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1 minute ago, Buddha said:

stafford was really good last game, dont you think?

i think its a positive that patricia seems to finally have conceded that they 1) need to blitz more and 2) need to play more zone.  

on the plus side, jaime collins is playing well and the run defense has definitely improved since the bye week.  stafford has played two solid games in a row and was really good against the falcons.  tyrell crosby is looking comfortable at right tackle, thats good news.  marvin jones played well too.

on the negative side the offensive play calling seems bad to this uneducated observer.  why so much adrian peterson?  also, the falcons suck.  and when they wanted to throw, they do at will.  so do the jaguars and we played them without their best defensive player.  the reason the lions beat the falcons was that the falcons out lioned the lions!

that said, if this team squeaked into the playoffs and drew the bears or the nfc east winner, dont you think they could win?

On a related note, it’s also possible that the falcons don’t suck nearly as much as their record indicates. To blow that many leads, you need to get the leads in the first place. Football is weird. 

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1 minute ago, John_Brian_K said:

Somebody should have picked him up and threw him across the line.  I HATE it when a team tries to stop the other team from scoring when there is like 2 minutes left in the game, if they have any chance at all of winning or tying the game by getting the ball with enough time to score.  It drives me crazy.

I don’t think they were trying to stop Gurley. I think they were trying to act like they were trying to stop him. If they just stood there Gurley probably doesn’t have the brain fart. 
 

Just really poor coaching by the falcons to even run a play with any forward movement. 

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53 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

This win has guaranteed this regime is all but returning right? At this point, given how they have "rallied" and "saved the season" by beating teams with a combined 2-10 record, I don't see a situation where they don't return now. UGH!

I don't think that's necessarily true.  The "good news" if you're looking for the Quintricia to get the ax is that we end up against GB, Tennessee, TB, and Minny.  It's entirely possible that we end the season with a 4 game losing streak.  Now, if we'd faced this "lowly" section of teams at the end, then maybe, but there's still time for the team to fail.

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11 minutes ago, Buddha said:

stafford was really good last game, dont you think?

i think its a positive that patricia seems to finally have conceded that they 1) need to blitz more and 2) need to play more zone.  

on the plus side, jaime collins is playing well and the run defense has definitely improved since the bye week.  stafford has played two solid games in a row and was really good against the falcons.  tyrell crosby is looking comfortable at right tackle, thats good news.  marvin jones played well too.

on the negative side the offensive play calling seems bad to this uneducated observer.  why so much adrian peterson?  also, the falcons suck.  and when they wanted to throw, they do at will.  so do the jaguars and we played them without their best defensive player.  the reason the lions beat the falcons was that the falcons out lioned the lions!

that said, if this team squeaked into the playoffs and drew the bears or the nfc east winner, dont you think they could win?

Outside of the Arizona win, which was impressive, they have beaten two of the absolute worst teams in the NFL, The Jags and Falcons have a combined 2-10 record I believe, that isn't impressive. The Jags and Falcons will both struggle to win 4 games this year. Has Patricia conceded they need to blitz more, I'd like to think he has, but I'm going to wait 5-6 weeks on that one to see if a real pattern has developed.

In yards per game both the Jags and Falcons are in the bottom 20 of the league and in yard per carry the Jags are in the bottom 20. Has the run defense improved, I'd say so. Is it a by product of playing two teams with mediocre rushing attacks, I think that helps as well.

If this team squeaked into the playoffs and drew the Bears do I think they could win? No, Patricia has already proven that by being 0-5 against Matt Nagy, Mitch Trubisky and the Bears. I've laughed off the Bears with each win they've had and yet they still keep winning. Going into the playoffs, limping in at 7-9 or 8-8, and then getting beat in the first round isn't enough for me. 

I want what Brian Beane and Sean McDermott did with the Buffalo Bills with a 3 year turnaround. Granted, the Bills still have to prove they came deliver in the playoffs and make a Super Bowl at some point. But they turned it around rather quickly there. This regime, Quinn anyways, has had over 4 years to do it and hasn't. I am still unwavering in my belief that Quinn and Patricia are not the right guys to make this franchise a consistent winner and Super Bowl contenders. I believe they are incapable of doing what Beane and McDermott did with the Bills. I was excited when Quinn got the job here, too many bad moves, bad draft picks, and a bad coaching hire have made me know I was wrong and Quinn is the wrong man for the job.

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16 minutes ago, Buddha said:

stafford was really good last game, dont you think?

i think its a positive that patricia seems to finally have conceded that they 1) need to blitz more and 2) need to play more zone.  

on the plus side, jaime collins is playing well and the run defense has definitely improved since the bye week.  stafford has played two solid games in a row and was really good against the falcons.  tyrell crosby is looking comfortable at right tackle, thats good news.  marvin jones played well too.

on the negative side the offensive play calling seems bad to this uneducated observer.  why so much adrian peterson?  also, the falcons suck.  and when they wanted to throw, they do at will.  so do the jaguars and we played them without their best defensive player.  the reason the lions beat the falcons was that the falcons out lioned the lions!

that said, if this team squeaked into the playoffs and drew the bears or the nfc east winner, dont you think they could win?

