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17 hours ago, DumberAndLeaner said:

So claims the spin thoughtfully seeded in the Fox Sports Detroit broadcasts.  I find myself wondering how serious they are about developing a winning team. Could be they simply decided that with Chron and Nova busts for the foreseeable  future, it's simply cheaper to showcase the kiddies now than it would be to hire qualified replacements?

And for that matter,  Assuming Mize, Skruball, and eventually Torkelson do develop into the stars as hoped for, will Avila and company be willing to make the financial commitment to keep them in Detroit, or will they  peddle them off as Deadline Darlings to avoid the expense?   Personally, I don't think little Itch is anxious to fund a championship,  

 

Holly? Is that you?

https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2020/08/18/kicking-and-screaming-and-greeting/

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Funny, I remember hearing many of the same or similar criticisms of Tiger ownership way back in 2002-2005. 
 

Before many of the same people complained about overspending on players 2008-2012.

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14 hours ago, Buddha said:

you should always be yourself, no need to try to be Frank.

Shirley you jest. 

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23 minutes ago, CMRivdog said:

Funny, I remember hearing many of the same or similar criticisms of Tiger ownership way back in 2002-2005. 
 

Before many of the same people complained about overspending on players 2008-2012.

It is almost as though many of those who like to criticize and complain do so independent of the circumstances.

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11 hours ago, DumberAndLeaner said:

Where do you anticipate team payroll being in 5 years?  

In the cloud. Like in Tron. 
 

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19 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

what is the floating disc a metaphor for?

In Tron they are data packets aren't they?

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22 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

In Tron they are data packets aren't they?

 

43 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

what is the floating disc a metaphor for?

Yeah I think so. I remember many years ago when the first Tron film came out some genius prognosticator on Wall Street was in a panic and said everyone had to dump Disney stock because they’d gone off the rails and would be bankrupt soon because Tron was such a bad movie and they’d given up on kid friendly stuff. Not a good prediction. Of course people like that never lose their jobs they just get promoted. The Peter Principle in action. 

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It was a somber day in the Adduci household.  Jim had just explained that he had put his entire signing bonus into a Disney movie about a future world.  His new wife wanted to be supportive, but she could not see how they would afford to have a family now.

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12 hours ago, leflore said:

In 5 years they'll be playing in stadium 5hg313-6ak3007 somewhere near yUranus.

The end is near

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1 hour ago, diaspora04 said:

It was a somber day in the Adduci household.  Jim had just explained that he had put his entire signing bonus into a Disney movie about a future world.  His new wife wanted to be supportive, but she could not see how they would afford to have a family now.

Spectacular

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1 hour ago, diaspora04 said:

It was a somber day in the Adduci household.  Jim had just explained that he had put his entire signing bonus into a Disney movie about a future world.  His new wife wanted to be supportive, but she could not see how they would afford to have a family now.

That was really good, although it's a bit disconcerting to learn that the Deuce is married. 

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29 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

That was really good, although it's a bit disconcerting to learn that the Deuce is married. 

I attempted to refer to Jim, Sr., whose timeline seems to correspond.  Perhaps it was Tron, more than any other single ingredient, that formed Duece's personality.

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2 minutes ago, diaspora04 said:

I attempted to refer to Jim, Sr., whose timeline seems to correspond.  Perhaps it was Tron, more than any other single ingredient, that formed Duece's personality.

Thanks. Jim Sr would make more sense.  

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21 hours ago, Buddha said:

but this is one instance where it is absolutely true.  unless you are illitch or in his inner circle of advisors you absolutely have no idea what he'll do.  none.

Well, if you read the following link, scrolling down to the heading "Avila talks Trade Deadline",  the gist is pretty consistent with the line he's been preaching the last few years. "Don't expect  trade acquisitions, .... nix on high salaries, ....maybe if we can find a guy who is not a long term commitment,.... We'd love to be in the playoffs, BUT.....future...future....future"

https://www.mlb.com/tigers/news/tarik-skubal-ready-to-join-big-league-club

 

I see  a discernible pattern, to which any willingness to spend for star caliber talent would constitute a dramatic reversal.

Admittedly not a commitment.....but certainly an indication where their head is at.   The boys prefer thrift to a pennant. 

I believe that is an IDEA that must be disproved through action, not hype.

I expect we might see more contracts in the range of what we are paying Schoop, or Cron.....but I personally doubt we will get anywhere near "qualifying offer"  dollar levels for ANY contract outside of Cabrera's for some time to come. And "the future" will continue to be scapegoated as the reason.

 

 

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7 hours ago, CMRivdog said:

Funny, I remember hearing many of the same or similar criticisms of Tiger ownership way back in 2002-2005. 
 

Before many of the same people complained about overspending on players 2008-2012.

The only contract that I openly complained about overspending was that absurd extension we gave Inge.

There were other deals we made that flopped, but it was the caliber of play we got in return on those deals that was the problem, not the contract amount

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15 hours ago, Yoda said:

You asked this, quoting a post where he literally said nobody has any idea what Ilitch will do. Do we think Buddha is Chris Ilitch? I mean I can't prove he isn't... 

I've got a pretty good idea, that you don't go to work regularly shirtless, and wearing that mask. I can't prove it, and frankly don't care to expend the effort necessary to confirm it either way, but the IDEA still seems ridiculous enough  to me that I'm confident I am right.

Her use of the term "idea" was flawed.

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3 hours ago, tiger337 said:

Thanks. Jim Sr would make more sense.  

Yeah, we all know that Junior isn’t hurting for money. Notwithstanding when the Newhouse boys hijacked that shipment back in April, Duece’s crew figured out how to improve distribution by disguising the product as hand sanitizer.
 

