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46 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

In defense of Hayes, Casey isn't doing him any favors by starting him.

PG in the NBA is incredibly difficult to play and most rookies really struggle.  Stars like Young and Ja are fine playing right away, but a guy like Hayes would benefit from some bench time, maybe even some DNP-CD's to just watch and get a feel for things.  Especially this year since he wasn't able to play in summer league or participate in a full training camp.  Obviously going up against the opposing teams 2nd PG would also be beneficial.

Maybe Casey bought into the hype Hayes was ahead of other rookies because he played 3 years of pro ball already.  Clearly that isn't the case.

Casey is essentially giving Hayes bench minutes. Hayes might start games but Rose is the go to point guard right now.

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14 minutes ago, NYLion said:

Casey is essentially giving Hayes bench minutes. Hayes might start games but Rose is the go to point guard right now.

Has little to do with the total minutes played.  More to do with don't throw your bad players on the court against the leagues best and that is what Casey is doing by starting him.  I mean do you want him going up against Steph Curry or Brad Wanamaker? 

Look, 10 years from now the kid will either make it or he wont and if he started his rookie year probably will have almost nothing to do with it.  But if you can make things a little easier for him, I think you do it.

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1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

Has little to do with the total minutes played.  More to do with don't throw your bad players on the court against the leagues best and that is what Casey is doing by starting him.  I mean do you want him going up against Steph Curry or Brad Wanamaker? 

Look, 10 years from now the kid will either make it or he wont and if he started his rookie year probably will have almost nothing to do with it.  But if you can make things a little easier for him, I think you do it.

I guess development plans depend on each rookie.  A 3 or 4 year college kid probably is in better position to adapt to the NBA than a 19 year old foreign kid who is new to the states.

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Just took a look at Antetokounmpo’s resume because I know he has developed over the years.  But, wow, this is his 8th season?  Doesn’t seem like it should be.

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6 minutes ago, Casimir said:

I guess development plans depend on each rookie.  A 3 or 4 year college kid probably is in better position to adapt to the NBA than a 19 year old foreign kid who is new to the states.

FWIW, Hayes played professionally in Europe for 3 years.

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1 minute ago, Deleterious said:

FWIW, Hayes played professionally in Europe for 3 years.

The on court play is one thing.  A change of address involving a different continent in the middle of a once in a century pandemic is a little bit different.

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2 hours ago, Los Gatos said:

I agree about the confidence factor; it's only 4 games in, new to the league and the country, etc. Fair to give him at least 40 games if not the whole season before reading too much into things. It sounds like he's a hard worker and hopefully they have a good personalized coaching/development plan for him.  This scouting report is a good pick-me-up when the on-court isn't real pretty yet:

https://in.nba.com/news/nba-draft-2020-killian-hayes-scouting-report-strengths-weaknesses-and-player-comparison/m71jtfjtighmzh5yepae4tj2

Conversely, I feel Bey (shot) and Stewart (motor) are showing some terrific glimpses.  Weaver wants to control the boards, and with Stewart and some of the FA's, they might be on their way there.

DeAngelo Russell is another guy that took a while to develop.

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4 hours ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

Didn't know he was "that" slow... especially since I don't watch Germany or Eurocup... Yikes.

Still hoping his reaction times pick up somewhat as he learns the league...

Del didn't watch the Eurocup either.  ;)

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5 minutes ago, Casimir said:

The on court play is one thing.  A change of address involving a different continent in the middle of a once in a century pandemic is a little bit different.

He was born in Lakeland and it sounds like he spent a lot of time in the states as a kid.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2847971-killian-hayes-is-coming-to-claim-his-basketball-birthright

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For Killian, basketball was what bridged his two worlds. He'd spend the school year in France playing with kids one or two divisions ahead of his age group. (In France, developmental basketball is divided into two-year increments.) And he'd spend his summers in Florida, learning American slang and American moves in pickup basketball on courts in Lakeland and Orlando.

"I feel like I'm from both places," Killian says. "I try to bring the best of America and the best of France with me when I'm on the court."

 

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He didn't shoot well at all.  But Kuminga looked pretty good today.  Great body, freak athlete, explosive.  

Remember, these guys are playing against pros.  There are a few former NBA guys on the G-League team they are playing.  

 

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I thought Green struggled a bit at the start but got better as the game went on.  

He is crazy fast/quick.  He looks really small though, like he has toothpicks for legs/arms.  Thought he struggled on the ball a bit.  I liked he didn't stand around when he didn't have the ball.  A lot of movement and cutting.

Needs a better haircut.

 

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On 1/12/2021 at 8:46 PM, Deleterious said:

He will be the #1 pick this year.

 

Cunningham is unbelievable and he’s the best player in this draft right now.    I’m not so sure that Evan Mobley won’t be the best player in the NBA in 5 years.  If he can put on weight and develop his outside shot there’s nothing stopping him from being the next Giannis.   

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3 hours ago, Hongbit said:

 

Cunningham is unbelievable and he’s the best player in this draft right now.    I’m not so sure that Evan Mobley won’t be the best player in the NBA in 5 years.  If he can put on weight and develop his outside shot there’s nothing stopping him from being the next Giannis.   

His handle is pretty amazing for a 7 footer and he should end up being a star.  

Such a good year to be a terrible basketball team.  Much better than the previous 10 years Detroit sucked at basketball.

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3 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

His handle is pretty amazing for a 7 footer and he should end up being a star.  

Such a good year to be a terrible basketball team.  Much better than the previous 10 years Detroit sucked at basketball.

Will make it even more devastating when we somehow end up picking outside the top 3.  

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Yeah there's a few potential superstars in this draft like Cunningham, Mobley, Jalen Green and a few others. As long as we don't get screwed in the lottery we should be getting ourselves a premium guy.

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11 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

His handle is pretty amazing for a 7 footer and he should end up being a star.  

Such a good year to be a terrible basketball team.  Much better than the previous 10 years Detroit sucked at basketball.

there will be three or four transcendent players in this year's draft.

so be ready for detroit to pick 5th.

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