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17 minutes ago, Shelton said:

Just two easy wins away from 6-5 after thanksgiving and heading into the second bears game. Dare I say 7-5 is in the cards?

easy wins.  lol.

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18 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Theo Epstein is leaving the Cubs. 

Sheila Ford should at least give him a call.   

It's about hiring the right people, not about being a baseball guy or football guy.  

To do what? Be a president? Silly.

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From what little speculation I’ve read Theo seems to be looking for a share of ownership somewhere. Think the Ford’s would be willing to hand over a chunk?

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1 hour ago, cruzer1 said:

To do what? Be a president? Silly.

why?  he's proven to be an effective executive who has led multiple sports organizations to the top of their industry.

the lions current team president is a banker who is a friend to the Ford family.  that's literally his only qualification for the job.

i'll take the guy with the harvard business degree who has led two sad sack franchises to championships than ron freaking wood.  

theo wouldnt pick the players, he would lead the organization, put a set of principles in place to guide management, and then hire a general manager to oversee implementing those goals.  

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The Cleveland Browns hired a non-football, analytics, baseball, moneyball guy in Paul DePodesta (the dude Jonah Hill played in Moneyball) to run their franchise and it has thus far not worked out. Since DePodesta has gotten there they have gone through 3 GM's (Sashi Brown, John Dorsey, and now Andrew Berry). Since DePodesta got there they have also gone through 4 Head Coaches in Hue Jackson, Greg Williams, Freddy Kitchens, and now Kevin Stefanski. They went 0-16 his first year, 7-8-1, 6-10 and are currently 6-3. They have no playoff appearances and have a dysfunctional roster that many (myself included) pegged as a surefire playoff team last season but imploded. Their two best players are total basket cases. OBJ is a locker room problem by all accounts and shows up only when he wants to and Myles Garrett is the new Vontez Burfict, trying to injure people by swinging his helmet as a weapon.

I understand the appeal of Theo and he may not fail where DePodesta has. That said, I want a football person as Team President and then I want that person, along with an NFL Advisor, to help us pick the next GM.

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24 minutes ago, Buddha said:

why?  he's proven to be an effective executive who has led multiple sports organizations to the top of their industry.

the lions current team president is a banker who is a friend to the Ford family.  that's literally his only qualification for the job.

i'll take the guy with the harvard business degree who has led two sad sack franchises to championships than ron freaking wood.  

theo wouldnt pick the players, he would lead the organization, put a set of principles in place to guide management, and then hire a general manager to oversee implementing those goals.  

Then what does he do?

I think he’s probably overqualified to be a “hands off” team president type, and under qualified to be a hands off president/GM type. 
 

Also, it seems like from everything he has said he is interested in staying in baseball, and he won’t have a shortage of opportunities there. 
 

That said, I would also like to replace ron wood with someone else, Harvard business degree or not. Any Ivy League business degree would be ok (except Dartmouth).

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1 hour ago, Buddha said:

easy wins.  lol.

They’ve had four easy win already, what’s another two?

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1 hour ago, Shelton said:

Then what does he do?

I think he’s probably overqualified to be a “hands off” team president type, and under qualified to be a hands off president/GM type. 
 

Also, it seems like from everything he has said he is interested in staying in baseball, and he won’t have a shortage of opportunities there. 
 

That said, I would also like to replace ron wood with someone else, Harvard business degree or not. Any Ivy League business degree would be ok (except Dartmouth).

the same thing he does for the cubs: put the process into place and then hire the people to make those processes work.

he's not out scouting or developing players, he's putting the organizational processes into place and hiring the right people to develop them (in theory).  plus he's involved in the business aspect (like creating the wrigley renovation and developing the area around the stadium - like they did in boston when he was there.

the lions are quite behind the curve of the league, in my uneducated opinion.  the tigers were too but are now trying to catch up.  the best way for the lions to catch up would be to hire someone who knows how to use modern management techniques and applying them to sport.

is theo that guy?  heck if i know, but he's a smart dude who successfully mastered running a sports franchise.  if i owned the lions, i would totally give him a call and see if he's up for another challenge.  

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12 minutes ago, Buddha said:

the same thing he does for the cubs: put the process into place and then hire the people to make those processes work.

he's not out scouting or developing players, he's putting the organizational processes into place and hiring the right people to develop them (in theory).  plus he's involved in the business aspect (like creating the wrigley renovation and developing the area around the stadium - like they did in boston when he was there.

the lions are quite behind the curve of the league, in my uneducated opinion.  the tigers were too but are now trying to catch up.  the best way for the lions to catch up would be to hire someone who knows how to use modern management techniques and applying them to sport.

is theo that guy?  heck if i know, but he's a smart dude who successfully mastered running a sports franchise.  if i owned the lions, i would totally give him a call and see if he's up for another challenge.  