Although, there was recent news about a new Tron film starring Jared Leto, and everyone knows the Duece crew was inspired to get into the business after seeing Requiem for a Dream. Like father like son?

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10 minutes ago, Shelton said:

Yeah, we all know that Junior isn’t hurting for money. 
 

 

Also, Jr would not blow his own money on a such a venture.  He would find some other money some place.  

Plus, Deuce isn't going to get himself tied up to one woman.  He doesn't need that.  Sr is a jerk but he was co-dependent and had probably been depressed since the divorce.  

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1 hour ago, DumberAndLeaner said:

Well, if you read the following link, scrolling down to the heading "Avila talks Trade Deadline",  the gist is pretty consistent with the line he's been preaching the last few years. "Don't expect  trade acquisitions, .... nix on high salaries, ....maybe if we can find a guy who is not a long term commitment,.... We'd love to be in the playoffs, BUT.....future...future....future"

https://www.mlb.com/tigers/news/tarik-skubal-ready-to-join-big-league-club

 

I see  a discernible pattern, to which any willingness to spend for star caliber talent would constitute a dramatic reversal.

Admittedly not a commitment.....but certainly an indication where their head is at.   The boys prefer thrift to a pennant. 

I believe that is an IDEA that must be disproved through action, not hype.

I expect we might see more contracts in the range of what we are paying Schoop, or Cron.....but I personally doubt we will get anywhere near "qualifying offer"  dollar levels for ANY contract outside of Cabrera's for some time to come. And "the future" will continue to be scapegoated as the reason.

 

 

With the garbage, old, overpaid roster and depleted farm AA inherited, I don't know if it could have gone much different. Sure, he could trade a top prospect, but why? Maybe Romine would bring a low level prospect. Other than that, who would you trade?

I'm with you though on the FA frontier. I need to see Chris open up his wallet before I believe it. 

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8 hours ago, diaspora04 said:

It was a somber day in the Adduci household.  Jim had just explained that he had put his entire signing bonus into a Disney movie about a future world.  His new wife wanted to be supportive, but she could not see how they would afford to have a family now.

She was an absolute saint.

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2 hours ago, leflore said:

With the garbage, old, overpaid roster and depleted farm AA inherited, I don't know if it could have gone much different. Sure, he could trade a top prospect, but why? Maybe Romine would bring a low level prospect. Other than that, who would you trade?

I'm with you though on the FA frontier. I need to see Chris open up his wallet before I believe it. 

First of all, I'd like to thank you for your willingness to discuss subject matter, rather than the circling of the wagons and lobbing barrages of sarcasm and insults that seem to predominate with others here.  :)

As far as "what would I do differently?"...Well, I believe my frustration with the team is a product of several years of watching a substandard team while being fed a spiel of "be patient".  I believe they allowed the level of talent to deteriorate further than what we deserved, over a period of years.  I think they should have held on to a couple productive players to at least make games worth watching, instead of dealing away anyone having trade value, just to shed payroll.

So, it is that attitude, that "filter" through which I evaluate the current moves. In short they shouldn't be as sorry as they were coming in the gate this season,.   Perhaps that reality is what magnifies the current loss of Cron and the total failure of Nova?

I believe that if the current "spiel" that they hope to be competitive had relevance, they could go out and find some team seeking payroll relief to get a serviceable replacement for both.

I don't mean to be totally negative, I see a few upsides. I absolutely love watching Niko Goodrum run the bases...the man  can fly. I just wish there was some improvement in the OBP dept, so I'd have more opportunity to enjoy his basepath exploits. The pitcher Soto? I think he is very promising. And, when Jacoby Jones comes to the plate with runners on base...I actually feel a tinge of optimism, more often than not.  And I even find myself cursing fate, hoping Miggy will find some sort of groove. So, it's not like I'm obsessed with negativity. I just feel like  too large a share of our roster is made up with "innings eaters" who can provide AA et al  cheap filler, and call it "baseball"

As far as this thread goes?  Well perhaps it's my warped way of calling out what I perceive as the organizations "bluff". They want to say "the future is now"...fine, lets see where the rubber hits the road. Show me that my last few years of patience are due for a reward.

As far as what they are doing right this second?  It may actually be the smart thing to do. Call up Mize and Skuball, give them a couple outings before  the August 31 deadline to show what promise they have....and if they pan out?  GREAT!!  the skipper looks like a genius, and a good time can be had by all.  But, if they fail.....not the end of the world, but be prepared to go out on the market and get some decent filler, if for no other reason then to prevent each game the rest of the  year to be an embarrassment.

So, I guess I'll be holding my breath to see if the kiddies pan out (crossed fingers), or if they don''t, will the money bags be willing to "step up" and give us a product on the field worth watching?  If we  fail in both aspects, well, ....that will just confirm my suspicions that we are being played.

How about Kyle Funkhouser  and and Christin Stewart  for JD Martinez and $10 million? ¬¬

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, DumberAndLeaner said:

I've got a pretty good idea, that you don't go to work regularly shirtless, and wearing that mask. I can't prove it, and frankly don't care to expend the effort necessary to confirm it either way, but the IDEA still seems ridiculous enough  to me that I'm confident I am right.

Her use of the term "idea" was flawed.

I have no idea what any of this post means. I'm definitely not shirtless in that photo, but I do wear that mask everyday. 

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1 hour ago, tiger337 said:

So glad I missed that shirtless photo of Yoda.  

I'll never be as cool as your avatar but it's nice to see you without a hat. 

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