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Who will be the next Tigers manager  

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  1. 1. Who will be the next Tiger Manager?

    • Alex Cora
      0
    • Fredi Gonzalez
      2
    • A.J. Hinch
      19
    • Don Kelly
      2
    • George Lombard
      5
    • Lloyd McClendon
      3
    • Phil Nevin
      1
    • Mike Rabelo
      0
    • Marcus Thames
      1
    • Someone Else
      7


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boy, it is really hard to get forgiveness in this world.  the guy was involved in something that he apparently didnt want to be involved in and tried to stop but didnt do effectively, apologized for it, was sentenced for his misdeeds, and now he can work again and has hopefully learned from his mistakes.

sheesh.

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Seems every time I go to a new page this morning, that number up top for Hinch goes up. :wink:

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8 minutes ago, Buddha said:

boy, it is really hard to get forgiveness in this world.  the guy was involved in something that he apparently didnt want to be involved in and tried to stop but didnt do effectively, apologized for it, was sentenced for his misdeeds, and now he can work again and has hopefully learned from his mistakes.

sheesh.

NHL team just dropped a guy - apparently for his behavior as a 13yr old.

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This hire is a potentially positive surprise, considering the group of candidates at hand, but it’s not as though it's some amazing coup. The Tigers were able to hire Hinch because even as the manager of recent multiple pennant winners and a World Series champ, he is still damaged goods. A lot of people working in the game wondered whether he might ever get another chance to manage or even work in baseball again.

From our perspective, I think the key to the Hinch hire is how much latitude he will have to put together his own coaching staff. If he gets to choose his staff, that will be a good sign that the Tigers believe in Hinch as the guy who is ready to take the team on the next couple steps to becoming a contender, bringing in some fresh thinking as a guy with experience in one of baseball's cutting-edge organizations. If the staff is put together mainly by the Leyland brain trust, though, as they did with Gardenhire, that would be a bad sign that Hinch is simply a World Series-winning PR hire in the Tigers’ eyes.

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11 minutes ago, Buddha said:

boy, it is really hard to get forgiveness in this world.  the guy was involved in something that he apparently didnt want to be involved in and tried to stop but didnt do effectively, apologized for it, was sentenced for his misdeeds, and now he can work again and has hopefully learned from his mistakes.

sheesh.

Yep.  Can't say necessarily for people on here but some of my FB friends are bitching about hiring a cheater yet still treat Tom Brady as their Lord and Savior when he participated and had knowledge of cheating numerous times and was caught doing it.  And unlike Hinch he had the power to say something.  

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16 minutes ago, Buddha said:

boy, it is really hard to get forgiveness in this world.  the guy was involved in something that he apparently didnt want to be involved in and tried to stop but didnt do effectively, apologized for it, was sentenced for his misdeeds, and now he can work again and has hopefully learned from his mistakes.

sheesh.

Maybe this is less applicable because Hinch did serve a one year suspension, but I wonder if part of why forgiveness is harder to achieve is that too many get away with never paying any price for their indiscretions. I don't think it's enough to just disappear for while and then expect public forgiveness. Doesn't the overall idea of justice require that people make some real restitution/expiation?  - and I'm talking about something beyond the easy media faux apologies. I think that is the piece that tends to be missing today.

For example, I can respect that a guy like Michael Milken went out and stumped for a charity for years, he's earned something back.

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8 minutes ago, Buddha said:

boy, it is really hard to get forgiveness in this world.  the guy was involved in something that he apparently didnt want to be involved in and tried to stop but didnt do effectively, apologized for it, was sentenced for his misdeeds, and now he can work again and has hopefully learned from his mistakes.

sheesh.

I approve this message.

I would have banned he and the GM for life if it were left up to me. However, Manfred being the spineless sellout he is, chose otherwise. In that the league served punishment, different than what I would have done, I’ll live with the results. That said, the Tigers need to hire the man, now!

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21 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Maybe this is less applicable because Hinch did serve a one year suspension, but I wonder if part of why forgiveness is harder to achieve is that too many get away with never paying any price for their indiscretions. I don't think it's enough to just disappear for while and then expect public forgiveness. Doesn't the overall idea of justice require that people make some real restitution/expiation?  - and I'm talking about something beyond the easy media faux apologies. I think that is the piece that tends to be missing today.

For example, I can respect that a guy like Michael Milken went out and stumped for a charity for years, he's earned something back.

Or because it's the internet and people just love to pretend to be angry about things. 

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Just now, Yoda said:

Or because it's the internet and people just love to pretend to be angry about things. 

yeah - social media is a big part. But it seems to me that people are beginning to be more dismissive of social media 'opinion'. Maybe that's wishful thinking? I hope not.

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4 minutes ago, Yoda said:

Or because it's the internet and people just love to pretend to be angry about things. 

I don't pretend!

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51 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

NHL team just dropped a guy - apparently for his behavior as a 13yr old.

i saw that.  i thought it was terrible.  the kid did something bad as a 13 year old, or even as a 17 year old, let him apologize and learn something from it.  you have to ruin his life to sacrifice him on the altar of corporate PR correctness.

its horrible.  forgiveness is very lacking in today's society unfortunately.

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1 hour ago, Buddha said:

he sure stopped kenny rogers from cheating in the 2006 playoffs.  really put his foot down there.

and he sure didnt give any leeway to any guys who had been rumored to be juicing like gary sheffield.  none at all.

Did I claim Leyland was a saint?

4 hours ago, Casimir said:

I agree with you that yelling at guys isn't necessarily the way to control a clubhouse.  That image just kind of popped into my mind.  Well, the video did, but I figured it should be linked.  Gotta think of the kids.

