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14 hours ago, Longgone said:

And I sincerely doubt anyone on this board would be in favor of the government taking over the means of production, so Tigeraholic1 fear not!

I'd be in favor of the government taking over the means of making Donald Trump's debt to Russia go away.

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15 hours ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

Exactly.

Which is what pisses me off most about Tigerholic's stream of BS.

Whatever Dems want, it's "socialism".

Like... the military? Police? Fire Fighters? NASA? Education? Social Security & Medicare for old folk so they don't end up on the streets (safety net)?

Cry me a ******* river.

We are, and always have been, a Social Democracy.

 

Uncross your eyes and go back to my original point. I am against college loan bail outs. I also don't like seeing old "folks" running the streets.

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One last serious question. This lopsided federal funding, do you guys feel this is a Trump created problem? If not why did the Obama admin not correct this during his eight years in office?

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17 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

We don't have windmill farms in Indiana.

Have you never driven I-65 north of Lafayette? That stretch has miles of windmill farms!

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17 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Yes, but you said farmers are benifiting from this. The family farmer which there are still quite a few will not see a dollar.

Corporate socialism.  

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Just now, chasfh said:

Have you never driven I-65 north of Lafayette? That stretch has miles of windmill farms!

I meant NE Indiana were is reside. Sorry..... However as soo as you cross into Ohio there are windmill farms for miles.

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1 minute ago, chasfh said:

Have you never driven I-65 north of Lafayette? That stretch has miles of windmill farms!

The area surrounding the SW side of lake MI is one of the better wind areas in the midwest.

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1 minute ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

One last serious question. This lopsided federal funding, do you guys feel this is a Trump created problem? If not why did the Obama admin not correct this during his eight years in office?

I don't think it's a problem. What I have a problem with is conservatives in these red states talking about handouts and socialism and pulling their own weight and pulling themselves up by the bootstraps. These states have feasted on federal government for decades and act like they aren't taking any handouts. 

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16 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

One last serious question. This lopsided federal funding, do you guys feel this is a Trump created problem? If not why did the Obama admin not correct this during his eight years in office?

No, and the president doesn't control tax revenues per the constitution

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On 11/10/2020 at 11:23 PM, tiger337 said:

Most of the people I work with are PhDs.  I don't think any of them are making 200K and few are making 140K.  Those that do make a lot of money work a lot of years before they get there.   That is in academia. There might be a few more in industry, but people don't usually get PhD's to make a lot of money.  Their passion is the subject matter and the potential to make a difference in the world.  It is also often tough for PhD's to find jobs just like anybody else.    

PhDs very rarely make more than a masters depending on industry like you mentioned.  My wife looked into it and the extra college is more for her benefit than the bottom line.  I am a little surprised to hear the average salary for a phd is about 127k which I just looked up.  I would have thought it was a little higher.  That does not really change my feelings on it though, my wife makes less than that a year and had close to 120k in loans, we are plugging away on her loans and making great progress just by making our payments every month on time.

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20 hours ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

That too.

All taxes paid by a state, stay within that state, including Federal.

Let's see what all these red states say to that...

I would LOVE that.

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20 hours ago, TigerFan1984 said:

Your assuming people in debt got a bad degree and are in debt due to bad choices. Your little story seems dishonest.

Pretty sure he was just expounding on the example given to him 🤷‍♂️

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19 hours ago, Blue Square Thing said:

Chances are that Johhny's expenditure has a much bigger positive impact on the wider economy than someone who doesn't spend any money but pays the lender back. The auto repair shop, the nursery store, the DIY store, the money spent on mulch. The multiplier effect of all that feeds the local economy much more effectively and creates more wealth and more jobs in the local area.

Who did the right thing?

So it trickles down or up?

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20 hours ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

That too.

All taxes paid by a state, stay within that state, including Federal.

Let's see what all these red states say to that...

Which begs the question how do you pay for some of the essentials from the Federal Government. Small things like the Military, or something mundane like Passports, Social Security, upkeep of National Parks.

