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With the 2020 season over, we need to look at the draft (no matter who will be picking the players). I'm hoping for a complete overhaul of the front office. You cannot draft slow players in today's NFL. Speed kills. Drafting slow players will kill a team. It's now time to consider drafting a QB in the first round. I'm a big believer in Trey Lance. He's a great athlete, has a huge arm, and is very accurate. He will need time to develop, so they need to draft and stash him away for 2 years, although he can be a running threat right out the gate. I think he's more accurate than both Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields. I think he will have a better NFL career than both. The Lions have a ton of needs, on offense and defense. They need an offensive identity, and I hope that begins with the choosing of the head coach. The offense that I would want to run would be an outside running stretch zone team, like the Rams, 49ers, and Packers. Some names that I would be interested in to run the offense would be Mike LaFleur (brother of Matt), who's the 49ers passing game coordinator, Mike McDaniel the 49ers running game coordinator, Nathaniel Hackett the Packers Off Coordinator, and Aaron Kromer, the running game coordinator/Offensive line coach of the Rams.

Defensively, some of the schemes I prefer include the 49ers, Packers, and Colts. I really like Robert Saleh as a coordinator, and I feel he would make an excellent head coach. Another rising star on defense that I think might be hard to bring over is Matt Eberflus. To bring him in, he'd have to be the HC, and I don't know if I'm willing to go that far with him. 

The Lions will have 6 draft picks, minus the 7th rounder that will go to Seattle in the Diggs trade. If they have a top 5 pick, I like their chances of getting Trey Lance.

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It's time to move on from Stafford for any number of reasons. He hasn't looked good this year, he's going on 34 years of age, he doesn't beat good defenses, he pads his stats against the bad defenses, he still makes rookie-esque mistakes and still has poor decision making at time.

Give me a new GM, a new scouting staff, new play personnel people, a new Head Coach, a new Offensive Coordinator (though I wouldn't be opposed if the new HC kept Darrell Bevell as I don't think Bevell is this team's problem) and most of all a new QB. Let's trade Stafford and Kenny Golladay for the best value we can get and let's start over with a rookie QB, on a rookie contract. I want Trevor Lawrence but would be satisfied with Trey Lance or Justin Fields as well.

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As far Head Coaches go, I've made too many wrong predictions too many times about coaches I thought would be good and were not, so I don't know who to hire. I thought Mariucci was going to be the one to turn it around and he was not. I wanted Pat Schurmer when we hired Matt Patricia instead, Schurmer was equally a disaster in New York. Although, Dave Gettleman is probably one of the 3 worst GM's in the league, so I don't know how much blame Schurmer gets being stuck with Eli Manning and Dave Gettleman.

I have no clue who would be a good fit were Bob Quinn to be fired because I know nothing about NFL front office staff. Last time, when Quinn was brought in, I went with the conventional wisdom of "get someone from a successful organization and they can bring that success here" so that obviously is flawed logic. On the coaching front though, given that we see these guys work on the sidelines each and every week, I feel better qualified to give an opinion. 

Given what we have witnessed from previous failed regimes, there are 4-5 core things, in no particular order, I want out of our next head coach. Certainly, there are a million and one other things to want out of a coach, but given our biggest failings with Schwartz, Caldwell, and now Patricia, these are some core elements to being successful. In the past I have really been hyped up by getting the "insert top young coordinator from the flavor of the month staff" and I have certainly cooled on that idea.

What I want out of our next Head Coach though are, among other things, the following . . .

1. Are you willing to adjust your scheme to fit the players currently on the roster?

2. Are you willing to take the most talented players in the draft even if they are not a perfect schematic fit for what you're trying to run?

3. Can you develop and ultimately command the respect of the players in the locker room?

4. Do you understand the rules of the NFL and can you manage the clock and your timeouts wisely?

5. Do you have an understanding of what makes a coordinator or position coach successful and if someone is failing to live up to expectations, are you willing to get rid of them, in spite of where your initial loyalties lie.

6. Actual player development of your draft picks. Our player development has been subpar, at best, for years and years. We've seen the stunted growth of several otherwise talented players in this organization. I want someone who themselves can be, or their staff, good at mentoring and coaching up rookie players. 

