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18 minutes ago, Yoda said:

I call that a win-win. Hello to the Connecticut Ken Kaniffs. 

I am all for a team in Connecticut.  Montreal first though!  

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4 hours ago, tiger337 said:

They can add six teams.  That will add one team to each division and there would be an even number of teams in each division.  Is that 12 billion in expansion fees?  That would make the 14 team playoff more palatable and bring back a lot of minor league teams.  A possible downside is that it would dilute pitching staffs leading to even more home runs.  

Would there even be six viable groups / locations right now?  The fees would be welcome to MLB right now, but how are you going to fleece six metropolitan areas into building play pens for billionaire groups?

Fix the baseball and that probably offsets the pitching dilution to some extent.

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8 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Would there even be six viable groups / locations right now? 

That is not my problem!  Just give me Montreal.  

 

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12 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Would there even be six viable groups / locations right now?  The fees would be welcome to MLB right now, but how are you going to fleece six metropolitan areas into building play pens for billionaire groups?

Fix the baseball and that probably offsets the pitching dilution to some extent.

charlotte, vegas, nashville, portland...

austin or san antonio?  orlando?  indianapolis?  vancouver?  montreal again?  

mexico city?

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10 minutes ago, Buddha said:

charlotte, vegas, nashville, portland...

austin or san antonio?  orlando?  indianapolis?  vancouver?  montreal again?  

mexico city?

I don't know about Orlando.  Florida doesn't seem to like baseball very much.  

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4 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

That is not my problem!  Just give me Montreal.  

 

Hey, why don't you go out and buy team!

1 minute ago, Buddha said:

charlotte, vegas, nashville, portland...

austin or san antonio?  orlando?  indianapolis?  vancouver?  montreal again?  

mexico city?

Oh, sure, all of those locations look good on a map.  Portland is going to build a baseball stadium for a baseball team when they have not even supported a AAA team for a decade?

You're going to put a team in Orlando, meanwhile Tampa's stadium is a dump and Miami can't draw anyone to its new stadium?  And what about Oakland's stadium issues?  (Although, I guess to be fair, these are obstacles that Manfred probably doesn't really care much about.)

Las Vegas?  It'd be interesting to see how much of the gate is for area residents vs traveling folks looking for entertainment.

Indianapolis seems too close to Cincinnati, but maybe it would work, I don't know.

Charlotte and Nashville seem to make sense because of the growing fan base, and they're not too close to other MLB teams.

But, again, it sounds like Dombrowski kind of abruptly left the Nashville group to join Philadelphia.  Maybe he just prefers to go to a ready made franchise right now rather than go through the process of building one up which may not be a winner for a decade?  MLB is probably going to want to get through the next CBA before discussing expansion (or maybe not, who knows).  If MLB announces today that they are expanding, we're talking, what 2022 or 2023?

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2 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

I don't know about Orlando.  Florida doesn't seem to like baseball very much.  

i dont think you can have orlando and tampa so close to each other, but orlando does have a natural tie-in with disney and the population is booming.

i think tampa could actually work if you got out of that ridiculously bad stadium.  build a new one in orlando and move the team there.

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2 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Hey, why don't you go out and buy team!

Oh, sure, all of those locations look good on a map.  Portland is going to build a baseball stadium for a baseball team when they have not even supported a AAA team for a decade?

You're going to put a team in Orlando, meanwhile Tampa's stadium is a dump and Miami can't draw anyone to its new stadium?  And what about Oakland's stadium issues?  (Although, I guess to be fair, these are obstacles that Manfred probably doesn't really care much about.)

Las Vegas?  It'd be interesting to see how much of the gate is for area residents vs traveling folks looking for entertainment.

Indianapolis seems too close to Cincinnati, but maybe it would work, I don't know.

Charlotte and Nashville seem to make sense because of the growing fan base, and they're not too close to other MLB teams.

But, again, it sounds like Dombrowski kind of abruptly left the Nashville group to join Philadelphia.  Maybe he just prefers to go to a ready made franchise right now rather than go through the process of building one up which may not be a winner for a decade?  MLB is probably going to want to get through the next CBA before discussing expansion (or maybe not, who knows).  If MLB announces today that they are expanding, we're talking, what 2022 or 2023?

just throwing around ideas, i'm not on the chamber of commerce for those cities or anything.

you put the teams where the people are.  those areas are growing and are likely to continue to grow.

as for dombrowski, he was in nashville likely because they paid him a ton of money and he had no other immediate prospects.  as soon as one opened up, he left.  i wouldnt read too much into it.

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2 minutes ago, Charles Liston said:

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The fabric is a quality material.

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52 minutes ago, Buddha said:

i think tampa could actually work if you got out of that ridiculously bad stadium.  build a new one in orlando and move the team there.

Isn’t the Tampa baseball organization stuck in a lease that they’ve been unable to negotiate out of where they are...for years? I did know the details but it’s been a while back. I do wonder how well they would draw anywhere in Florida. Miami has a brand new park and nobody shows up. The Rays may be better off elsewhere. I’d go with a Montreal move as well. 

