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I never understood the mindset in athletes in regards to how you should play in blowouts.  To me I wouldn't want my opponent to do anything different, I would feel like they are patronizing me if they do.     

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So if you’re wondering why the Tigers suddenly called up three of their top prospects on the same day, the Super Two is almost certainly the reason. Detroit had long since cleared the threshold to get a seventh year of control for Mize, Paredes, and Skubal, but by waiting to call them up until mid-August the team has all but guaranteed their prospects won’t qualify for Super Two status.

This is a more severe and dedicated form of service time manipulation, but for the Detroit Tigers it was a smart business decision. And once again it will be impossible to prove, because the 2020 season is so unusual. If Mize, Skubal, and Paredes perform to the level of Cole and Price, the Tigers may have just saved more than $50 million. Good for them.

But it means nothing to fans if the team simply pockets the money. The Detroit Tigers need to use the financial flexibility they’ve created here to make their team better in the future, but ownership’s willingness to spend remains a huge question mark.

https://motorcitybengals.com/2020/08/18/super-two-how-the-detroit-tigers-saved-millions-on-mize-and-skubal/

editor: It is still not entirely clear that super two status will be a thing in a few years...and we really don't know about the cutoff date.

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They also didn’t mention the different rule for service time for players on the 40 man (like Paredes). If you are optioned for fewer than 20 days you get service time for all that time you were in the minors (this was pointed out in an article about the effect of sending down clevinger and plesac). So paredes couldn’t have been called up as early as Mize or Skubal could have been.

But I think they are being overly cynical with that analysis. Mize was nearly called up two weeks ago to make the Sunday start ahead of the cardinals series, but the weekend rain and the series being cancelled changed things and led to Norris getting that start. And Mize would have been called up to start in the later-scheduled doubleheader that was cancelled. 
 

And, had Alexander not had that record setting relief outing, he probably doesn’t earn a turn in the rotation. 
 

If they ultimately end up missing super two qualification, so be it. I’m sure the fact that the circumstances led to getting close to a projected super two cutoff became a factor, but I don’t think the plan has always been to wait until now. It just worked out that way. 

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With Tatis Jr it is the Rangers manager who is ticked off? WGAF. The last thing I'd do is apologize. I'd say do better to try and get me out. 

I also don't get the unwritten rule you can't bunt to break up a no-hitter. 

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When I first heard the name Chris Woodward, I thought of Woody Woodward.  

1 home run in 2,424 plate appearances.  

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2 hours ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

I think it is viewed the opposite, FWIW.

Oh sure when you're on the other end and they keep succeeding, they look like dicks, and even when they do run into outs sometimes the losing team grumbles at that.  I've seen teams with big leads turn doubles into singles just to ease up and the losing team gets mad at that! "Come on, play us like you mean it!" Can't win.

But I've been on the winning side and we were like, just swing at everything and take extra bases until they get us out. We would take chances because why not, we were smoking them anyway.

Bottom line is, teams losing big get mad about everything.

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when I coached travel baseball, the only thing I would discourage was stealing bases when you were mercying the other team.  not a big deal, you just don't give the runner the steal sign.  it was his call if he wanted to try and advance on a passed ball.  some players whould take the bag, some chose not to. otherwise, I agree that you shouldn't try and restrain yourself from performing as best you can at all times.

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2 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

when I coached travel baseball, the only thing I would discourage was stealing bases when you were mercying the other team.  not a big deal, you just don't give the runner the steal sign.  it was his call if he wanted to try and advance on a passed ball.  some players whould take the bag, some chose not to. otherwise, I agree that you shouldn't try and restrain yourself from performing as best you can at all times.

It's different at lower levels. Sometimes the talent disparity is mammoth and there is an element of sportsmanship. But in the majors - these guys are professionals and the best talent in the world. You see teams come back from 7 runs down. Not often, but it happens. Somebody needs to tell the Rangers coach to take the loss like a man and do better.

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1 hour ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Does your analysis then suggest an ok look, as opposed to a bad look?

It would have been a bad !ook, but some guy swung at 3 and 0 in a blowout.  So I think that free agents will still want to sign here.

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54 minutes ago, Shelton said:

 

I dig it. The St Paul Saints are my #2 team. My office is 3-4 blocks from their stadium. I'm changing jobs  in 2 weeks and my new office will be 6-7 blocks from the Twins Target Field. Even closer to Fogo de Chao

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After reading what the Rangers coach actually said, imho it seems pretty tame. A minor complaint. Still uncalled for, but no big deal. Media seemingly makes every confrontation seem larger than it needs to be. And photoshops too much

 

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15 minutes ago, leflore said:

I dig it. The St Paul Saints are my #2 team. My office is 3-4 blocks from their stadium. I'm changing jobs  in 2 weeks and my new office will be 6-7 blocks from the Twins Target Field. Even closer to Fogo de Chao

Gotta keep that coaster flipped to green at all times. 

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33 minutes ago, leflore said:

I dig it. The St Paul Saints are my #2 team. My office is 3-4 blocks from their stadium. I'm changing jobs  in 2 weeks and my new office will be 6-7 blocks from the Twins Target Field. Even closer to Fogo de Chao

My stomach just got uncomfortably full.    I’m flipping to red.   

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4 hours ago, Shelton said:

Gotta keep that coaster flipped to green at all times. 

Lol darn straight!

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Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great. If a sperm gets wasted, God gets quite irate 

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Where was the thread with all the talk about the shift? Russell Carlton has a new article today that I can’t read because I don’t subscribe to BP. But from the title and some ancillary discussion about it, my guess is that he has determined that pitchers have been forced to pitch inside more, leading to more walks, and the benefits of the shift are therefore not being realized. 
 

He appears to be advocating for killing the shift, so that pitchers can use the outside of the plate again on these guys. 

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45 minutes ago, Shelton said:

Where was the thread with all the talk about the shift? Russell Carlton has a new article today that I can’t read because I don’t subscribe to BP. But from the title and some ancillary discussion about it, my guess is that he has determined that pitchers have been forced to pitch inside more, leading to more walks, and the benefits of the shift are therefore not being realized. 
 

He appears to be advocating for killing the shift, so that pitchers can use the outside of the plate again on these guys. 

Here's another thought. Do you suppose pitching inside more also increases HRs? 

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4 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Here's another thought. Do you suppose pitching inside more also increases HRs? 

Maybe? I don’t want to guess too much because I didn’t actually read the article and maybe I’m completely wrong about what his data says. I only deduced the inside pitching aspect and the walks from the headline and a reader comment. 
 

But if the conclusion is that pitchers are staying away from the outside of the plate, then I think there is a good chance it’s allowing these hitters to turn on the ball more. 
 

Is the “solution” to the shift just pitching outside again and living with the occasional hit off the end of the bat that gets through?

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Carlton was also the one who first determined that the shift was leading to more fly balls which took away the benefit of the shift.  Maybe, the shift is a big fail after all or is at least maybe being over used.    

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7 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

Carlton was also the one who first determined that the shift was leading to more fly balls which took away the benefit of the shift.  Maybe, the shift is a big fail after all or is at least maybe being over used.    

When did they start using the rabbit ball? Flyballs are a good outcome if they aren’t going over the fence every couple at bats. 

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