead it would just go to somebody within to be the interim.  So those same fans would complain about that and say it's another Mayhew situation all over again.    

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8 hours ago, Hongbit said:

Once a Ford, always a Ford. 

I cannot fathom why anybody would have even the slightest confidence in Sheila.

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as much as we all want heads to roll, isnt the best outcome for the lions long term to keep patricia?

its better for the lions to lose.  keeping patricia will ensure that happens.

lose all the games.

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13 minutes ago, sabretooth said:

I cannot fathom why anybody would have even the slightest confidence in Sheila.

I get the fans fear due to the decades of how the team was handled under the Ford's but I think since Martha took over she has done things differently.  She fired Mayhew almost right away, hired a search firm to get the best candidate, fired Caldwell cause as good as Caldwell was she saw that there was a ceiling with him.

She then came out and gave a public ultimatum, which is something that they never did before.    Yes they could have fired them both before the season but I think it was fair to give them 1 more season because there were a ton of injuries last year and before all the injuries their advanced numbers(like DVOA) showed they were a playoff caliber team.   

So she decided to give them one last season to see if Quinn's draft picks took a step forward and if Patricia and company can do anything with a healthy squad.   They obviously failed big time and I think will face the consequences at the end of the year.

People act like this is Patricia's 5th season or something, it is only his third and the 2nd was marred by injuries.  I think giving him 2 full seasons healthy seasons before firing him is fair,  particularly considering the team didn't have a ton of talent to begin with.    

Basically my faith in Sheila is based on how Martha has handled the team since taking over and the fact that she strikes me as a competitive person based off her interviews.  I just think she hasn't fired them yet cause she doesn't see the benefit in it.  Let them finish out the year and fire them then like virtually every other organization does.   

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IIRC, Mariucci got fired on Monday after Thanksgiving.

And even if the plans were all drawn up for a firing before Thanksgiving, that would require more than just the one phone call. Just because it didn’t happen today doesn’t mean it won’t. 

I want Patricia fired (never wanted him hired in the first place) but I’m more or less indifferent as to whether that happens now or later. I have a slight preference to seeing him fired now, partly because I’m just sick of seeing him, and partly because I would like to see what Bevell can do with this offensive personnel without Patricia meddling in the game plans.

Also, I don’t see us losing enough to pick up Lawrence. If Quinn’s roster ends up being irreparably bad next season, that paves the way for a QB transition. So either they can pick a QB this year and let him sit next year, or they can pick one next year and throw him into the fire in 2022. 

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50 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

True but if they fired him at this point they likely wouldn't be able to hire somebody from another organization instead it would just go to somebody within to be the interim.  So those same fans would complain about that and say it's another Mayhew situation all over again.    

True, you don't fire someone unless you are ready to make a hire. Can they really not be ready?

(It's the Lions so that question is rhetorical of course)

 

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Another draw back of firing at this point(particularly the Head Coach) is that how ever the team finishes the season that HC will probably get too much credit or too much blame.  If the Lions fluke their way into finishing 4-1 or even 3-2 then management and fans may put the credit on the interim coach even though he likely had little to do with it. 

On the flip side if they finish 0-5 that coach will basically be written off and not given a chance even though again he probably didn't have much of a chance.  By that point he isn't playing with "his players" and those players aren't going to magically change in 5 weeks without him leading the offseason workouts, game planning etc.  

I don't want an interim coach getting a job long term based off of 5 weeks of meaningless football.  

 

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50 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

IIRC, Mariucci got fired on Monday after Thanksgiving.

 

Mooch was in his 3rd year and 4-7 after the Thanksgiving game as well.  His overall record with Detroit at that time  15-28,  Patricia is 13-29-1.

 

But I remember they even screwed that up because they did not let Dick Jauron know and when they said "you're the Interim Head Coach" he said not without a big raise, which they had to give him because they had nobody else.  They didn't have a ready replacement so they had to cough up more money.     