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10 minutes ago, 1776 said:

Isn’t the Tampa baseball organization stuck in a lease that they’ve been unable to negotiate out of where they are...for years? I did know the details but it’s been a while back. I do wonder how well they would draw anywhere in Florida. Miami has a brand new park and nobody shows up. The Rays may be better off elsewhere. I’d go with a Montreal move as well. 

miami is its own foreign country.  i think they'd do better in central florida.

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I really hope AJ Hinch has success here.  i'm worries that without a wizard like Dave Dombrowski we will eternally be screwed by the financial meanness of the Illtich kids

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1 hour ago, socaltiger said:

6 expansion options : Las Vegas, Nashville, Brooklyn, Montreal, Ontario/Riverside CA , and San Antonio

I know LA and New York are HUGE but would a third there would just feel weird. Would it even work? Isn't everyone in those areas that is willing to engage in baseball already a fan of one or the other team? I can't imagine the existing clubs would be too excited...

I think Charlotte or even portland is more likely than either of those

Does anyone know what kind of appetite there could be for baseball in other canadian metros like Vancouver or Calgary?

I'll also add San Juan to the conversation. How well attended were the Expos games when they played there?

 

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I looked it up, the Expos averaged 14,000 per game in a 19,000 seat stadium in San Juan in 2003 when they were still decent. 

Not too bad, could be better with an true home franchise.

 

Edit: actually pretty bad but better than I expected

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What about Oklahoma City?  They're a growing metro, don't have a lot of competition in terms of other entertainment, got a solid NCAA program in OSU and the fans seemed to really support their NBA team so they are probably passionate sports fans.  Would be the smallest market but somebody's gotta be that.  There's still over a million people plus another million in the Tulsa metro which is only a little over an hour away.  

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Montreal back in the mix would be great for the growth of the game and for shaking the cultural ignorance of American baseball fans.  I would love to have the likes of Mario Impemba or Matt Shepherd telling the people of Michigan about the local culture once per season.   Likewise, it wouldn't be terrible for them to have to travel into a Latin American city (San Juan/Mexico City/Havana) once a season.   Mind you that Havana should lay off frying people during baseball season.

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It’s not just about the number of people nearby. It’s also about the affluence of the market. The people who live there have to be able to afford a $50+ baseball experience per game, times 2+ million per year. That’s a tall order for a place like San Antonio, let alone San Juan or Havana.

Las Vegas is not a very affluent local market, but they’re a special case because of all the sweet, sweet gam(bl)ing money Baseball wants to get its hooks into. Plus game tickets will probably be included in tourist packages people coming into town will purchase.

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This next season stands to be another financial disappointment for MLB teams.  I’m thinking if they choose to accelerate expansion to 2022 or 2023, the choice will have more to do with where they can find deep pocketed ownership groups instead of which city may be best for the game. 

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35 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

This next season stands to be another financial disappointment for MLB teams.  I’m thinking if they choose to accelerate expansion to 2022 or 2023, the choice will have more to do with where they can find deep pocketed ownership groups instead of which city may be best for the game. 

You mean the answer is money?  I think that's been mentioned already.

Speaking of money, MLB is looking to dump 40 minor league teams.  Each possible expansion team would recoup some of those teams (maybe not the exact team in the exact league (as well as at least 40 major league minimum salary jobs).  So, what a AAA team, AA team, a couple of A teams, a couple of R teams?  6 minor teams in total?  Lee suggested 6 teams, 1 per division, and that seems like too much.  But the current owners would probably go for it, because cash now.  Players would probably go for it because those minor league jobs get recovered plus there are the major league contracts that are created.  It seems like too much player dilution at once, but I guess the possibility shouldn't be ruled out.

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1 hour ago, Casimir said:

You mean the answer is money?  I think that's been mentioned already.

Speaking of money, MLB is looking to dump 40 minor league teams.  Each possible expansion team would recoup some of those teams (maybe not the exact team in the exact league (as well as at least 40 major league minimum salary jobs).  So, what a AAA team, AA team, a couple of A teams, a couple of R teams?  6 minor teams in total?  Lee suggested 6 teams, 1 per division, and that seems like too much.  But the current owners would probably go for it, because cash now.  Players would probably go for it because those minor league jobs get recovered plus there are the major league contracts that are created.  It seems like too much player dilution at once, but I guess the possibility shouldn't be ruled out.

i'm guessing that some major league teams would gladly sell off some of their current minor league affiliates to any new expansion franchises.  i think the trend is going to be less minor league teams for each club.  they'll do a lot of the development themselves in house.

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2 hours ago, Buddha said:

i'm guessing that some major league teams would gladly sell off some of their current minor league affiliates to any new expansion franchises.  i think the trend is going to be less minor league teams for each club.  they'll do a lot of the development themselves in house.

I don’t know that major/minor arrangement is like that for all teams.  The Tigers don’t own the Mud Hens, but they do have a working agreement with each other.

Plus, if those 40 teams are jettisoned before this season and expansion ain’t happening now, who would the current MLB teams sell the minor league teams to?

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