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1 hour ago, tiger337 said:

It's because other people on the site have been saying he sucked his whole career which isn't true.  

other than one fluke season, porcello has never been a good pitcher.  he has on occasion been an average pitcher.  

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17 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

Yeah I think that is the main reason why many people underrated him.  Plus it didn't help that when he was here we had Verlander, Scherzer, Fister and Sanchez so it made him look that much worse.  

I began sobbing (metaphorically) when I read that just now.  Just amazes how much elite pitching this team used to have.  Then at a deadline they go out and get David Price.  Dave Dombrowski...and Mr. I...ugh...we need more like you.

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1 minute ago, ROMAD1 said:

I began sobbing (metaphorically) when I read that just now.  Just amazes how much elite pitching this team used to have.  Then at a deadline they go out and get David Price. 

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On paper that 2014 team was unreal.   Scherzer, Verlander, Price, Sanchez and Porcello in the rotation.  Lineup consisting of a near prime Miggy, Victor(who was 2nd in MVP voting that year), JD Martinez and Kinsler(5 WAR that year).  Unfortunately we had a terrible manager and no true reliable relievers which ultimately was our undoing.  

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14 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

On paper that 2014 team was unreal.   Scherzer, Verlander, Price, Sanchez and Porcello in the rotation.  Lineup consisting of a near prime Miggy, Victor(who was 2nd in MVP voting that year), JD Martinez and Kinsler(5 WAR that year).  Unfortunately we had a terrible manager and no true reliable relievers which ultimately was our undoing.  

Brad Ausmus should be forever tainted by his terribleness in the playoffs that year.

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40 minutes ago, Buddha said:

other than one fluke season, porcello has never been a good pitcher.  he has on occasion been an average pitcher.  

An average or slightly below average starter who averages 30 starts and 180 innings per year is a valuable asset.  Starting pitchers are in such high demand that if you take away a pitcher like that, you are most likely going to end up with a parade of horrific AAAA and not ready for prime time rookies.  

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13 hours ago, tiger337 said:

An average or slightly below average starter who averages 30 starts and 180 innings per year is a valuable asset.  Starting pitchers are in such high demand that if you take away a pitcher like that, you are most likely going to end up with a parade of horrific AAAA and not ready for prime time rookies.  

It will be interesting to see how league wide starting pitching goes this season.

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16 hours ago, ROMAD1 said:

Brad Ausmus should be forever tainted by his terribleness in the playoffs that year.

Between that and his inability to manage the greatest player of our lifetimes into the playoffs, I don't think he's coming back.

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11 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Between that and his inability to manage the greatest player of our lifetimes into the playoffs, I don't think he's coming back.

i remember that our Super Genius catcher James Mccannt was part of the problem 

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1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Between that and his inability to manage the greatest player of our lifetimes into the playoffs, I don't think he's coming back.

You mean Trout?  Did the greatest manager in the history of humankind get Trout into the expanded playoffs last season?

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2 hours ago, Casimir said:

You mean Trout?  Did the greatest manager in the history of humankind get Trout into the expanded playoffs last season?

I thought they were talking about Don Kelly

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10 hours ago, chasfh said:

Between that and his inability to manage the greatest player of our lifetimes into the playoffs, I don't think he's coming back.

It's unbelievable how many chances this man has had with good teams/great players, and couldnt accomplish a damn thing.

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On 2/20/2021 at 3:55 PM, Buddha said:

thank you!  i cant believe rick porcello has so many defenders on this site.

Is that what I'm doing?  I thought I was merely saying that he was useful....at least more useful than Wily Peralta, and probably Julio Teheran.

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20 hours ago, Casimir said:

You mean Trout?  Did the greatest manager in the history of humankind get Trout into the expanded playoffs last season?

He sure didn’t, but Maddon does have a ring plus a history with the Angels, so he gets more bites at that apple.

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Pitchers with closest similarity scores to Porcello:

Jon Garland

Frank Viola

Brad Radke

Mark Buehrle

Dennis Eckersley

Javier Vazquez

Scott Erickson

Ervin Santana

Livan Hernandez

Rick Wise

 

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27 minutes ago, chasfh said:

He sure didn’t, but Maddon does have a ring plus a history with the Angels, so he gets more bites at that apple.

