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Chase is the WR I want most.   I think he is like Devonte Smith except with more size on him.

I'm not sure if it's official yet but I heard Waddle was coming back for his SR. year. 

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28 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

If the Lions franchise Golladay, could they get a 1st round pick for him on a trade? Probably a late 1st rounder? I feel Golladay would have the same value as a Brandin Cooks or Amari Cooper who both got 1st round picks. Maybe draft a WR and trade Golladay and use some of his cap space to sign a #2. I'm not sure, however, would the cap hit would be with trading a franchised player though. 

I could possibly see the Dolphins agreeing to give up their 2nd 1st round pick for him. I'd prefer to keep him and try to re-sign him if we can't get a good load of picks for him.

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As long as the hip injury isn't something to be concerned with Id definitely prefer to keep him long term.  This is a completely different team with a healthy Golladay.   

I think even if we resign him I'd still think about going offense first if Parsons is gone.   Yes the defense sucks but I think you can still win in the NFL with a horrible defense if you have an elite offense which the Lions could potentially  have with Golladay and Chase/Smith at WR.

 

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24 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I could possibly see the Dolphins agreeing to give up their 2nd 1st round pick for him. I'd prefer to keep him and try to re-sign him if we can't get a good load of picks for him.

I would think a first rounder for one year of a top WR you are paying full value for will get far less than a first rounder. A third would be my guess.

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2 minutes ago, Stanley70 said:

I would think a first rounder for one year of a top WR you are paying full value for will get far less than a first rounder. A third would be my guess.

The presumption would be that they'd be re-signing him.

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1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

If we are going WR I like Chase and Waddle over Smith. I wouldn't be completely against WR because we will be in desperate need of one come next year when both Golladay and Jones are gone. I'm in the QB camp as of now with one of Fields/Lance/Wilson. I expect Lance or Wilson to be the guys available when we're picking at #7. If the new Front Office doesn't like any of the QB options available then I'm probably looking at one of the edge guys like Kwity Paye or Gregory Rousseau.

Nah, I couldn't take either player over Smith. I don't think Golladay is going anywhere, and I'm not very high on those two edge guys, especially Paye. He doesn't belong in the conversation at this point in the draft. If the Lions re-sign Okwara, they really don't have a need for an edge, although you can't have enough pass rushers. Linebacker and DT are both screaming needs to me, along with WR. Parsons would be a great fit.

As far as QB's go, I think the pecking order will be 1. Lawrence; 2. Wilson; 3. Fields 4. Mac Jones 5. Lance; 6. Trask

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1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said:

Chase is the WR I want most.   I think he is like Devonte Smith except with more size on him.

I'm not sure if it's official yet but I heard Waddle was coming back for his SR. year. 

Smith reminds me of Antonio Brown.

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35 minutes ago, Stanley70 said:

I would think a first rounder for one year of a top WR you are paying full value for will get far less than a first rounder. A third would be my guess.

Amari Cooper was in the same situation and fetched a 1st rounder. Brandin Cooks got a 1st round pick when he was in the last year of a contract. 

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32 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Amari Cooper was in the same situation and fetched a 1st rounder. Brandin Cooks got a 1st round pick when he was in the last year of a contract. 

Those were a little different situations, the Dolphins are getting just one year. Hopefully someone will offer a first because that would be a no-brainer deal.

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Just now, Stanley70 said:

Those were a little different situations, the Dolphins are getting just one year. Hopefully someone will offer a first because that would be a no-brainer deal.

Both of those players had just one year left. In Cooper's case 1.5 years. They both signed long term extensions with the team they were traded to. 

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48 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Both of those players had just one year left. In Cooper's case 1.5 years. They both signed long term extensions with the team they were traded to. 

And neither one signed for the franchise tag and was then traded. 

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8 hours ago, cruzer1 said:

I think Devonta Smith is a special player, and should be on the Lions short list at 7. Others to consider (if Stafford is staying, and we don't need a QB) include Micah Parsons, Rousseau/Phillips and JaMarr Chase.

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6 hours ago, cruzer1 said:

Nah, I couldn't take either player over Smith. I don't think Golladay is going anywhere, and I'm not very high on those two edge guys, especially Paye. He doesn't belong in the conversation at this point in the draft. If the Lions re-sign Okwara, they really don't have a need for an edge, although you can't have enough pass rushers. Linebacker and DT are both screaming needs to me, along with WR. Parsons would be a great fit.

