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20 hours ago, tiger337 said:

8+ strikeouts in 6 of 8 starts does not sound impressive to me.  I am not saying he wouldn't be a great pick.  It's just kind of an odd stat.    

Yawn. Let me know when he sets a career high in innings. Or when he and his teammates combine for a complete game.

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2 hours ago, Edman85 said:

Yawn. Let me know when he sets a career high in innings. Or when he and his teammates combine for a complete game.

Can he sacrifice bunt?  Those interleague games on the road count as much as a game with the DH.

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12 hours ago, tiger337 said:

That sounds a lot more impressive.  Also, only 1.3 BB/9

Rocker has 11.1 SO/9 in his college career.  That also sounds more impressive than 8+ K in 6 of 8 games.  

 

Well he pitches about six innings in those starts so.... it equals about 12 per 9

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7 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

Well he pitches about six innings in those starts so.... it equals about 12 per 9

So, just say he got 12K per 9 innings rather than trying to be clever with a meaningless stat.   I was left wondering what happened in those two games where he didn't get 8K and I also didn't know how many innings he pitched.  

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37 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

So, just say he got 12K per 9 innings rather than trying to be clever with a meaningless stat.   I was left wondering what happened in those two games where he didn't get 8K and I also didn't know how many innings he pitched.  

NCAA K's don't much interest me anyway without looking more closely at what pitches guys are going down on. Look at Mize - his reliance on the splitter in college was not a good predictor of his ability to get guys out at the pro level. I'd rather see a guy getting fewer K's but getting them on fastball movement in the K zone than breaking balls out of the K zone that MLB hitters are going to lay off of.

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8 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

NCAA K's don't much interest me anyway without looking more closely at what pitches guys are going down on. Look at Mize - his reliance on the splitter in college was not a good predictor of his ability to get guys out at the pro level. I'd rather see a guy getting fewer K's but getting them on fastball movement in the K zone than breaking balls out of the K zone that MLB hitters are going to lay off of.

That brings up a question about NCAA hitters and pitchers.  Which group is more advanced?  I suspect the hitters are more advanced because it is my impression, based on limited personal experience, that the coaching of HS pitchers is greatly inferior to the coaching of HS hitters.  Pitching is more of an art, perhaps.  Accordingly, I posit that NCAA hitters arrive as Freshman in better development stead than their pitching colleagues.  Physical maturity may have different effects on the development of hitters and pitchers, too.

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10 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

NCAA K's don't much interest me anyway without looking more closely at what pitches guys are going down on. Look at Mize - his reliance on the splitter in college was not a good predictor of his ability to get guys out at the pro level. I'd rather see a guy getting fewer K's but getting them on fastball movement in the K zone than breaking balls out of the K zone that MLB hitters are going to lay off of.

I agree.  College stats are mostly meaningless for projection without a lot of context. That's why I let people with scouting knowledge of the players in question tell me who the good college prospects are.   

Somebody could just be interested in college baseball without projecting into the future though.  In that case, the 8+ K in 6 of 8 starts is not a great way to describe his performance.     

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2 hours ago, diaspora04 said:

That brings up a question about NCAA hitters and pitchers.  Which group is more advanced?  I suspect the hitters are more advanced because it is my impression, based on limited personal experience, that the coaching of HS pitchers is greatly inferior to the coaching of HS hitters.  Pitching is more of an art, perhaps.  Accordingly, I posit that NCAA hitters arrive as Freshman in better development stead than their pitching colleagues.  Physical maturity may have different effects on the development of hitters and pitchers, too.

This is an interesting point. Strength is a big part of effective hitting but reflex and vision are just as important and those probably are peaked by 18 yrs old. Pitchers don't relay on reflex speed at all, other than for dodging line drives when they  aren't pitching well. 😱

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1 hour ago, tiger337 said:

So, just say he got 12K per 9 innings rather than trying to be clever with a meaningless stat.   I was left wondering what happened in those two games where he didn't get 8K and I also didn't know how many innings he pitched.  

Your asking a lot of a college intern working from home while taking classes. 

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32 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

Your asking a lot of a college intern working from home while taking classes. 

There's a new thing called google where you can look up his k rate and innings pitched.  It takes just a few seconds.  

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1 hour ago, tiger337 said:

I agree.  College stats are mostly meaningless for projection without a lot of context. That's why I let people with scouting knowledge of the players in question tell me who the good college prospects are.   

Somebody could just be interested in college baseball without projecting into the future though.  In that case, the 8+ K in 6 of 8 starts is not a great way to describe his performance.     

There is a role for college stats though. Scouting resources are limited, so an analytics staff that can parse the data and find diamonds in the rough for scouts to prioritize is potentially huge.

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17 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

There is a role for college stats though. Scouting resources are limited, so an analytics staff that can parse the data and find diamonds in the rough for scouts to prioritize is potentially huge.

Sure, stats are part of scouting, but they have data which I don't have.  I don't think there is much to be learned from the freely available data.  

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6 hours ago, tiger337 said:

Sure, stats are part of scouting, but they have data which I don't have.  I don't think there is much to be learned from the freely available data.  

I know. I know you know.  Just wanted to add that context.

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Tork cut his right index finger opening a can. Required a few stitches. Won’t throw or bat for a few days. Tiger luck.

 

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38 minutes ago, 1776 said:

Tork cut his right index finger opening a can. Required a few stitches. Won’t throw or bat for a few days. Tiger luck.

 

How difficult is it to open a jar of peanut butter? 

He and Greene and Rogers are sharing a place for spring training.  Make Rogers do the dangerous stuff.

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2 minutes ago, Casimir said:

How difficult is it to open a jar of peanut butter? 

He and Greene and Rogers are sharing a place for spring training.  Make Rogers do the dangerous stuff.

How about those bonus babies buy an actual can opener?  

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15 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

How about those bonus babies buy an actual can opener?  

Probably too busy tick tocking while trying to open the peanut butter jar.  Stupid kids....

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24 minutes ago, Casimir said:

How difficult is it to open a jar of peanut butter? 

He and Greene and Rogers are sharing a place for spring training.  Make Rogers do the dangerous stuff.

When Adduci, Lewicki and Barbato were rooming together one spring, Barbato used to open their beer bottles with his eye socket.  

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12 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

When Adduci, Lewicki and Barbato were rooming together one spring, Barbato used to open their beer bottles with his eye socket.  

Who was that in real life?  Joe Charboneau?

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12 minutes ago, Charles Liston said:

Who was that in real life?  Joe Charboneau?

Yes, Charboneau did that.  

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I was about to mock Torkelson, but it does seem like can openers just fail at the most inopportune times.

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