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3 hours ago, ROMAD1 said:

This is actually mean to Shep who really does a good job policing the bad language for my saintly children's ears. 

I rank game analysts:

  • Gibby
  • Petry
  • CRAAAIIIG
  • Jim Price
  • anyone else
  • anyone else
  • the memory of Rod Allen
  • anyone else
  • Morris

I put Jim Price at the top of this list because he "calls it like it is", as it were, and doesn't blow sunshine up the Tigers' collective asses when they do poorly or get lucky by pulling a good result out of a bad play. Maybe that's due to the influence of Dan Dickerson.

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3 hours ago, Casimir said:

Is it just me, or does he not move athletically enough at times to appear capable of being a baseball player?

Good call. It struck me last night how Reyes caught a fly ball in the ninth inning in a similarly uncomfortable way that left fielders on co-ed rec softball teams do.

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2 hours ago, Longgone said:

The difference in babip may entirely explain the difference in batting average.

Great call! Normalizing the BABIP to a league averag-y .296:

Candy as LHB: .231/.328/.389

Candy as RHB: .234/.313/.394

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2 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

Granderson would be my ideal choice but I think one of the national guys would be after him. 

I too would like somebody a little fresher and from more modern teams. Gum time wouldn't be a bad choice cause he seemed to have the personality for it.

Agreed. He's going to look for a much bigger stage, and given his high profile in the charity milieu, he may not even end up doing baseball. He's the kind of guy who might be tabbed to head up a high-profile presidential commission for youth initiatives.

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But babip isn't all luck,  players do have some control over it and if he hits the ball harder and to more parts of the field from the right side that could explain the babip difference. 

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1 minute ago, RandyMarsh said:

But babip isn't all luck,  players do have some control over it and if he hits the ball harder and to more parts of the field from the right side that could explain the babip difference. 

I agree there's something to that, but the normalized slash lines from each side are still astonishingly similar.

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18 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Agreed. He's going to look for a much bigger stage, and given his high profile in the charity milieu, he may not even end up doing baseball. He's the kind of guy who might be tabbed to head up a high-profile presidential commission for youth initiatives.

Another potential name:  Zumaya.  He might not be the best student of the game however.   He'd be more "color" than analyst.  

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When I think of the 2006-2013 era of goodness some names of guys I really liked and seem to think could talk around the game:

  • Marcus Thames (is a hitting instructor correct?)
  • Granderson
  • Nate Robertson
  • Phil Coke
  • Placido Polanco (would his head fit in the booth?)
  • Sean Casey is already on MLB network
  • Todd Jones is already (sort of) on MLB network.  We have seen him do a couple games, correct?
  • Gerald Laird
  • Alex Avila (not done playing)
  • Edwin Jackson (is he done playing?)
  • Andy Dirks (he seems to be a real estate guy in Michigan so might be able to talk and chew gum)

No real Venezuelan names for a team so totally dominated by them.  Carlos Guillen and Magglio are part of the ruling clique and neither had that great a gift for English.  Maybe Victor Martinez?

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28 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

But babip isn't all luck,  players do have some control over it and if he hits the ball harder and to more parts of the field from the right side that could explain the babip difference. 

Not that much, it's mostly luck, but before you can make any assumptions regarding Candelario, you need to see if, in fact, he hits the ball harder from the right side, and pulls it more from the left, and if that difference offsets enough the advantage of switch hitting. And still the sample size is small and included a period in which he was recovering from injury.

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I watched past eve on the Chicago feed. I wish the Tigers could have someone like Steve Stone. While he is for the ChiSox he routinely compliments good play for both teams and gives good analysis. Shep has to go. Morris needs to go back to Minnesota. Doug Jones maybe? CJ Nitkowski is a decent analyst.

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3 hours ago, ROMAD1 said:

I wonder if Curtis Granderson has any interest in doing the in-game analyst thing.   He's a multi-kajillionare but, he seems like he could do that very well.   As for other 2006-2013 era Tigers i think maybe Nate Robertson.  Anyone else?

Jamie Walker looked like an aww shucks friendly type individual.

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Babe Cron to 10 day injured list, Willi Castro called up. No word on who's going to man 1B.  

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1 hour ago, ROMAD1 said:

Another potential name:  Zumaya.  He might not be the best student of the game however.   He'd be more "color" than analyst.  

IOW, a perfect fit.