As far as QB's go, I think the pecking order will be 1. Lawrence; 2. Wilson; 3. Fields 4. Mac Jones 5. Lance; 6. Trask

mac jones will be a great backup qb for the next decade.  no thank you.

if the lions arent going to mortgage the future to trade up to #2 (because the jags will never deal #1 and it will cost multiple #1 picks to get to #2) then they should take Lance if they want a qb.  biggest upside.

i definitely do not think they should trade up to #2, and i am dubious about taking a qb in this draft.  but if they do, then take a chance on Lance.

i'd much rather have parsons or chase.  they have the worst linebackers in the league, please get someone who can defend!!!!

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6 hours ago, Buddha said:

mac jones will be a great backup qb for the next decade.  no thank you.

if the lions arent going to mortgage the future to trade up to #2 (because the jags will never deal #1 and it will cost multiple #1 picks to get to #2) then they should take Lance if they want a qb.  biggest upside.

i definitely do not think they should trade up to #2, and i am dubious about taking a qb in this draft.  but if they do, then take a chance on Lance.

i'd much rather have parsons or chase.  they have the worst linebackers in the league, please get someone who can defend!!!!

I don't think Lance has a chance to be in the top 5. There's so many QB's in this draft (IMO, Lance is the biggest risk, since he's the least experienced, and he's probably going in the 11-20 range) that there is no need to trade up in the draft. The Lions need more picks, not less. 

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McShay put out a new mock and he has us taking taking Chase.  Most surprising though is he has Fields dropping all the way to 15.  He has Wilson being the 2nd qb off the board and going to Atl.

Personally I'm a big Fields fan so even though I'm in the camp of keeping Staff and adding talent around him if Fields were to drop that far I would have to think long and hard about taking him and moving on from Stafford. 

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On 1/5/2021 at 5:59 PM, cruzer1 said:

Nah, I couldn't take either player over Smith. I don't think Golladay is going anywhere, and I'm not very high on those two edge guys, especially Paye. He doesn't belong in the conversation at this point in the draft. If the Lions re-sign Okwara, they really don't have a need for an edge, although you can't have enough pass rushers. Linebacker and DT are both screaming needs to me, along with WR. Parsons would be a great fit.

As far as QB's go, I think the pecking order will be 1. Lawrence; 2. Wilson; 3. Fields 4. Mac Jones 5. Lance; 6. Trask

There is a huge need for an edge. They get zero pressure. 

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46 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

There is a huge need for an edge. They get zero pressure. 

They need a better push from the interior imho.

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9 hours ago, Keepleyland2 said:

There is a huge need for an edge. They get zero pressure. 

Every unit on the Lions defense is a huge need.  

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10 hours ago, cruzer1 said:

They need a better push from the interior imho.

OK. Still doesn't take away that no matter who they resign, the pass rush has sucked for years and they still need edge guys.

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13 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

McShay put out a new mock and he has us taking taking Chase.  Most surprising though is he has Fields dropping all the way to 15.  He has Wilson being the 2nd qb off the board and going to Atl.

Personally I'm a big Fields fan so even though I'm in the camp of keeping Staff and adding talent around him if Fields were to drop that far I would have to think long and hard about taking him and moving on from Stafford. 

If Fields drops to us at #7 I am taking him over Lance and any other prospect on the board. I had a hard time believing he slips past both the Jets and the Falcons, but you never know.

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2 hours ago, Keepleyland2 said:

OK. Still doesn't take away that no matter who they resign, the pass rush has sucked for years and they still need edge guys.

They have edge guys right now. I think they need to fix the interior of the defense, the dt's, lib's and even safety.

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3 hours ago, cruzer1 said:

They have edge guys right now. I think they need to fix the interior of the defense, the dt's, lib's and even safety.

Derrick Brown would look good right about now. 

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Just now, RandyMarsh said:

Derrick Brown would look good right about now. 

Yes, even though he struggled his first year. I believe in building the defense from the inside, out.

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5 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

If Fields drops to us at #7 I am taking him over Lance and any other prospect on the board. I had a hard time believing he slips past both the Jets and the Falcons, but you never know.

I would take Mac Jones over Lance, and maybe over Fields. Close call.

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1 minute ago, cruzer1 said:

Yes, even though he struggled his first year. I believe in building the defense from the inside, out.

He struggled early but has played really well the latter half of the season.   

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