The offensive playcalling was an abomination yesterday. I will never understand why Bevell gets so much praise from a portion of this fanbase. I see no creativity in his play calls, they don't utilize the tight ends nearly enough and the one drive (outside of the final one) when they went up and down the field Swift was featured with Cabinda blocking then they inexplicably went away from him the next 3 drive or so with a heavy dose of old, broken down AP as the lone back with Cabinda nowhere to be seen.

The defense has improved against the run but they resorted back to the 4 man rush in the 4th quarter and just let Ryan sit back and pick them apart. Okwara has made some plays but all the other defensive lineman are useless pass rushers including Big Money Flowers, they can't get close to the QB without the extra blitzer. I'd really like to see more of Jayron Kearse in the box and, believe it or not, Davis blitzing. Less Tavai please, he's awful. If he wasn't a 2nd rounder, he'd be on the Practice Squad after being cut and not picked up.

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21 minutes ago, John_Brian_K said:

Somebody should have picked him up and threw him across the line.

If he wasn't across yet, he would have been down as soon as they touched him. 

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44 minutes ago, NYLion said:

The offensive playcalling was an abomination yesterday. I will never understand why Bevell gets so much praise from a portion of this fanbase. I see no creativity in his play calls, they don't utilize the tight ends nearly enough and the one drive (outside of the final one) when they went up and down the field Swift was featured with Cabinda blocking then they inexplicably went away from him the next 3 drive or so with a heavy dose of old, broken down AP as the lone back with Cabinda nowhere to be seen.

The defense has improved against the run but they resorted back to the 4 man rush in the 4th quarter and just let Ryan sit back and pick them apart. Okwara has made some plays but all the other defensive lineman are useless pass rushers including Big Money Flowers, they can't get close to the QB without the extra blitzer. I'd really like to see more of Jayron Kearse in the box and, believe it or not, Davis blitzing. Less Tavai please, he's awful. If he wasn't a 2nd rounder, he'd be on the Practice Squad after being cut and not picked up.

the argument against bevell is that he's only been good when he's had a great running back (like marshawn lynch) and as soon as he left seattle russell wilson turned into one of the best qbs in football.  the argument for him is that stafford has played pretty well under him and they finally stopped playing that god awful west coast offense they had under caldwell.

the problem seems to be that they think this is 2012 adrian peterson and not 2020 adrian peterson.  swift should be their primary back, not peterson.  

as for the defense, i am a believer that they have done well against the run, but that pass defense is still terrible.  i'll believe it when i see them stop some passing games.  they were not good against atlanta's pass offense.

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1 hour ago, Buddha said:

i think its a positive that patricia seems to finally have conceded that they 1) need to blitz more and 2) need to play more zone.  

hard to say what anything means when you are playing bad teams. Any Michigan fan knows that by now.....

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1 hour ago, Yoda said:

If he wasn't across yet, he would have been down as soon as they touched him. 

Thanks...I had no idea.  I was talking about as he was running, not while laying on the ground after a Lion player hit him.  Even if he started to go down after contact, I would have picked him up and carried him over the line before he went down.

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Every one of Kenny Golladay's catches yesterday was All-Pro status. Incredibly impressive performance.

 

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3 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

hard to say what anything means when you are playing bad teams. Any Michigan fan knows that by now.....

I was thinking that too. But then I realized it's great practice for when we play good teams. And it might build confidence.

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19 hours ago, John_Brian_K said:

Thanks...I had no idea.  I was talking about as he was running, not while laying on the ground after a Lion player hit him.  Even if he started to go down after contact, I would have picked him up and carried him over the line before he went down.

That brings up another interesting questions.. does the NFL have a rule about this?  I mean, obviously you can't pick up a guy and carry him backwards... the ball carrier gets forward progress.  But what happens if Gurley, for example, stopped at the endzone... I mean clearly wasn't trying to go over, but before he could take a knee a defender "tackles" him from and pushes him into the endzone?  I don't know if we've ever seen that in a game, but I'm SURE there has been instances were defenders shoved/tackled a ball carrier out of bounds when he was trying to stay inbounds to keep the clock running.

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3 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

That brings up another interesting questions.. does the NFL have a rule about this?  I mean, obviously you can't pick up a guy and carry him backwards... the ball carrier gets forward progress.  But what happens if Gurley, for example, stopped at the endzone... I mean clearly wasn't trying to go over, but before he could take a knee a defender "tackles" him from and pushes him into the endzone?  I don't know if we've ever seen that in a game, but I'm SURE there has been instances were defenders shoved/tackled a ball carrier out of bounds when he was trying to stay inbounds to keep the clock running.

