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1 hour ago, six-hopper said:

Is that shrine new?  I've taken that ferry several times, most recently two years ago,  and I never noticed the Thomas tribute.  I did, however, see the statue of Bud Slug at Miller Park.  Now there's a monument that truly deserves to be torn down.

Shrine is probably a stretch - there are things like a framed autographed jersey. 

It was there last August when I took the ferry

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I can only see bringing Mize up in this meaningless faux season if it accelerates his development more than being in Toledo. I’m not interested in holding him back by aligning myself with owners efforts to suppress player salaries through control. I get it but I don’t like it.

I’m not included in present-day celebrations of ownership prerogatives any more than ancient subject populations were included in the alleged prosperity brought to them by the Roman Empire’s roads and laws which simply rationalized the process of seizing their wealth by force. 

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With pitchers Im not that concerned with service time but with that said if what people are saying about it possibly being a 2 year difference by waiting to next year its hard to say no to that. 

The longer they are under control the more valuable they are to not only us but potentially other teams if we decide to trade one of them down the road. 

For example Who knows a couple years from now all our pitchers could end up actually hitting their potential and we could find ourselves with an abundance of pitching talent. If we decide to deal from strength at that point the guy we trade is gonna have a alot more value if say he has 5 yrs vs. 3 or 4 vs 2. 

 I know this is an unlikely scenario but I think stuff like this should atleast be considered before burning time on meaningless games. 

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I agree with whomever posted that this will be changing with the upcoming new CBA. I see no way the players continue to get screwed by being left down for the sole purpose of hanging onto control time. That 100% favors ownership and the team and only screws the player. If Mize needs development, by all means hold him back. If not, why? 

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1 hour ago, IdahoBert said:

I can only see bringing Mize up in this meaningless faux season if it accelerates his development more than being in Toledo. I’m not interested in holding him back by aligning myself with owners efforts to suppress player salaries through control. I get it but I don’t like it.

I’m not included in present-day celebrations of ownership prerogatives any more than ancient subject populations were included in the alleged prosperity brought to them by the Roman Empire’s roads and laws which simply rationalized the process of seizing their wealth by force. 

I could not care less what's good for the owners.  I am a customer and the customer is always right!

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8 minutes ago, leflore said:

I agree with whomever posted that this will be changing with the upcoming new CBA. I see no way the players continue to get screwed by being left down for the sole purpose of hanging onto control time. That 100% favors ownership and the team and only screws the player. If Mize needs development, by all means hold him back. If not, why? 

The players will probably end up signing on to deal trades some short term cash for a system that is even worse for the fans than the current one. Neither the fans nor the owners care about the fans.

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3 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

The players will probably end up signing on to deal trades some short term cash for a system that is even worse for the fans than the current one. Neither the fans nor the owners care about the fans.

Max does. Dude took out a full page ad thanking the fans when he left town.

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19 hours ago, tiger337 said:

I could not care less what's good for the owners.  I am a customer and the customer is always right!

2020 me cares more about seeing Mize in 2020 than keeping him for 2026 cheap.

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On 8/2/2020 at 10:02 AM, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Photo of Gorman Thomas

I'm not really a fan of the cutouts around the yard.  It seems foolish to me.

But it would be kind of fun to tune into a game with the section behind home plate full of Gorman Thomases and Juan Berenguers and Oscar Gambles.

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Insomnia musings

Undecided: MacArthur Park - Richard Harris or Donna Summer

Decided: I'd like the Tigers to bring up Mize; and I prefer boxers over boxer briefs

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2 hours ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

I have zero interest as a customer in seeing Mize unless he is capable / ready to be an average MLB starter or better.

Couldn't decide if I wanted to reply with a) If only there was a way to test and see whether or not he's ready. Or b) he doesn't need to be average. He just needs to be better than what we currently have. 

In all seriousness, regardless of whether or not he's ready, seeing MLB bats wold probably do him more good than harm. 

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2 minutes ago, Yoda said:

Couldn't decide if I wanted to reply with a) If only there was a way to test and see whether or not he's ready. Or b) he doesn't need to be average. He just needs to be better than what we currently have. 

In all seriousness, regardless of whether or not he's ready, seeing MLB bats wold probably do him more good than harm. 

Verlander was brought up for 2 starts in the middle of 2005.  I don't think service time was as highly considered then as it is now.

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7 hours ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

I have zero interest as a customer in seeing Mize unless he is capable / ready to be an average MLB starter or better.

Boyd said yesterday he's ready and would help the team win. Gardy has said he's ready. He looked very strong in the spring. Yesterday Henning said he has looked great in the Toledo games. 