 

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17 hours ago, CMRivdog said:


https://taxfoundation.org/federal-aid-reliance-rankings/

 

The map below shows the extent to which federal aid comprised each state’s total general revenue in FY 2016 (the most recent year of data available). That year, the states where federal aid comprised the largest share of general revenue were Mississippi (43.4 percent), Louisiana (42.7 percent), New Mexico (41.2 percent), Arizona (41.2 percent), and Kentucky (40.9 percent). The states for which federal aid comprised the smallest share of state general revenue were Virginia (21.1 percent), Hawaii (22.7 percent), Kansas (23.0 percent), North Dakota (23.8 percent), and Utah (25.7 percent).

Federal aid to states, federal aid state reliance rankings, federal aid rankings, rankings on how much states receive federal aid

It confuses me when people refer to the states and "aid", it is money back from money paid in.  People like to compare whole states to individuals.  As in the state got "welfare" just like poor Jimmy over there who never put one dime into the fed with taxes, but has been receiving plenty of help from the state/fed, but NEVER enough according to some people.

There is a difference between helping someone when they need it and supporting fully competent adults for their lives.  This goes for urban inner city black people and deep south or inner country red necks...(or even downriver rednecks?)..it is non partisan and non racial.  It is simply a bad habit to keep dumping money on a bad investment....the far left is probably seeing red after that comment and forgetting everything else I just said, but in case you missed the part above "There is a difference between helping someone when they need it and supporting fully competent adults for their lives."

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17 hours ago, Longgone said:

I think we should all agree on definitions. Taxing citizens in a capitalist society, and using those resources to provide for the common good, is NOT Socialism. It is the good and proper function of democratic government. The term is being intentionally misused by the far right as a stigma inducing pejorative against it's opposition.

I agree the FAR right think that...I think most rational people understand the money put into the fed by every individual and company needs to be used for the common good.  I think the some of the people in power on the federal level try to do that every day, but unfortunately there are not enough of them in the fed.

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10 minutes ago, John_Brian_K said:

So it trickles down or up?

Both really. That's the point - I've always tended to refer to it as the multiplier for that reason; the key thing is that it adds value to specific bits of the economy.

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Just now, John_Brian_K said:

I agree the FAR right think that...I think most rational people understand the money put into the fed by every individual and company needs to be used for the common good.  I think the some of the people in power on the federal level try to do that every day, but unfortunately there are not enough of them in the fed.

I think it's *hard* to know exactly how to do that - and very hard to actually keep everyone happy because people will have different priorities.

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3 minutes ago, Blue Square Thing said:

Both really. That's the point - I've always tended to refer to it as the multiplier for that reason; the key thing is that it adds value to specific bits of the economy.

Your original comment I just will never agree with.  If I am wrong paraphrasing what you meant please correct me, but what I read was "It is ok NOT to pay your student debt and go do whatever you want with that money because it helps the economy more."

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5 minutes ago, Blue Square Thing said:

I think it's *hard* to know exactly how to do that - and very hard to actually keep everyone happy because people will have different priorities.

You seem a rational fellow.  If you care enough about the subject shoot me a pm and we can discuss it in more detail.  I find WAY more satisfying conversation with pm's and people on here than chat in the general forums.

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20 hours ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

That too.

All taxes paid by a state, stay within that state, including Federal.

Let's see what all these red states say to that...

 

19 minutes ago, John_Brian_K said:

I would LOVE that.

And once we accomplish this, then we can address the real problem of counties subsidizing other counties with their tax dollars. Those beauties in Wayne County have been getting a free ride for far too long ... 😏

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1 minute ago, John_Brian_K said:

Your original comment I just will never agree with.  If I am wrong paraphrasing what you meant please correct me, but what I read was "It is ok NOT to pay your student debt and go do whatever you want with that money because it helps the economy more."

Not necessarily helps it more and not necessarily that it's the right (or wrong) thing to do.

But it's possible to argue that someone starting a family and spending money is, in part at least, doing the "right thing" - or, perhaps, is helping the economy.

Put it another way, if everyone spent as little as possible and paid money back to the lenders, how would local businesses make money to pay back to their lenders? Is there a case where people should perhaps have to borrow a bit less so that they can spend more which might have a greater benefit to the economy?

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