 

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12 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Mooch was in his 3rd year and 4-7 after the Thanksgiving game as well.  His overall record with Detroit at that time  15-28,  Patricia is 13-29-1.

 

But I remember they even screwed that up because they did not let Dick Jauron know and when they said "you're the Interim Head Coach" he said not without a big raise, which they had to give him because they had nobody else.  They didn't have a ready replacement so they had to cough up more money.     

 

Patricia has a worse record... with Stafford at QB rather than Joey Harrington. 

This should put into perspective how bad Patricia is. 

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2 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

Unless they planned on hiring their permanent GM right now I don't see much benefit in it, particularly with all the chaos going on in the world right now.    Just let them play out the year and fire them then and do a thorough research of potential GMs and Coaches when you can interview them all and do a proper evaluation of all.     

 

Send a message that losing won't be tolerated especially in the fashion they did the last few games when the team mailed it in. Put your stamp on the team as a new owner (although she really isn't new), rid of the distraction that is Quinntricia's job status, rid of the toxic culture this guy has created for the sake of young player development.

I don't see what they have to gain by letting this lame duck coach finish out the season outside of tanking for a higher pick. Just get it done with now instead of letting the black cloud hang over the team for the rest of the season. Lots of young players on this team and these next 5 games are still key development games even though there aren't playoffs to play for.

In any event, I thought today had to be the day for firings. If it didn't happen after arguably the worst back to back performances in Lions history then it won't happen until the end of the season if even then. Gutless organization.

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1 minute ago, NYLion said:

Send a message that losing won't be tolerated especially in the fashion they did the last few games when the team mailed it in. Put your stamp on the team as a new owner (although she really isn't new), rid of the distraction that is Quinntricia's job status, rid of the toxic culture this guy has created for the sake of young player development.

I don't see what they have to gain by letting this lame duck coach finish out the season outside of tanking for a higher pick. Just get it done with now instead of letting the black cloud hang over the team for the rest of the season.

In any event, I thought today had to be the day for firings. If it didn't happen after arguably the worst back to back performances in Lions history then it won't happen until the end of the season if even then. Gutless organization.

Teams just don't fire guys at this point in the season in the NFL.  It's a rarity.   There is little benefit to changing regimes this late in the season that's why teams rarely do it.     

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For the record I would be fine with them all getting canned now but I just don't think it would make much of a difference and I also don't think it means that the org doesn't care or isn't going to fire them at the end of the season.   

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6 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

Teams just don't fire guys at this point in the season in the NFL.  It's a rarity.   There is little benefit to changing regimes this late in the season that's why teams rarely do it.     

Happened just this season with Bill O'Brien who btw was far FAR FAR more successful than Patricia. 

I don't care that other teams don't usually do it. Most other teams aren't as futile as the Lions, most other teams don't mail in games like the Lions did the last two, most coaches aren't as unsuccessful as Patricia almost 3 seasons into their tenure especially with a top 10 QB handed to him.

For the reasons I stated above, it should be done now. There's zero to be gained by keeping a regime that is probably going to be fired anyway. The fanbase is pissed (an all too loyal fanbase btw), the players have given up and make no mistake, there has been a noticeable dip in their give a **** meter the last few weeks. Why let this continue? Show the fanbase that you care Sheila, it'll be a step towards earning their trust.

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Just now, NYLion said:

Happened just this season with Bill O'Brien who btw was far FAR FAR more successful than Patricia. 

. There's zero to be gained by keeping a regime that is probably going to be fired anyway. 

It's not about being gained, it's about what you could lose if you do so.  If they fire Patricia tomorrow and they replace him with say Bevell.  If the Lions finish 4-1 should Bevell be hired full time?   I wouldn't want him, I would think it was a fluke but fans and other influences may suggest he deserves it so he ends up getting the job.    Or how about if they replace with somebody else and that guy goes 0-5 cause the Lions suck, he would instantly get eliminated from being the next coach even if he may have been the right choice but just failed cause these weren't his players and there wasn't time to adapt them to his system.   

Just let this train wreck finish out and start fresh at the end of the season.   

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