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3 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

This might be the most troubling quote from Avila during the Rebuild

 

 

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What's wrong with it?

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5 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

Porcello seems like he'd be a perfect fit as long as he isn't demanding too much money.  His peripherals were better than his results and while he doesn't have the upside of a Paxton or Walker he has been remarkably durable throughout his career so he should at the very least give us a bunch of innings.   Even if he were to give us a 170IP of 5 ERA that would be a major improvement over what we were throwing out there last year.    

In total agreement here.

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1 minute ago, Alex said:

In total agreement here.

he's become the quintessential journeyman. With a good defense behind him he'd give you the chance to win a few. And depending on how it shakes out the Tigers could end up with a decent defense -though there is still plenty of uncertainty there.

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3 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

He can get to 10-15mph diff to his curve and change - I think with Porcello it's more just a matter than none of his pitches, starting with the FB are all that great and without a good FB the secondaries are just not as hard to pickup

In 2020, his fastball and slider made up 82% of his pitches, so the curve and his change aren't much help, especially since FG have them at negative run value.

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9 minutes ago, chasfh said:

In 2020, his fastball and slider made up 82% of his pitches, so the curve and his change aren't much help, especially since FG have them at negative run value.

2020 was a career anomaly though, he has been roughly 15% curve for several recent years then last year he dropped it and he certainly didn't pitch any better last year for having dropped it. Injury? Blisters? Pitching coach didn't like the pitch? Would he bring it back pitching somewhere else? 

I tend to take negative pitch values with a grain of salt - a guy may drop a pitch with a poor individual result only to find that all his other pitches suffer more in combination from the loss of the variety than the apparent cost of throwing a lower value pitch. It's kind of the same thing when I hear commentators talk about guys with wipe-out breaking balls -- it's often really the quality of their FB that makes that slider such a wipe-out pitch and strangely if they start losing that heater the sliders suddenly aren't so wipe-out.

 

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3 hours ago, Keepleyland2 said:

What's wrong with it?

In other words, we know we have to spend SOME money, but we're going to try it spending as little as possible. 

Not sure how you read it. 

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8 minutes ago, Yoda said:

In other words, we know we have to spend SOME money, but we're going to try it spending as little as possible. 

Not sure how you read it. 

I read it negatively, too.  If it was most GM's, I'd take it with a grain of salt, but Avila is the world's worst poker player, who usually says more than he should.  Anything short of adding a couple of impact players at positions of need (SS, SP,  OF) will be disappointing.  Way too many questions marks with the current team, that we will definitely need to be more aggressive via free agency and trade.  

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Just the fact that he had to mention "we want to build with only our own guys" says way more than "also we know we probably have to add some from the outside". Well, no ****. 

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I'm somewhat anxious to see how Fulmer looks his 2nd year removed from TJ. I think we can all agree that the ship has sailed on him being an ace or number 2 like we thought we may have had when he was a rookie but perhaps there's still some hope for him to be a decent back of the rotation guy.

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If you took a shot every time you read this, you would have a problem:

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After looking a bit puffy in 2019, Cabrera came to spring training in excellent shape last February. Avila said he hasn’t regained any of the lost weight.

“Last year he worked harder than ever. Physically, he looked better and felt better than ever. That has not changed. It’s been the same this year,” Avila said. “He’s not let down at all. If anything, he’s probably intensified the workout routine.”

 

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Last year Miggy had a pace that would have projected to 30hr and 100rbi. If he stays healthy (long shot) he might have an average dh productive year.

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22 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

I'd somewhat anxious to see how Fulmer looks his 2nd year removed from TJ. I think we can all agree that the ship has sailed on him being an ace or number 2 like we thought we may have had when he was a rookie but perhaps there's still some hope for him to be a decent back of the rotation guy.

Question 1: Has some velo has come back?

Question 2: can he throw an effective off speed (<85 mph) pitch?

Question 3: can he spin the ball better?

He can be effective with a yes for 1 & 2. Could be really good if yes on 3, but highly doubtful at this point in his career.

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2 hours ago, leflore said:

Last year Miggy had a pace that would have projected to 30hr and 100rbi. If he stays healthy (long shot) he might have an average dh productive year.

20/90 is feasible, if he can stay healthy all season, and he has Grossman and Candy (higher OPB guys) getting on in front of him.