One of the guys on MLB tonight was pushing the Angels as the AL West division favorite as they should score a ton of runs --  but unless Ohtani suddenly challenges for a CY do they have the starting pitching? 

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46 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

Pitchers with closest similarity scores to Porcello:

Jon Garland

Frank Viola

Brad Radke

Mark Buehrle

Dennis Eckersley

Javier Vazquez

Scott Erickson

Ervin Santana

Livan Hernandez

Rick Wise

 

erickson and garland maybe.  the rest?  lol.  eckersley?  is he planning on a late career resurgence as the greatest closer in history?  somehow i doubt it.

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Just now, Buddha said:

erickson and garland maybe.  the rest?  lol.  eckersley?  is he planning on a late career resurgence as the greatest closer in history?  somehow i doubt it.

This is up to age 31.  Not after 31.  

Did Erickson and Garland suck?  

 

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42 minutes ago, chasfh said:

He sure didn’t, but Maddon does have a ring plus a history with the Angels, so he gets more bites at that apple.

That's fine, I don't think there's an argument suggesting Maddon isn't a better manager than Ausmus.  But let's not stray from the fact that Trout's lack of playoff resume quite likely has more to do with the general manager and roster construction rather than the field manager.

Mike Scioscia won a World Series, yet the Angels made the playoffs in only one season in which Sciocia managed Trout.

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28 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

One of the guys on MLB tonight was pushing the Angels as the AL West division favorite as they should score a ton of runs --  but unless Ohtani suddenly challenges for a CY do they have the starting pitching? 

No, they don't and they should not be considered the favorites.  

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43 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

This is up to age 31.  Not after 31.  

Did Erickson and Garland suck?  

 

they were mostly below average pitchers who didnt walk anybody and didnt give up home runs but gave up tons of hits.

erickson got hurt after age 31 and garland fell off the map, btw.

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28 minutes ago, Buddha said:

they were mostly below average pitchers who didnt walk anybody and didnt give up home runs but gave up tons of hits.

erickson got hurt after age 31 and garland fell off the map, btw.

I am not sure what you mean by below average pitcher.  Porcello is below average compared to other pitchers who last in the starting rotation virtually every turn for 12 straight years.  However,  any starting pitcher who is good enough to keep getting 30 starts year after year under multiple conditions is a valuable asset.  So, he is below average is this group of valuable assets.  Porcello, Garland, Erickson and the like are better than most relievers who are essentially failed starters.  They are also better than guys are not good enough or healthy enough to stay in the rotation all year.  It's virtually impossible for a pitcher to stay in the starting rotation for 12 years and not be a pretty good pitcher.  

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21 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

I am not sure what you mean by below average pitcher.  Porcello is below average compared to other pitchers who last in the starting rotation virtually every turn for 12 straight years.  However,  any starting pitcher who is good enough to keep getting 30 starts year after year under multiple conditions is a valuable asset.  So, he is below average is this group of valuable assets.  Porcello, Garland, Erickson and the like are better than most relievers who are essentially failed starters.  They are also better than guys are not good enough or healthy enough to stay in the rotation all year.  It's virtually impossible for a pitcher to stay in the starting rotation for 12 years and not be a pretty good pitcher.  

Porcello's lifetime ERA+ is 98, which make him almost exactly the average pitcher. But it i agree that is it an above average accomplishment for a pitcher to have been at least average over 11 seasons. ERA+ 100 is basically your #3 starter. 

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40 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Porcello's lifetime ERA+ is 98, which make him almost exactly the average pitcher. But it i agree that is it an above average accomplishment for a pitcher to have been at least average over 11 seasons. ERA+ 100 is basically your #3 starter. 

98 is below average for a starting pitcher, which is what he's been for almost all of his career.

he has been healthy for most of it, so that's a positive.

i dont think the proper comparison for porcello is "every pitcher in baseball" like lee is saying.  i think its better to see him compared with other starters.  and compared to them he's been below average for most of his career.  especially lately.

i would not sign him this year unless its on some sort of minor league show me deal.

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3 hours ago, chasfh said:

He sure didn’t, but Maddon does have a ring plus a history with the Angels, so he gets more bites at that apple.

Maddon won a ring in spite of himself.  I don't recall a World Series with more questionable decision making than when the Cubs won.

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