Coaching candidates I like but have no idea if they'll be any good . . .

NFL Coordinator Candidates

1. Robert Saleh/49'ers DC

2. Eric Bienemy/Chiefs OC

3. Arthur Smith/Titans OC

4. Greg Roman/Ravens OC, former 49'ers OC during their good years with Jim Harbaugh

5. Wink Martindale/Ravens DC

College Coaching Candidates

1. Lincoln Riley/Oklahoma Sooners

2. Urban Meyer/Unemployed

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If we end up with a top 3 pick this is where it could potentially really hurt not drafting Tua or Herbert in the first this past year.  If we drafted him in the first we'd already have our QB of the future and wouldn't need to "waste" a top 3 pick on a QB this year.  I think there is a clear drop off at QB after the top 3 and I think teams would pay heavily to get a Lawrence or Lance if he were available at our pick.  Of course just picking either player would be a fine consolation but I'd rather have Tua/Herbert plus potentially a ton of draft picks than Okudah and one of those QBs given all the holes on the team right now.  

With all that said if we do draft a QB with the pick and he ends up being alot better than Tua I guess ultimately it would've paid off for us but on the surface I would feel better right now if we already had our next QB with Tua and were able to do whatever we wanted with our pick this year if it indeed does end up at the top of the draft.  As it stands now I feel like we'd have to take QB no matter what and couldn't consider trading down no matter how sweet that package could end up being.  

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Lions will be at least 6-5, maybe 7-4, after the thanksgiving game. Great position to make a run at the third wild card. 

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13 minutes ago, Shelton said:

Lions will be at least 6-5, maybe 7-4, after the thanksgiving game. Great position to make a run at the third wild card. 

says the guy who said the tigers would make the playoffs.

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I guess anything is possible with the upcoming schedule and nature of the NFL but for the Lions to go 5-2 or 6-1 the next 7 games they are going to need some good fortune and the 2019 Matthew Stafford back.  I wouldn't bet on either happening.  

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49 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

I guess anything is possible with the upcoming schedule and nature of the NFL but for the Lions to go 5-2 or 6-1 the next 7 games they are going to need some good fortune and the 2019 Matthew Stafford back.  I wouldn't bet on either happening.  

the bears have sucked up all the luck in the league.  there is none left for any other team.

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I  know we totally got bit the *** last time we hired a former player turned TV guy with no front office experience in Millen but with that said how about Orvlosky for GM?

He is very analytical, in touch with today's game,  familiar with all the current NFL players/teams and seems to really care about the Lions and want them desperately to succeed.   

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NO WAY! Overlosky is incapable of properly and adequately criticizing his boy Matt Stafford. We'd be stuck with Stafford if he became GM.

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3 hours ago, Buddha said:

says the guy who said the tigers would make the playoffs.

Yes. The question is: is my current statement also a bit, or do I really believe it?

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29 minutes ago, Shelton said:

Yes. The question is: is my current statement also a bit, or do I really believe it?

your current statement about the lions is more plausible than your statement about the tigers because of the nature of football.

that said, i would be extremely surprised if the lions are 7-4 after thanksgiving.  i expect them to be 4-7 at best, and maybe worse than that.

and then the schedule gets harder.

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I'd be ok with 1-15. Get it over with, fast. Time to blow it up.

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13 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

I  know we totally got bit the *** last time we hired a former player turned TV guy with no front office experience in Millen but with that said how about Orvlosky for GM?

He is very analytical, in touch with today's game,  familiar with all the current NFL players/teams and seems to really care about the Lions and want them desperately to succeed.   

No front office experience, so no thanks. Need someone with experience team building around here. John Lynch is fantastic, but he fell into a great situation.

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A guy I would hire would be Rick Smith, the former GM of the Texans. He was the GM for 12 years.

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travis fulgham ripping it up again for the eagles today.  oh bob, can you ever get one right?

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well lions fans, would you trade matt stafford to dallas?  cause dak prescott just snapped his leg in half and isnt going to be playing for a while...

