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2 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

There are lot of exceptions.  Tall pitchers have a natural advantage over short pitchers, but if you already know a short pitcher has the tools, why worry about his height?  

I'm hardly going to argue they shouldn't take Pedro 2.0.  Scouts and talent evaluators should worry about a lot regarding these investments in draft picks, cash and time.   I'm feeling good about Fetter. I hope he has a say in the picks for pitchers. 

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3 hours ago, cruzer1 said:

Really early but, starting to sound like:

1. Pit- Jordan Lawler SS

2. Tex- Jack Leiter RHP

3. Tigers- Kumar Rocker RHP

Personnally, I'm fine with Rocker. I don't see Leiter dropping to us if he's throwing 96+.

I will be severely happy with any of the three.

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I have no data or insights to support this, but I feel like Rocker is a serious arm injury waiting to happen.  

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1 hour ago, tiger337 said:

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Did we ever agree (as a forum for the most part) that his 2 year stretch was the most Dominant in baseball pitching history?

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In seasons past, we were spoiled by @hueytaxi's spring training photography.  It was a beacon light for those of us still in the winter climates.

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6 minutes ago, John_Brian_K said:

Did we ever agree (as a forum for the most part) that his 2 year stretch was the most Dominant in baseball pitching history?

He's definitely on the short list.  Walter Johnson 1912-1913 is another contender.  

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On 2/22/2021 at 11:32 AM, tiger337 said:

As I was looking at starter reliever splits, I noticed that the gap between relievers and starters has closed a lot the last couple of years and in 2020 they were pretty much equal.  This is interesting to me.  I haven't looked into it deeply, but it could be that starter ERAs are getting better because pitchers are getting pulled sooner.  Or maybe it's just a blip.  Certainly last year doesn't tell us much, but they were pretty close in 2019 too which surprised me.  

Edit: I just found this here:  https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/for-decades-relievers-pitched-better-than-starters-not-anymore/

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The theory is that relievers are pitching such a large proportion of innings now and there are not enough good ones, so that the sum of all the relievers is now no better than the sum of the starters.  Perhaps, one inning relief pitcher specialization has reached is limit of utility.  

Another theory could be that in the new launch angle homer-or-strikeout landscape, shortened starter stints plus the emergence of the opener have pitchers coming out breathing fire from Pitch One of the game—knowing they're coming out after a planned number of pitches or else at the earliest sign of trouble—rather than pacing themselves and pitching to contact so they can last six innings.

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19 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

Didn't realize he had that in him,  would love for him to fall to us.

Yes, because we don't have enough pitching in the system. More pitching, please. 😶

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24 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

He's definitely on the short list.

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1 hour ago, tiger337 said:

He's definitely on the short list.  Walter Johnson 1912-1913 is another contender.  

I remember back in 2012 or so I was trying to argue JV belonged on that list and tried comparing it to Pedros 2 year run.  We had some good discussion about it back then IIRC, but I was an idiot for comparing the 2.

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1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Yes, because we don't have enough pitching in the system. More pitching, please. 😶

We have "the big 3" but there is a huge drop off after that plus we have gone bat heavy the past few drafts so we need to start restocking the pitching side.   

Btw don't understand why you always feel the need to respond with a smart-*** comment when responding to something you disagree with. 

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11 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

We have "the big 3" but there is a huge drop off after that plus we have gone bat heavy the past few drafts so we need to start restocking the pitching side.   

Btw don't understand why you always feel the need to respond with a smart-*** comment when responding to something you disagree with. 

This is an opinion board, I don’t agree with the team putting so many eggs in the pitching basket, and that’s my opinion. So we don’t agree. So what? Don’t take it personally. I’m crticizing the team’s direction, not you the person.

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This is an opinion board?  I thought it was a smart *** comment board.  

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4 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

This is an opinion board?  I thought it was a smart *** comment board.  

It’s like criticizing a dog in a dog pound for barking. 

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25 minutes ago, chasfh said:

This is an opinion board, I don’t agree with the team putting so many eggs in the pitching basket, and that’s my opinion. So we don’t agree. So what? Don’t take it personally. I’m crticizing the team’s direction, not you the person.

I can totally understand that view, I disagree with it cause I feel they don't have as much pitching as you think but that's cool. 

The smart-*** comment wasn't cause you had an opinion or disagreed it was the response of "yeah cause we don't have enough pitching in the system, more pitching please" followed by that emoji.  If you just said "I feel they have enough pitching and need to go for more bats" I wouldn't have said anything but I felt your comment was condescending to me and snarky for no reason.  If it was the first time I would've kept quiet but I see it all the time and I just don't think its warranted.

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3 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

I have no data or insights to support this, but I feel like Rocker is a serious arm injury waiting to happen.  

Every pitcher is a serious arm injury waiting to happen.

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50 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

I can totally understand that view, I disagree with it cause I feel they don't have as much pitching as you think but that's cool. 

The smart-*** comment wasn't cause you had an opinion or disagreed it was the response of "yeah cause we don't have enough pitching in the system, more pitching please" followed by that emoji.  If you just said "I feel they have enough pitching and need to go for more bats" I wouldn't have said anything but I felt your comment was condescending to me and snarky for no reason.  If it was the first time I would've kept quiet but I see it all the time and I just don't think its warranted.

He could have said that, but he's a dog!

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So, what is the MTS consensus on Rogers' stache?

It kind of takes the attention away from his neck.  

 

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2 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

I can totally understand that view, I disagree with it cause I feel they don't have as much pitching as you think but that's cool. 

The smart-*** comment wasn't cause you had an opinion or disagreed it was the response of "yeah cause we don't have enough pitching in the system, more pitching please" followed by that emoji.  If you just said "I feel they have enough pitching and need to go for more bats" I wouldn't have said anything but I felt your comment was condescending to me and snarky for no reason.  If it was the first time I would've kept quiet but I see it all the time and I just don't think its warranted.

It wasn't meant to be condescending or snarky to you. I'm just sick of seeing the Tigers throw their top picks into pitching. I know the last two were not pitchers, but 12 of their last 17 first round picks have been pitchers, more than any other franchise, with only the Braves and Nats even close.

Going back to when Ilitch bought the team, the Tigers have used 22 of their 32 first round picks on pitchers, again, way more than anyone else. Verlander is a Hall of Famer, a one in 32 pick. Porcello and Weaver were 10-WAR pitchers for us before moving on. Miller and Knebel did nothing until they left. Excepting the incomplete report cards for the most recent picks, all the rest of them were complete busts.

This system is widely criticized for being too shallow and too short on position players, and I just don't want to see them use their 1-3 on another pitcher. Enough with the pitching for the moment. We need more impact position prospects now.

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49 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

So, what is the MTS consensus on Rogers' stache?

It kind of takes the attention away from his neck.  

 

He should have kept the beard, then he wouldn't look so much like a giraffe.

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4 hours ago, tiger337 said:

He's definitely on the short list.  Walter Johnson 1912-1913 is another contender.  

Koufax, Maddux and Randy Johnson had historic stretches as well. I knoe w-l are no longer factored much but Johnson once won 44 out of 50 decisions. But I think Pedro's stretch is likely #1 because he was so far ahead of any other ace of that era.

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1 hour ago, tiger337 said:

So, what is the MTS consensus on Rogers' stache?

It kind of takes the attention away from his neck.  

 

he should be free to express his alternate lifestyle 

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1 hour ago, Longgone said:

Every pitcher is a serious arm injury waiting to happen.

True

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19 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

True

Justin Verlander being an example of having gotten as much as possible out of a pitcher before the first real career limiting injury.  

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