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17 minutes ago, Buddha said:

98 is below average for a starting pitcher, which is what he's been for almost all of his career.

he has been healthy for most of it, so that's a positive.

i dont think the proper comparison for porcello is "every pitcher in baseball" like lee is saying.  i think its better to see him compared with other starters.  and compared to them he's been below average for most of his career.  especially lately.

 

ERA+ (your statistic of choice) does compare him to every pitcher in baseball, including the majority of pitchers who are not good enough to start on a regular basis.  Relievers usually have better ERAs than starters, so if you only compare Porcello to starters, his ERA+ would be higher than 98.  I am arguing that he has been pretty good for his career, basically a number three starter as Gehringer said. 

He may very well be past his peak and be worse from this point on.  If that's the case he might lose his starting job and be one of those below average pitchers who is not good enough to start.  I'd take a chance on him on a one year deal though.  

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15 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

Maddon won a ring in spite of himself.  I don't recall a World Series with more questionable decision making than when the Cubs won.

maddon was very close to being the new "goat" curse.  his handling of pitchers in game seven was a complete joke.

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As I was looking at starter reliever splits, I noticed that the gap between relievers and starters has closed a lot the last couple of years and in 2020 they were pretty much equal.  This is interesting to me.  I haven't looked into it deeply, but it could be that starter ERAs are getting better because pitchers are getting pulled sooner.  Or maybe it's just a blip.  Certainly last year doesn't tell us much, but they were pretty close in 2019 too which surprised me.  

Edit: I just found this here:  https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/for-decades-relievers-pitched-better-than-starters-not-anymore/

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The theory is that relievers are pitching such a large proportion of innings now and there are not enough good ones, so that the sum of all the relievers is now no better than the sum of the starters.  Perhaps, one inning relief pitcher specialization has reached is limit of utility.  

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4 minutes ago, Buddha said:

maddon was very close to being the new "goat" curse.  his handling of pitchers in game seven was a complete joke.

yes, that was my recollection as well.

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33 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

The theory is that relievers are pitching such a large proportion of innings now and there are not enough good ones, so that the sum of all the relievers is now no better than the sum of the starters.

sounds right. Three man rule and loss of use of situational lefties could be in play also - but that would only increase the effect for last season.

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Kumar Rocker is going to be an overhyped bust.  You can tell by his name.  

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24 minutes ago, Buddha said:

i thought we were fubaring for kumar?

Nope, losses for Lawlar

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i’m very interested in Riley Green and Tork’s spring.  Well, also very interested in the minor leaguers who didn’t play last year (e.g., Kody Klemens).

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1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said:

Didn't realize he had that in him,  would love for him to fall to us.

They're in a pretty good spot at 3. Either pitcher (or the LSU one) or the top bat will be there at 3. They take which ever one is left. 

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31 minutes ago, ROMAD1 said:

i’m very interested in Riley Green and Tork’s spring.  Well, also very interested in the minor leaguers who didn’t play last year (e.g., Kody Klemens).

Guys I’m looking for a rebound from are Nick Quintana, Parker Meadows, Wenceel Perez and Roger’s boy.

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1 minute ago, Tenacious D said:

Guys I’m looking for a rebound from are Nick Quintana, Parker Meadows, Wenceel Perez and Roger’s boy.

Oh, yes, Parker Meadows.

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I'm really interested in seeing if Franklin Perez can hold it together finally.   He's still only a young 23(turned it in December) and has top of the rotation stuff if he can just stay healthy.  I'm hoping this could be the year he does that.

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1 hour ago, Buddha said:

i thought we were fubaring for kumar?

We’re all a bunch of fubars.

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50 minutes ago, Keepleyland2 said:

They're in a pretty good spot at 3. Either pitcher (or the LSU one) or the top bat will be there at 3. They take which ever one is left. 

Yes.  They need talent, doesn’t matter where it plays.

But they need to also make some hay with the non first round picks, too.  I am still very intrigued about last season’s draft after Torkelson.  Would be really good if Torkelson becomes the real deal and if Dingler & one or two of the others became major league contributors.

Oh, heck, why not get greedy.  Torkelson becomes Torkelson and the other five draft picks become (at minimum) solid starters.

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58 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

I'm really interested in seeing if Franklin Perez can hold it together finally.   He's still only a young 23(turned it in December) and has top of the rotation stuff if he can just stay healthy.  I'm hoping this could be the year he does that.

I would like to see that too, but am wondering if it would be better to convert him to a reliever with the idea he could maybe stay healthy. Shorter stints, less wear and tear. Kind of giving up on the biggest value, but maybe salvaging a strong bullpen piece, since he has been so fragile.

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Really early but, starting to sound like:

1. Pit- Jordan Lawler SS

2. Tex- Jack Leiter RHP

3. Tigers- Kumar Rocker RHP

Personnally, I'm fine with Rocker. I don't see Leiter dropping to us if he's throwing 96+.

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2 hours ago, cruzer1 said:

Really early but, starting to sound like:

1. Pit- Jordan Lawler SS

2. Tex- Jack Leiter RHP

3. Tigers- Kumar Rocker RHP

Personnally, I'm fine with Rocker. I don't see Leiter dropping to us if he's throwing 96+.

Is Leiter really short for a SP?  I had heard that.  Though he throws through brick walls that's not a good thing.

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11 minutes ago, ROMAD1 said:

Is Leiter really short for a SP?  I had heard that.  Though he throws through brick walls that's not a good thing.

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2 minutes ago, ROMAD1 said:

exception to any rule

There are lot of exceptions.  Tall pitchers have a natural advantage over short pitchers, but if you already know a short pitcher has the tools, why worry about his height?  

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