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On 10/9/2020 at 12:07 PM, RandyMarsh said:

If we end up with a top 3 pick this is where it could potentially really hurt not drafting Tua or Herbert in the first this past year.  If we drafted him in the first we'd already have our QB of the future and wouldn't need to "waste" a top 3 pick on a QB this year.  I think there is a clear drop off at QB after the top 3 and I think teams would pay heavily to get a Lawrence or Lance if he were available at our pick.  Of course just picking either player would be a fine consolation but I'd rather have Tua/Herbert plus potentially a ton of draft picks than Okudah and one of those QBs given all the holes on the team right now.  

With all that said if we do draft a QB with the pick and he ends up being alot better than Tua I guess ultimately it would've paid off for us but on the surface I would feel better right now if we already had our next QB with Tua and were able to do whatever we wanted with our pick this year if it indeed does end up at the top of the draft.  As it stands now I feel like we'd have to take QB no matter what and couldn't consider trading down no matter how sweet that package could end up being.  

This is only true if you think Hibbert/Tua are better than Lawrence or Fields. Not many talent evaluators think that

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On 10/9/2020 at 10:31 AM, Mr.TaterSalad said:

 

NFL Coordinator Candidates

1. Robert Saleh/49'ers DC

2. Eric Bienemy/Chiefs OC

3. Arthur Smith/Titans OC

4. Greg Roman/Ravens OC, former 49'ers OC during their good years with Jim Harbaugh

5. Wink Martindale/Ravens DC

College Coaching Candidates

1. Lincoln Riley/Oklahoma Sooners

2. Urban Meyer/Unemployed

Pretty good list, some other names that will be on the Coordinator list: Daboll, Leftwhich, Van Pelt. 

I'm leaning to a college coach. Lots of other names there too from Stoops, Franklin. Fleck, Mullen, brian kelly and who knows about Dabo if you have the #1 pick (and before you po-po why would X coach leave Y school for the lions? they are all egomaniacs, you can offer personnel control and who knows what happens to their pay/departments in the next 12 months as college athletics feel teh covid crunch)

Also I wouldn't trade Galladay. You need good targets for a rookie QB. 

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1 hour ago, Keepleyland2 said:

Pretty good list, some other names that will be on the Coordinator list: Daboll, Leftwhich, Van Pelt. 

I'm leaning to a college coach. Lots of other names there too from Stoops, Franklin. Fleck, Mullen, brian kelly and who knows about Dabo if you have the #1 pick (and before you po-po why would X coach leave Y school for the lions? they are all egomaniacs, you can offer personnel control and who knows what happens to their pay/departments in the next 12 months as college athletics feel teh covid crunch)

Also I wouldn't trade Galladay. You need good targets for a rookie QB. 

dabo isnt going to the nfl, if he did it would be a pay cut.

franklin?  from penn state?  omg no. dude is terrible coach and a great recruiter, he's perfect in college but not in the nfl.  no way.  not sure pj fleck's bit would make it in the nfl either.

kelly you hear about all the time.  lincoln reilly too.

i get the feeling that the lions are not going to be the top spot for an aspiring head coach.  they have a (now aging) qb and a team that is devoid of talent on defense.  this is going to be a gut job.

dont get me wrong, someone will definitely jump at the shot to coach in the nfl, but guys who are going to have their pick of jobs (like bienemy) are going elsewhere.

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54 minutes ago, Buddha said:

i get the feeling that the lions are not going to be the top spot for an aspiring head coach.  they have a (now aging) qb and a team that is devoid of talent on defense.  this is going to be a gut job.

Yeah - I don't think they are likely to score their 1st or even 3rd choice at coach or GM. This franchise has been where careers come to die for 50 yrs. Why would you saddle your future to this jockey killer of a team if you were good enough to get a better ride somewhere else?

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20 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Yeah - I don't think they are likely to score their 1st or even 3rd choice at coach or GM. This franchise has been where careers come to die for 50 yrs. Why would you saddle your future to this jockey killer of a team if you were good enough to get a better ride somewhere else?

when they hired quinn i think they were a good choice.  you have an owner that never fires anyone and you had a starting qb in his prime.  that's a pretty good situation to walk into.

unfortunately they picked quinn and now were back to rebuilding again.

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6 hours ago, Buddha said:

dabo isnt going to the nfl, if he did it would be a pay cut.

He's referring to Brian Daboll, the Buffalo Bills OC. The guy coaching up Josh Allen.

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