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1 hour ago, Longgone said:

Not that much, it's mostly luck, but before you can make any assumptions regarding Candelario, you need to see if, in fact, he hits the ball harder from the right side, and pulls it more from the left, and if that difference offsets enough the advantage of switch hitting. And still the sample size is small and included a period in which he was recovering from injury.

Looking at just 2019, gathering data from Statcast, I think you're onto something here:

Candy Hits as: n EV   LA   Dist   Pull Straightaway Opposite
RHB vs LHP 53 86.5 11.2 151.2 26% 58% 15%
LHB vs RHP 184 88.8 17.1 194.4 48% 32% 21%

As a hook, Candelario hits the ball harder with better launch and distance from the left side, but a lot of that is in part he's pulling the ball into shifts half the time, versus a quarter of the time pulling as a right-hander. So whatever advantage in contact he was making from the left side (at least last year) is, as you imply, probably a function of his pulling the ball more, although getting more reps from the left side might be contributing to that as well.

(BTW, incredibly, Statcast does not supply this info on a splits basis so I had to download into Excel and manipulate it to get to this. Annoying. But good practice, too.)

 

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33 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

Babe Cron to 10 day injured list, Willi Castro called up. No word on who's going to man 1B.  

My guess is, Candelario will man 1B, and they will split the left side of the infield half the time Goodrum at 3B/Castro at SS; and the other half of the time Lugo at 3B/Goodrum at SS. Probably the latter for tonight.

They might do a Lugo at 3B/Castro at SS/Goodrum at DH for a day-game-after-night-game getaway day, either this Sunday or next Thursday. That might depend on how hot/tired Miggy is.

Candelario has ten days to figure out how to cover first base on all infield grounders. He botched one last night.

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I actuality didn't see the play yet so I have no idea if they showed other replays to debunk this but judging by this pic it does look like it could be something other than just an injury from the ball.

Edit: I guess the Tigers already confirmed its just a sprain, I missed that at first. 

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4 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

So imagine baseball where everyone on the diamond reversed position/direction depending on the handedness of the batter....🤔

Well, we've seen this somewhat with Goodrum & Candelario when the Tigers put 3 IFs on the RF side of the IF.  They've exchanged spots on the diamond depending upon the count.

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2 hours ago, leflore said:

Rod Carew was a master at placing his hits during his prime.

He was on the tail end of his career when I saw him play, but it looked like he was throwing the ball out into the field of play with his bat.  Something about his wrists and the path of his bat as he swung.

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chicago sports radio was fun this morning with the complete dejection of white sox fans at how their season is going.

is there a tigers player other than their pitchers who would start for the white sox when theyre healthy?

schoop?  

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2 minutes ago, Buddha said:

chicago sports radio was fun this morning with the complete dejection of white sox fans at how their season is going.

is there a tigers player other than their pitchers who would start for the white sox when theyre healthy?

schoop?  

Perhaps Jacoby if they moved him to RF.   

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4 hours ago, leflore said:

I watched past eve on the Chicago feed. I wish the Tigers could have someone like Steve Stone. While he is for the ChiSox he routinely compliments good play for both teams and gives good analysis. Shep has to go. Morris needs to go back to Minnesota. Doug Jones maybe? CJ Nitkowski is a decent analyst.

agree about Steve Stone - he is a pro.

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3 hours ago, Casimir said:

Well, we've seen this somewhat with Goodrum & Candelario when the Tigers put 3 IFs on the RF side of the IF.  They've exchanged spots on the diamond depending upon the count.

yeah I know what you mean with everyone running around but I was actually thinking about what it would look like if the rotation around the bases reversed when a lefty was batting. So when the fielders shifted, a runner on 'third' would go over to 'first' which would become 'third' while the lefty was batting. That running would score by coming 'home' from the base on the right side of the field and the batter would be running to the base on the left. Goofy thought experiment, yes - but it would be a way to equalize the value/cost of shifting between left and right handed batters.

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3 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

I actuality didn't see the play yet so I have no idea if they showed other replays to debunk this but judging by this pic it does look like it could be something other than just an injury from the ball.

Edit: I guess the Tigers already confirmed its just a sprain, I missed that at first. 

the video shows the ball near the heel of his glove but  in the next frame it is just gone already so you never see where the impact is. But in the end I guess whether it was off the heel of his glove or directly from the ground on a weird hop his knee got slammed pretty good either way.

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