 

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28 minutes ago, Yoda said:

Or because it's the internet and people just love to pretend to be angry about things. 

My trepidation might be more due to a subconscious issue with the Tigers hiring a manager that is younger than me.  I have now joined the old & angry club.

23 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

I don't pretend!

See what I mean?

Now get off of my lawn.

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3 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Did I claim Leyland was a saint?

 

true, and i dont think hinch has to be either.

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1 hour ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Maybe this is less applicable because Hinch did serve a one year suspension, but I wonder if part of why forgiveness is harder to achieve is that too many get away with never paying any price for their indiscretions. I don't think it's enough to just disappear for while and then expect public forgiveness. Doesn't the overall idea of justice require that people make some real restitution/expiation?  - and I'm talking about something beyond the easy media faux apologies. I think that is the piece that tends to be missing today.

For example, I can respect that a guy like Michael Milken went out and stumped for a charity for years, he's earned something back.

I would even argue that the very idea of simply saying sorry and having the internet/public be ok with that person from that time on is another indicator of a faulty process.  You do need to have a punishment that is equal to the crime, you then need that person to not do that again.  With the internet it is a weird thing because usually the "crime" is just words....so then "better" words are used to fix it, but actions....they require more than words.

I also think that EVERYONE sees the indiscretion, but not the penance.  MAYBE the penance is brought up, but you never know if it was followed up with...if the person even did it.

There is also (obviously) bias when it comes to someone who is playing for your team or representing your faith or your ideology.  We see it in the political threads dozens of times a day.  I am not sure anyone is immune to it if they are honest with themselves.  You also have the personal experience angle...if you have personal experience in someone else demons it is easier for you to forgive them.

I had a bunch of punishment as a kid because I pushed a lot of boundaries...the biggest one I recall is stealing....caught with a buddy at Target stealing some match box cars, got taken to an office, parents called...the penance was stiff (right around Christmas time), never even THOUGHT about stealing since...what would have happened if the penance was nothing, like my buddies?  Would I have followed a path that would have lead me to be in prison right now?  I think about those small things that happened in my life when I was younger and how things would have changed if the outcomes were different.  Small changes in peoples lives have such far reaching consequences for their futures.

 

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51 minutes ago, Yoda said:

Or because it's the internet and people just love to pretend to be angry about things. 

This upsets me.

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The Detroit Tigers signed Gates Brown out of an Ohio prison. Gates went on to be a member of the 1968 WS Champs and the batting coach for the 1984 WS Champs. He is one of my all-time favorite Tigers. Good for the Tigers for giving Gates a shot at a second chance.

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The hire surprises me. There will be some distractions with it but the Tiger brass must feel its worth it. If it means we are going to finally go for the playoffs instead of the draft then I am all for it.

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2 minutes ago, 1776 said:

The Detroit Tigers signed Gates Brown out of an Ohio prison. Gates went on to be a member of the 1968 WS Champs and the batting coach for the 1984 WS Champs. He is one of my all-time favorite Tigers. Good for the Tigers for giving Gates a shot at a second chance.

Ron leFlore also

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1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Seems every time I go to a new page this morning, that number up top for Hinch goes up. :wink:

Tis the season of early voting. 

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The Tigers brass waited until Sparky Anderson passed to retire his number. They knew the man was dying but didn’t act. This, after he was already in the HOF. 

The Tigers aren’t risking a pristine reputation by hiring Hinch.

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33 minutes ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

This feels like the hiring of Sparky Anderson.

So, another 5-year plan.  

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8 minutes ago, 1776 said:

The Detroit Tigers signed Gates Brown out of an Ohio prison. Gates went on to be a member of the 1968 WS Champs and the batting coach for the 1984 WS Champs. He is one of my all-time favorite Tigers. Good for the Tigers for giving Gates a shot at a second chance.

One of my favorite baseball stories:

Great Moments in Hot Dog History: Gates Brown once hit with frankfurters hidden in his shirt

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By Michael Clair
February 20, 2017

Baseball has an amazing history of players eating during ballgames. With all the appetizing aromas from the concourse wafting through the stadium, even finely tuned athletes that subsist on nothing but chicken and leafy greens occasionally give in. 
Don Mattingly famously helped himself to a fan's popcorn in 1992: 

Jeff Francoeur, known for his love of bacon, paid homage to Mattingly 20 years later: 

And Prince Fielder went in on some nachos after coming up short on a foul ball: 

However, former Tigers outfielder and pinch-hitter Gates Brown lays claim to the greatest moment of in-game gluttony. Not in the starting lineup for a game in 1968, Brown decided to grab a couple of hot dogs. After returning to the bench with two frankfurters loaded with mustard, manager Mayo Smith (quite a name in a story about food) ordered Brown to hit. Since he didn't want Smith to see him eating, Brown did the only logical thing: He stuffed the dogs inside his shirt. 

As Brown told the Sporting News in 1994, "I always wanted to get a hit every time I went to the plate. But this was one time I didn't want to get a hit."

Luck wasn't on the pinch-hitter's side this day. After lacing the ball to the gap, Brown raced around first and was on his way to second and, sure enough, had to slide face-first, getting mustard and "squashed meat" all over himself. 

"The fielders took one look at me, turned their backs and damned near busted a gut laughing at me," Brown recalled. "My teammates in the dugout went crazy."

Brown was then fined $100 and when Smith asked him what he was doing, the hitter came clean: "I said, 'I was hungry. Besides, where else can you eat a hot dog and have the best seat in the house?'"
We should pledge to live every day like Brown: With two hot dogs hidden under our clothes.

 

 

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