Wasn’t he still operating in a more traditional GM sense of making trades, signing free agents, drafting. Obvious much of that is delegated, but I assume that his judgment on these types of things took precedence.

Wasn’t he more of an SVG type team president than a Ron wood type team president?

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1 minute ago, Shelton said:

Wasn’t he still operating in a more traditional GM sense of making trades, signing free agents, drafting. Obvious much of that is delegated, but I assume that his judgment on these types of things took precedence.

Wasn’t he more of an SVG type team president than a Ron wood type team president?

i think he delegated a lot to jed hoyer.  hoyer has been the gm for a long time.  and another guy is head of scouting.  

im sure theo is involved in the player acquisition process, i assume he's a smart enough manager to know when to defer to others, but i get the impression that the final decisions on a lot of things were his.

so to answer the question, more of an svg type than ron wood, but less of an svg type than svg.

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2 minutes ago, Buddha said:

i think he delegated a lot to jed hoyer.  hoyer has been the gm for a long time.  and another guy is head of scouting.  

im sure theo is involved in the player acquisition process, i assume he's a smart enough manager to know when to defer to others, but i get the impression that the final decisions on a lot of things were his.

so to answer the question, more of an svg type than ron wood, but less of an svg type than svg.

Yeah, hoyer is a legit GM so that makes sense. 

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The Lions should hire the Belichick as the next head coach and have Andy Reid as OC and Mike Tomlin as DC. I know this seems crazy and impossible because it is.  

Still it’s more likely than Rod & Sheila hiring Theo Epstein to be the Lions GM.  

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18 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

The Lions should hire the Belichick as the next head coach and have Andy Reid as OC and Mike Tomlin as DC. I know this seems crazy and impossible because it is.  

Still it’s more likely than Rod & Sheila hiring Theo Epstein to be the Lions GM.  

not gm, president.

and you're just wedded to old out dated narratives about "football guys"...

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I don’t think the idea of Theo in the NFL is a bad one.  Depodesta did it so there is some precedent.     It will never happen with a backwards thinking organization like the Lions.  

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15 hours ago, Hongbit said:

I don’t think the idea of Theo in the NFL is a bad one.  Depodesta did it so there is some precedent.     It will never happen with a backwards thinking organization like the Lions.  

Again though, DePodesta has thus far been a total failure. Since DePodesta got there Cleveland has gone through 3 GM's (Sashi Brown, John Dorsey, and now Andrew Berry). They have also gone through 4 Head Coaches in Hue Jackson, Greg Williams, Freddy Kitchens, and now Kevin Stefanski. They went 0-16 his first year, 7-8-1, 6-10 and are currently 6-3. His career record is 19-34-1. Even if you discount the first 0-16 year he still has a losing record at 19-21-1. They have no playoff appearances in this time either. They also have one of the most dysfunctional rosters in the NFL. I had Cleveland pegged as a surefire playoff team last season but they imploded and proved me and a lot of people wrong. Their two best players are total basket cases and one is a complete psychopath. OBJ is a locker room problem by all accounts and shows up only when he wants to and Myles Garrett is the new Vontez Burfict, trying to violently injure people by swinging his helmet as a weapon.

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12 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Again though, DePodesta has thus far been a total failure. Since DePodesta got there Cleveland has gone through 3 GM's (Sashi Brown, John Dorsey, and now Andrew Berry). They have also gone through 4 Head Coaches in Hue Jackson, Greg Williams, Freddy Kitchens, and now Kevin Stefanski. They went 0-16 his first year, 7-8-1, 6-10 and are currently 6-3. His career record is 19-34-1. Even if you discount the first 0-16 year he still has a losing record at 19-21-1. They have no playoff appearances in this time either. They also have one of the most dysfunctional rosters in the NFL. I had Cleveland pegged as a surefire playoff team last season but they imploded and proved me and a lot of people wrong. Their two best players are total basket cases and one is a complete psychopath. OBJ is a locker room problem by all accounts and shows up only when he wants to and Myles Garrett is the new Vontez Burfict, trying to violently injure people by swinging his helmet as a weapon.

To be fair, 19-34-1 is better than a lot of Lions 7 year stretches . 

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I have lost a lot of respect for Epstein, who basically quit when times got tough in Chicago. I think the 10 year bs is a copout. The Cubs have a lot of hard decisions to make this off season, and at least Hoyer will get full credit for the moves he makes now.

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D'Andre Swift out for Sunday with what the team is calling a "brain injury" aka a concussion. This is so classically Lions to finally draft a quality RB and now he'll battle concussion issues the rest of his career. Jahvid Best 2.0 now. He'll never be the same and probably have to retire sometime next year. Here's to hoping De'Andre Swift makes a full and thorough recovery.

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