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Who will be the next Tigers manager?

Who will be the next Tigers manager  

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  1. 1. Who will be the next Tiger Manager?

    • Alex Cora
      0
    • Fredi Gonzalez
      2
    • A.J. Hinch
      19
    • Don Kelly
      2
    • George Lombard
      5
    • Lloyd McClendon
      3
    • Phil Nevin
      1
    • Mike Rabelo
      0
    • Marcus Thames
      1
    • Someone Else
      7


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4 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

I don't think you can build for World Series wins.  The Tigers were certainly good enough to win a series or two in the Dombrowski/Leyland era, but they didn't win the crap shoot.  

one could argue that those tigers teams underachieved under leyland.

and i think they were snakebit by injuries and bad luck in the playoffs on more than one occasion.

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I like Hinch, just surprised he was signed. He does seem genuinely contrite and I hadn't known about his smashing 2 monitors. He clearly didn't like the system but didn't stop it either.

Wonder if I can get a tilt-a-whirl for my backyard?

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16 minutes ago, leflore said:

 surprised he was signed.

yeah - just didn't feel like a Tiger org move. I don't have strong feelings one way or the other about Hinch but I guess I'm glad Avila can surprise

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2 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

yeah - just didn't feel like a Tiger org move. I don't have strong feelings one way or the other about Hinch but I guess I'm glad Avila can surprise

It feels like a Dombowski/ Mike Ilitch move.  

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22 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

yeah - just didn't feel like a Tiger org move. I don't have strong feelings one way or the other about Hinch but I guess I'm glad Avila can surprise

Maybe I’ll warm up to it, but a guy who can’t control the room enough to stop systemic cheating isn’t something I would have looked for in the next tigers manager.  

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12 minutes ago, T&P_Fan said:

Maybe I’ll warm up to it, but a guy who can’t control the room enough to stop systemic cheating isn’t something I would have looked for in the next tigers manager.  

That is a good point.  

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How was he supposed to stop it when his bosses,  assistants and players were all for it?  

Should he have gone to the media and threw the entire organization under the bus and betrayed the clubhouse trust?

Should he have gone against managements orders and benched all the culprits which would lead to people asking questions?

Should he have resigned in the middle of a great run in the prime of his career which again would lead to speculation?

Players are gonna do what they wanna do especially when it's encouraged by upper management and other coaches.

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I think that the best way to answer those questions is to substitute your own child for Hinch.  What would you want your own child to do in that circumstance?  He/she clearly knows right from wrong, you have made sure of that.  

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19 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

How was he supposed to stop it when his bosses,  assistants and players were all for it?  

Should he have gone to the media and threw the entire organization under the bus and betrayed the clubhouse trust?

Should he have gone against managements orders and benched all the culprits which would lead to people asking questions?

Should he have resigned in the middle of a great run in the prime of his career which again would lead to speculation?

Players are gonna do what they wanna do especially when it's encouraged by upper management and other coaches.

That sounds like excuses a weak manager of people would make.  To his credit, he is not making those excuses.  

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5 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

How was he supposed to stop it when his bosses,  assistants and players were all for it?  

Should he have gone to the media and threw the entire organization under the bus and betrayed the clubhouse trust?

Should he have gone against managements orders and benched all the culprits which would lead to people asking questions?

Should he have resigned in the middle of a great run in the prime of his career which again would lead to speculation?

Players are gonna do what they wanna do especially when it's encouraged by upper management and other coaches.

It depends on how he valued his job vs his honor. He could have immediately called time out and subbed out the hitter  when the banging started. Pull a couple of stars in the middle of an AB and one of two things happens: They quit doing it; or, You get fired. Either way you will be out of it.

Now the questions are, when the scuttlebutt got around the league about why he was fired, would it make it more or less likely for him to be re-hired and/or make other players want to play for him more or less in the future.

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43 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I'll be interested in seeing how he manages Miggy.

Agreed.  This specific issue is easily foreseen.  At some point Cabrera will need to be dropped in the batting order, maybe even to a platoon role, before his contract is up.  How well will that go?

To Cabrera’s credit, he never complained about DH only duties this season.  I think in the past he has mentioned he prefers to play 1B, but he’s never publicly complained about it.  So maybe when that time comes, he’ll be understanding of it, and there won’t be a fuss.

