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1 hour ago, Yoda said:

Is it a problem that pitchers "waste" pitches in the dirt? I think it's part of pitching and I don't really see a need to get rid of that. 

I don’t know if it’s a problem. But I do think you’d get more hittable pitches in the zone if a pitcher is worried about spiking a pitch or letting a slider get away from him. More hittable pitches means more balls in play and more baserunners and more “action” like everyone seems to want. 
 

And I also think anyone with average speed would have a lot of incentive to take off for first on a ball heading for the backstop. Getting on base is still getting on base, and you would only need to be as successful as you expect to be in the rest of your at bat. Down 0-2 in the count, you think willi Castro wouldn’t take off for first? 
 

I think you guys are nuts if you think this would be limited to billy Hamilton types. 
 

this might be the best rule change ever proposed.

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The best rule change ever proposed was that one where each team would have seven batters and games would last seven innings.  There would be more good at bats and games would finish quicker.  

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Try to get to first after any pitch...interesting.  Presumably I, as the batter, can leave whenever I want to.  I don't have to wait to see if the catcher misses it.  I don't even have to wait until the pitcher releases it?  If that is the case, perhaps a guy like Billy Hamilton really could steal first base.

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1 hour ago, tiger337 said:

The best rule change ever proposed was that one where each team would have seven batters and games would last seven innings.  There would be more good at bats and games would finish quicker.  

I'd be ok with that.  I was starting to grow fond of those 7 inning double header games this year.  

With having less batters you could still compare individual seasons across different eras cause even though there would be less innings guys should still get around the same number of at bats. 

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3 hours ago, tiger337 said:

Yeah, I am not seeing a good reason for it either.  Most batters won't try it anyway, but I don't think it adds anything.  I would rather they focus on things which I think need fixing: (1) game is getting too slow (2) not enough balls in play.  

Agree.

2 hours ago, tiger337 said:

The best rule change ever proposed was that one where each team would have seven batters and games would last seven innings.  There would be more good at bats and games would finish quicker.  

This idea sucks out loud.

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2 hours ago, tiger337 said:

The best rule change ever proposed was that one where each team would have seven batters and games would last seven innings.  There would be more good at bats and games would finish quicker.  

I’m good with this if they also use seven guys on the field. Get it done DD. 

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32 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

I'd be ok with that.  I was starting to grow fond of those 7 inning double header games this year.  

With having less batters you could still compare individual seasons across different eras cause even though there would be less innings guys should still get around the same number of at bats. 

Yes, because everything else between eras is the same

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11 minutes ago, Shelton said:

I’m good with this if they also use seven guys on the field. Get it done DD. 

Plus the pitcher.  There will be lots of doubles and triples and crazy shifting.  I like it!  

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44 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

I'd be ok with that.  I was starting to grow fond of those 7 inning double header games this year.  

With having less batters you could still compare individual seasons across different eras cause even though there would be less innings guys should still get around the same number of at bats. 

More doubleheaders and more complete games.  

And you are right about being able to compare across eras.  There are lots of differences between eras, but this scheme would at least give batters the same opportunities.

I don't actually want them to do this, but if we are discussing theoretical stuff that's not going to happen, I think this makes some sense.  Or we could just discuss who the Tigers should pick in the Rule 5 draft.    

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I wonder if the Tigs will consider Eddie Rosario? OF, middle of the order LHB, maybe not a long term commitment needed initially - but, if it works, it could be turned into such and is just 29 yrs old...

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1 hour ago, Alex said:

I wonder if the Tigs will consider Eddie Rosario? OF, middle of the order LHB, maybe not a long term commitment needed initially - but, if it works, it could be turned into such and is just 29 yrs old...

Reminds me a bit of LH Nick C.  I’d take a flyer on him—he’s an upgrade over Reyes and Stewart. Won’t cost anything in terms of trade capital or salary.

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5 hours ago, Shelton said:

I don’t know if it’s a problem. But I do think you’d get more hittable pitches in the zone if a pitcher is worried about spiking a pitch or letting a slider get away from him. More hittable pitches means more balls in play and more baserunners and more “action” like everyone seems to want. 
 

And I also think anyone with average speed would have a lot of incentive to take off for first on a ball heading for the backstop. Getting on base is still getting on base, and you would only need to be as successful as you expect to be in the rest of your at bat. Down 0-2 in the count, you think willi Castro wouldn’t take off for first? 
 

I think you guys are nuts if you think this would be limited to billy Hamilton types. 
 

this might be the best rule change ever proposed.

