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Just now, Tenacious D said:

is there still a baseball season?

In all sincerity, I really think it depends on who you ask.

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I really shouldn't complain.  I'm grateful for any games I'm able to watch.  I'm not sure there is as much integrity in what's transpiring (7 inning games?), but I'd rather be able to watch some baseball vs. having the season cancelled.

I think individual stats should count, but I put a huge asterisk on any sort of postseason outcomes.

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1 minute ago, Tenacious D said:

I really shouldn't complain.  I'm grateful for any games I'm able to watch.  I'm not sure there is as much integrity in what's transpiring (7 inning games?), but I'd rather be able to watch some baseball vs. having the season cancelled.

I think individual stats should matter, but I put a huge asterisk on any sort of postseason outcomes.

I have already invalidated postseason outcomes for this year.  Individual stats still count!

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They can’t make an asterisk big enough for this season.

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I think, after the season, they should determine that this was just for entertainment and that none of it will go in the official record. 

Better yet, announce that before the playoffs. 

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Just now, Yoda said:

I think, after the season, they should determine that this was just for entertainment and that none of it will go in the official record. 

Better yet, announce that before the playoffs. 

They are going to pump up the playoffs big time.   They are even going to televise the selection show.  I can hardly wait.    

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14 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

They are going to pump up the playoffs big time.   They are even going to televise the selection show.  I can hardly wait.    

I don’t take this season seriously. At best I might be a distant observer. My concern is that Manfred and his cronies will try to implement some of these charades into the game going beyond this year. 

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31 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

They are going to pump up the playoffs big time.   They are even going to televise the selection show.  I can hardly wait.    

Can't wait to hear Harold Reynolds and Al Leiter argue about who should or shouldn't get in and I just fell asleep typing that. 

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34 minutes ago, 1776 said:

I don’t take this season seriously. At best I might be a distant observer. My concern is that Manfred and his cronies will try to implement some of these charades into the game going beyond this year. 

That is my thought as well,  

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They started that well before this season, IMO. 

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What bothers me is they have fixed things that are not broken and not addressed things that are broken - such as pace of play, inconsistent ball and strike calls by umpires, not enough balls in play, stupid TV blackout rules.  Fans have been talking about those things for years.  I don't remember any fans saying they should contract the minor leagues, put half the teams in the playoffs and start extra innings with a runner at second base.  

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But other sports have shown that more playoff teams means a lot more money and, more importantly, creates more interest in smaller market cities. That's a big deal and I think the right move.

Everything else I agree. 

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3 minutes ago, Yoda said:

But other sports have shown that more playoff teams means a lot more money and, more importantly, creates more interest in smaller market cities. That's a big deal and I think the right move.

Everything else I agree. 

It also cheapens the regular season and in baseball it would cheapen the playoffs.  The basketball and hockey regular seasons seem like exhibition seasons to me.  I think the NBA playoffs are OK, because deserving teams don't usually get upset in the first round. Not sure about the NHL, but I would imagine it's the same.  In baseball, that wouldn't be the case because short series are so random.  I will never be in favor for cheapening (in my opinion) a sport, so that owners can make more money.  I understand it's a business and I know why they do it, but I will never support it.  Baseball has been great for a long time.  Leave it alone.  

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13 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

Not sure about the NHL,

NHL playoffs are funny. Hockey has a skill component and an energy component and over the course of the regular season more highly skilled teams usually win more games, but in a playoff series a team that is able to bring more energy can beat a more skilled team. I'm not sure that really means the 'better team' didn't win though. It only means the playoffs and the regular season have different winning criteria. It's really no different than the fact that in baseball  deeper starting staffs win more regular season games but shorter more star heavy rotations are better for  the playoffs.

Seems to be less of this kind of thing in basketball or football, though in those sports you can have team match-up issues that can lead to one team having an advantage over a team otherwise considered 'better' (e.g. bulls/pistons).

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I did a couple of polls on twitter recently asking how many teams should be in the MLB playoffs.  Hardly anyone chose 14 or 16 teams.  Most wanted 8 and the second choice was 10.  I understand, the people that would respond to my twitter poll are not the target audience.  Those people are going to keep watching regardless.  The target audience is people who don't really care about the game.  I say let them find another game.   

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19 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

It also cheapens the regular season and in baseball it would cheapen the playoffs. 

I think baseball fandom in particular exists distributed between two poles. At the one limit are the fans for whom sports is sublimated warfare. For those fans the vicarious ultimate total victory is the only worthwhile objective. Likewise regular seasons only exist as preludes to playoffs and they in general want every chance for their team to get into the playoffs and get a shot at winning out. The more 'crapshooty' the playoffs the better.

At the other pole are the 'national pastime' fans. I would guess these are becoming an endangered lot, and they are probably mostly older fans who have come to appreciate watching a baseball game just for itself. For those fan excess focus on an ultimate winner devalues the aspects of the game they enjoy so it doesn't do much for them. 

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3 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I think baseball fandom in particular exists distributed between two poles. At the one limit are the fans for whom sports is sublimated warfare. For those fans the vicarious ultimate total victory is the only worthwhile objective. Likewise regular seasons only exist as preludes to playoffs and they in general want every chance for their team to get into the playoffs and get a shot at winning out. The more 'crapshooty' the playoffs the better.

At the other pole are the 'national pastime' fans. I would guess these are becoming an endangered lot, and they are probably mostly older fans who have come to appreciate watching a baseball game just for itself. For those fan excess focus on an ultimate winner devalues the aspects of the game they enjoy so it doesn't do much for them. 

I think they might find out that waning interest in baseball has other causes beyond "not enough teams in playoffs".   

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33 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

It also cheapens the regular season and in baseball it would cheapen the playoffs.  The basketball and hockey regular seasons seem like exhibition seasons to me.  I think the NBA playoffs are OK, because deserving teams don't usually get upset in the first round. Not sure about the NHL, but I would imagine it's the same.  In baseball, that wouldn't be the case because short series are so random.  I will never be in favor for cheapening (in my opinion) a sport, so that owners can make more money.  I understand it's a business and I know why they do it, but I will never support it.  Baseball has been great for a long time.  Leave it alone.  

I couldn't agree more. Increasing the # of teams in the playoffs this season? No, less teams for the playoffs. A 5 game series? Then why bother playing the 60 games? It's even more stupid than a 1 game wildcard play-in. I can't stand that idea. I just highly dislike the idea of a 162 game season coming down to 1 game. 

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10 teams in MLB playoffs is plenty, IMO. With an 162 game season, twice as long as the NHL and NBA, the final month serves as effectively the first round of the playoffs with teams, say, 7th-16th overall typically battling for the final spots.

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11 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

10 teams in MLB playoffs is plenty, IMO. With an 162 game season, twice as long as the NHL and NBA, the final month serves as effectively the first round of the playoffs with teams, say, 7th-16th overall typically battling for the final spots.

I have never heard that argument before.  I like it!

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14 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

10 teams in MLB playoffs is plenty, IMO. With an 162 game season, twice as long as the NHL and NBA, the final month serves as effectively the first round of the playoffs with teams, say, 7th-16th overall typically battling for the final spots.

 

2 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

I have never heard that argument before.  I like it!

do you mean a flex schedule in the last month where those teams would be rescheduled head to head? That would be kind of neat. Then again in that scheme the question would be what happens if a team that misses the cut goes on a tear playing out their last month and finishes better than most of the teams playing those 'qualifier' series? And they might even have done it playing better competition.

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