I don’t know about a defender picking up and carrying a guy, but tackling from behind that results in additional yards happens multiple times every game. Maybe I’m not interpreting your hypothetical correctly. 
 

There are also the times where a defender pulls a guy down and he lands on the defender and ends up back on his feet without having gone down. That’s another example of a defender creating more yards relative to where the player was. 

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19 hours ago, Jason_R said:

Every one of Kenny Golladay's catches yesterday was All-Pro status. Incredibly impressive performance.

 

What I'd like to know if how Golladay wasn't ruled a defenseless receiver on the catch at the 1-miunute mark of this video.

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8 minutes ago, Shelton said:

I don’t know about a defender picking up and carrying a guy, but tackling from behind that results in additional yards happens multiple times every game. Maybe I’m not interpreting your hypothetical correctly. 
 

There are also the times where a defender pulls a guy down and he lands on the defender and ends up back on his feet without having gone down. That’s another example of a defender creating more yards relative to where the player was. 

The difference here is clear evidence that the ball carrier did not intend to go further.  (Don't ask me how we have clear evidence... it's my hypothetical... I can make the rules!)  In your examples it's all cases where the ball carrier welcomes the additionally yardage.

Edit to add: The crux of the question might be the intent though and the inability to determine it.  My hypothetical is perhaps a fun thought experiment, but the reality is that it's rarely ever each to know the full intent, or to determine what should happen as a result of intent. 

It's easy to say the ball carrier did not intend to go backwards, so defenders picking him up and carrying him 5 yards in the wrong direction is obviously not what he wanted.  But forward progress is a different animal.  99% of the time (if not more) the offense wants forward progress.  Trying to determine in those rare occasions when the player may NOT want progress is pretty darn hard, so instead of intent, just look at what happens.  Did the player put his knee down? Yes? Okay... he's down. Did he not? Okay, then forward progress is marked where the ball or knee did come down.

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I do not think you would get away with picking a guy up and carrying him 10 yards, but grab him up and push him forward up to about 5 yards I think is reasonable and not something you would get a penalty for.  If Gurley had stopped at the 1 and was about to take a knee and a defender came up from the front or back, grabbed him up and kinda threw him through the endzone...I do not see a reason that should or would be flagged.  Even if he was around the 5 yard line....to me the illusion of just a regular tackle would probably end right around the 5 yard line.  I am not even sure if there is a rule for this...a player "giving himself up" usually involves that person already being on the ground with no intent to get back up...obviously you touch that person and he is down, but if he is still standing I am not sure if there is a rule that says you cannot advance him as a defensive player...again talking outside a normal tackle and taking that normal tackle to an extreme.....which to me would be past the 5.

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The rule in a situation like this is that the play is over only when the runner is down by contact or declares himself down by falling to the ground or taking a knee. The rules make clear the difference between “forward” and “backward” on the field, and only forward progress being stopped causes a dead ball when there is no contact with the ground. There is also a rule against an offensive player pulling the ball carrier forward, but this does not apply to defensive players. 

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lions just traded a 6th round pick to dallas for eversen griffen.

is he still any good?

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10 minutes ago, Buddha said:

lions just traded a 6th round pick to dallas for eversen griffen.

is he still any good?

I thought that said Everton so I instinctively said no. 

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18 minutes ago, Buddha said:

lions just traded a 6th round pick to dallas for eversen griffen.

is he still any good?

No, but any production for the Lions at all from a 6th round pick is probably better than the production from an actual draft pick they release who goes on to help another team.

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Valenti now convinced that this move means Quinntricia will for sure be back because they won't hire a new GM being down 2 draft picks. Lol Seriously? That sixth round pick means nothing to a new GM.

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this reminds me of the adrian peterson signing: getting a guy for next to nothing who used to be good 5 years ago but who can no longer cut it.  unlike peterson, the lions dont really have any young talent at DE since julian okwara is injured.

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1 hour ago, Buddha said:

lions just traded a 6th round pick to dallas for eversen griffen.

is he still any good?

Yes he's still pretty good. The sack numbers aren't great the last few years (would have led the Lions last year though) but he gets lots of pressures which is arguably a more important stat especially for a front 4 that seldom pressures the QB. He was top on my sign list this offseason once the bigger names were gone so I'm good with this.

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8 minutes ago, NYLion said:

Yes he's still pretty good. The sack numbers aren't great the last few years (would have led the Lions last year though) but he gets lots of pressures which is arguably a more important stat especially for a front 4 that seldom pressures the QB. He was top on my sign list this offseason once the bigger names were gone so I'm good with this.

his pass rush grade hasnt been good this year per pff.

but take the pff ratings with the usual grain of salt.

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