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2 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

I'm somewhat anxious to see how Fulmer looks his 2nd year removed from TJ. I think we can all agree that the ship has sailed on him being an ace or number 2 like we thought we may have had when he was a rookie but perhaps there's still some hope for him to be a decent back of the rotation guy.

pulling for Fulmer.  clearly had the talent before, and just seems like a good dude.

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1 hour ago, Tenacious D said:

pulling for Fulmer.  clearly had the talent before, and just seems like a good dude.

He is the kind of guy that Fedder was brought here to help - a pitcher whose results have not been as good as his arm. For Fulmer this was true even before all the injuries. Assuming the Knee and the UCL both hold up, he should be back to where he was before the knee problems - which was exactly better arm than results.

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Need Fuller and Norris and Boyd to shine first half and trade all at the deadline. Assuming usable and good return. 

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3 minutes ago, socaltiger said:

Need Fuller and Norris and Boyd to shine first half and trade all at the deadline. Assuming usable and good return. 

Given the injury history it might be hard to get much for Fulmer based on half a season's performance. If Norris comes out the gate well he will have value, but might also be worth keeping. Boyd is a great guy, maybe if the ball is really deader he can be more successful but my expectations for him are modest. But I could see half the pitchers in the league with dead arms by August bidding up the price or pitching to where the Tigers could get a nice offer for any one with five fingers at the end of their arm.

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3 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Given the injury history it might be hard to get much for Fulmer based on half a season's performance. If Norris comes out the gate well he will have value, but might also be worth keeping. Boyd is a great guy, maybe if the ball is really deader he can be more successful but my expectations for him are modest. But I could see half the pitchers in the league with dead arms by August bidding up the price or pitching to where the Tigers could get a nice offer for any one with five fingers at the end of their arm.

the only one that will have trade value is Norris, and it will be limited because he's an impending free agent.  I don't think anyone will trust either Fulmer or Boyd, regardless of how good they look through July.  Hope to be proven wrong on all fronts.

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17 hours ago, Yoda said:

In other words, we know we have to spend SOME money, but we're going to try it spending as little as possible. 

Not sure how you read it. 

I read it as we want to develop our own talent, like every other big league team. We didn't want to spend just to spend but we except to start turnign it around next year so we'll look at signing guys not named Ivan Nova. 

To take it your way just leads me to believe you came in looking for something wrong with it. I don't read it as "spending as little as possible" at all

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I just read it as a generic comment from a GM working for a tightwad owner.  It wasn't really negative or positive.  

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4 hours ago, ROMAD1 said:

Porcello sign anywhere yet? 

Nope.  Though the Mets are going after Walker apparently.

If Porcello drops to a minor league contract, he'll be gone quick.

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40 minutes ago, clinker said:

Nope.  Though the Mets are going after Walker apparently.

If Porcello drops to a minor league contract, he'll be gone quick.

hope we get him and he can pitch as well as he did 

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9 hours ago, leflore said:

Last year Miggy had a pace that would have projected to 30hr and 100rbi. If he stays healthy (long shot) he might have an average dh productive year.

Not sure how to take last season.  Was he on pace for that because it was only two months and the normal season aches and pains didn’t get to him?  His OPS was basically the same as 2019.

Its been 4 seasons since he was an all star.  He’s basically been a very slightly above average hitter since.  We’ve talked in here before about him eventually dropping in the lineup.  There’s justification from his own performance to do that, but who on this replaces him in the batting slot?

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5 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Given the injury history it might be hard to get much for Fulmer based on half a season's performance. If Norris comes out the gate well he will have value, but might also be worth keeping. Boyd is a great guy, maybe if the ball is really deader he can be more successful but my expectations for him are modest. But I could see half the pitchers in the league with dead arms by August bidding up the price or pitching to where the Tigers could get a nice offer for any one with five fingers at the end of their arm.

Kind of wonder which is the better preventative maintenance to avoid those dead arms, 6 man rotations or shortened outings?  Sure, it’s case by case, but what about the majority of pitchers, where will they fall?

Has MLB done anything with roster expansion?  Still planning on rolling with 26?  What am I saying, over 26 might cost the owners a few bucks.  Of course, the possible increased injured list population might do that just the same anyway.

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