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11 minutes ago, Charles Liston said:

I think that the best way to answer those questions is to substitute your own child for Hinch.  What would you want your own child to do in that circumstance?  He/she clearly knows right from wrong, you have made sure of that.  

i know that if hinch was my kid, i would want him to learn his lesson and be better for it.

i know for sure that i wouldnt want him to never work again because he made a mistake.  which is what you seem to be implying.

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Well, like it or not, or be somewheres in between, Hinch is in charge.  It’ll be interesting to see how he constructs his coaching staff.

One thing I had forgotten was his scouting stint in the Padres front office.  So, how will he marry that experience with his analytics and that of Caesar?  I think this move puts some pressure on Avila and the farm system he hasn’t built.

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27 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

 

That sounds like excuses a weak manager of people would make.  To his credit, he is not making those excuses.  

Fair enough,  they definitely sound like excuses but to me they are actually legit questions. Like I don't know what he could've done in that situation that would've stopped them from doing it short of blowing the whistle and if he did that he would be blackballed cause nobody would hire somebody that would rat out their team and players.   

 

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Miggy actually came on strong and was paced for about 30 hr and 100 rbi. I don't see him getting there, but maybe 25 hr and 80 rbi. I agree at some point he'll need to drop in the order. But unless the guys Al signs are better, I'm guessing he stays put in his spot.

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51 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

How was he supposed to stop it when his bosses,  assistants and players were all for it?  

Should he have gone to the media and threw the entire organization under the bus and betrayed the clubhouse trust?

Should he have gone against managements orders and benched all the culprits which would lead to people asking questions?

Should he have resigned in the middle of a great run in the prime of his career which again would lead to speculation?

Players are gonna do what they wanna do especially when it's encouraged by upper management and other coaches.

If I were Hinch, I would have walked away from my contract and gone straight to the commissioner to start an investigation. 

He wouldn't have gotten suspended and would have easily found a new job because the market rewards integrity. 

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33 minutes ago, Buddha said:

i know that if hinch was my kid, i would want him to learn his lesson and be better for it.

i know for sure that i wouldnt want him to never work again because he made a mistake.  which is what you seem to be implying.

I'm implying he should never work again?  Not at all.

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2 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

Fair enough,  they definitely sound like excuses but to me they are actually legit questions. Like I don't know what he could've done in that situation that would've stopped them from doing it short of blowing the whistle and if he did that he would be blackballed cause nobody would hire somebody that would rat out their team and players.   

 

I think a strong manager who had the respect of his players could go after them privately and put a stop to it.  Once the players are on board, then he could talk to his bosses.   None of it needed to go public.  All of that is easier said than done, but isn't it a manager's job to manage people?   

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Just now, tiger337 said:

I think a strong manager who had the respect of his players could go after them privately and put a stop to it.  Once the players are on board, then he could talk to his bosses.   None of it needed to go public.  All of that is easier said than done, but isn't it a manager's job to manage people?   

Yes, but they are still adults and are going to do what they want to do.   He smashed a monitor infront of them and told them he didn't approve.  So they then did it less often and more discreetly.   For all he knew it could've stopped, **** they stopped after 2017 despite not getting caught.

Who's to say he didn't put a kabosh to it after he realized it was still going on? 

 

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53 minutes ago, Buddha said:

i know that if hinch was my kid, i would want him to learn his lesson and be better for it.

i know for sure that i wouldnt want him to never work again because he made a mistake.  which is what you seem to be implying.

Where did he imply that?  He was talking about in the moment.  In the moment Hinch knew the scheme.  He didn’t like it, but he also didn’t fully stop it, something he certainly could have done. 

Disappointing that the 2nd chance is with the tigers.  

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41 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

Yes, but they are still adults and are going to do what they want to do.   He smashed a monitor infront of them and told them he didn't approve.  So they then did it less often and more discreetly.   For all he knew it could've stopped, **** they stopped after 2017 despite not getting caught.

Who's to say he didn't put a kabosh to it after he realized it was still going on? 

 

So, he failed.  That doesn't mean he's a bad manager (he's supposed to be a very good one in many respects), but he didn't get a good result in that case.  

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1 minute ago, Yoda said:

You didn't answer the question. I too would love to know what he was supposed to about it when his bosses were ok with it. 

Walk away.  Or call out your bosses behind the scenes.  It’s not like their was nothing he could have done. He choose to do the least.  Smashing a monitor passive aggressive. Call it out directly.

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