On the 3-strike rule, does the batter reach 1st base at a higher rate than the average OBP? I'd wager they don't come close. No way anyone other than the Hamilton type try it. Maybe on occasion against a hot pitcher. 

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2 hours ago, Shelton said:

I’m good with this if they also use seven guys on the field. Get it done DD. 

How about one inning per game fielders aren't allowed to use gloves! 

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42 minutes ago, Yoda said:

On the 3-strike rule, does the batter reach 1st base at a higher rate than the average OBP? I'd wager they don't come close. No way anyone other than the Hamilton type try it. Maybe on occasion against a hot pitcher. 

I think that the average missed 3rd strike doesn't get very far from the catcher, and the baserunner has no chance.  On balls to the backstop I think that the success rate approaches 100%.

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9 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

Reminds me a bit of LH Nick C.  I’d take a flyer on him—he’s an upgrade over Reyes and Stewart. Won’t cost anything in terms of trade capital or salary.

Actually, I wonder at this time, who might have more upside NMazara or ERosario? Nomar is actually 3 years younger, has a track record - but fell off last year. He would cost less at this time. Yet, Eddie has had the more recent success.

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9 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

Reminds me a bit of LH Nick C.  I’d take a flyer on him—he’s an upgrade over Reyes and Stewart. Won’t cost anything in terms of trade capital or salary.

Probably cost about 9 mil in arb. I'd grab him, likely as good as you are going to get this year, only one year commit. Very good hitter, probably average lf, doesn't walk much.

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21 hours ago, Yoda said:

But what was his vorp? 

Say that around your Swedish grandmother and she’ll wash your mouth out with tvål.

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13 hours ago, tiger337 said:

Plus the pitcher.  There will be lots of doubles and triples and crazy shifting.  I like it!  

Seven guys in the field might spur more contact hitting, guys just putting the ball in play, since there would be a way better chance of hitting safely. Swing and miss would become a lot a lot more valuable, so pitching changes, time between pitches and pitcher injuries would probably increase.

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10 hours ago, Yoda said:

On the 3-strike rule, does the batter reach 1st base at a higher rate than the average OBP? I'd wager they don't come close. No way anyone other than the Hamilton type try it. Maybe on occasion against a hot pitcher. 

It might depend on where and how fast the ball is moving towards the backstop. If it’s a fast ball that crosses up the catcher, it’ll get to the backstop right behind the catcher in a hurry and maybe not even Billy Hamilton would try it. If it’s a breaking ball that deflects off the catcher and bounces mid-speed over toward the third base side of the backstop, I could see batters with average speed giving it a try.

It might also depend on the count. If it’s a 2-0 pitch and it’s ball three and gets past the catcher, the batter might be less likely to try an iffy proposition than if he swings and misses on 0-1.

The score and how their pitcher is doing might be a factor. If it’s the seventh inning and we’re losing 1-0 and their pitcher is hot, like you say, I might be more inclined to try it than if the score is 8-7 and we are generally clobbering their pitchers.

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I would also think there would have to be a non-perishable go/no go line established somewhere up the first base line, some number of feet up from the plate. Cross that line, and you’re committed to going to first. I don’t think we could use the batter’s box as the line because it’s too small, plus much of the box gets obscured during the course of the game.

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23 minutes ago, chasfh said:

It might depend on where and how fast the ball is moving towards the backstop

or if you are at Target field where a ball that hits the stone facade of the stands will bounce right back to the catcher! We've seen more than one runner thrown out there when they thought they had an easy base on a passed ball!

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How about we get rid of the most boring event in baseball?  Foul balls.  Instead of nothing happening on foul balls, they will either be balls or strikes regardless of the count.  If the ball is fouled back, it's a strike.  If it is hit forward, it's a ball.       

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Rosario seems like a decent get on the surface.  What strikes me as odd, are some of his splits.  He is a career .804 OPS against Detroit, but only .710  in Detroit.  Sample size?  Metrodome exhaust system?  Stellar Tiger pitching at home (that we've all missed)?

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2 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

How about we get rid of the most boring event in baseball?  Foul balls.  Instead of nothing happening on foul balls, they will either be balls or strikes regardless of the count.  If the ball is fouled back, it's a strike.  If it'***** forward, it's a ball.       

I don't mind the foul balls.  I think a hitter's ability to foul a pitch off with 2 strikes in order to get to a better pitch is a commendable skill (or darn good folklore).

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