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On 8/2/2020 at 10:02 AM, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Photo of Gorman Thomas

I can't remember who it was but somebody said he didn't like to get too close to him because Thomas was so ugly it caused his uniform to wrinkle.

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this is pretty hilarious really. Cam will alway be the first guy to come to mind when I think of any of those other guys! xD

 

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2 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

this is pretty hilarious really

 

Victor Reyes will get there in 2030. 

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9 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

this is pretty hilarious really. Cam will alway be the first guy to come to mind when I think of any of those other guys! xD

 

Two meaningless observations that add nothing to the discussion:

  • It feels intuitive that in the 120-year history of the Tigers, they should have more than nine players that homered for them across three different decades. But then again, maybe not. I wonder how that compares with the fifteen other original 16 franchises?
  • It feels weird to me that the pLayers in the tweet were listed in alphabetical order. It would have felt more appropriate to list them in chronological order.

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14 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Two meaningless observations that add nothing to the discussion:

  • It feels intuitive that in the 120-year history of the Tigers, they should have more than nine players that homered for them across three different decades. But then again, maybe not. I wonder how that compares with the fifteen other original 16 franchises?
  • It feels weird to me that the pLayers in the tweet were listed in alphabetical order. It would have felt more appropriate to list them in chronological order.

Both of those things came to my mind too.  It's not that easy to play in three different decades with the same team.  In generally only happens if you start your career late in a decade and stay with the same team for at least 12 years.  

As for alphabetical order, it's just another way to screw Whitaker! 

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1 hour ago, tiger337 said:

Both of those things came to my mind too.  It's not that easy to play in three different decades with the same team.  In generally only happens if you start your career late in a decade and stay with the same team for at least 12 years.  

As for alphabetical order, it's just another way to screw Whitaker! 

Because I'm just the crazy guy who actually looks this up:

Using the Lahman Batting database to figure out which players have homered for the same franchise in at least three separate decades, and adding manually for 2020, I have found that not only is nine not low among original 16 franchise, it is actually one of the highest.

Franchise       #
Yankees 10
Senators-Twins 9
Tigers 9
Braves 8
A's 8
Reds 7
Red Sox 6
Cubs 6
Pirates 5
Cardinals 5
Giants 4
Browns-Orioles 4
Dodgers 4
White Sox 2
Indians 1
Phillies 1

Cabrera and Maybin took the Tigers from seven to nine this yer.

Brett Gardner put the Yankees at ten this year, and Joey Votto took the Reds up to seven. No other teams had a player join this exclusive club.

Just for giggles, here's the entire list. There are some real good unexpected names here:

Player Franchise
Eddie Collins A's
Al Simmons A's
Sam Chapman A's
Wally Moses A's
Joe Rudi A's
Reggie Jackson A's
Rickey Henderson A's
Eric Chavez A's
Rabbit Maranville Braves
Sibby Sisti Braves
Del Crandall Braves
Warren Spahn Braves
Hank Aaron Braves
Phil Niekro Braves
Dale Murphy Braves
Chipper Jones Braves
Brooks Robinson Browns-Orioles
Mark Belanger Browns-Orioles
Brady Anderson Browns-Orioles
Cal Ripken Browns-Orioles
Rogers Hornsby Cardinals
Enos Slaughter Cardinals
Red Schoendienst Cardinals
Stan Musial Cardinals
Dick Schofield Cardinals
Charlie Root Cubs
Gabby Hartnett Cubs
Phil Cavarretta Cubs
Ernie Banks Cubs
Joe Girardi Cubs
Mark Grace Cubs
Babe Herman Dodgers
Duke Snider Dodgers
Gil Hodges Dodgers
Bill Russell Dodgers
Larry Doyle Giants
Mel Ott Giants
Willie Mays Giants
Willie McCovey Giants
   
Russell Branyan Indians
Chuck Klein Phillies
Paul Waner Pirates
Bill Mazeroski Pirates
Roberto Clemente Pirates
Richie Hebner Pirates
Willie Stargell Pirates
Bobby Doerr Red Sox
Ted Williams Red Sox
   
Carl Yastrzemski Red Sox
Dwight Evans Red Sox
Ellis Burks Red Sox
Jason Varitek Red Sox
Edd Roush Reds
Johnny Bench Reds
Pete Rose Reds
Tony Perez Reds
Ken Griffey Reds
Barry Larkin Reds
Joey Votto Reds
Clyde Milan Senators-Twins
Walter Johnson Senators-Twins
Joe Judge Senators-Twins
Sam Rice Senators-Twins
Sam West Senators-Twins
Mickey Vernon Senators-Twins
Bob Allison Senators-Twins
Harmon Killebrew Senators-Twins
Torii Hunter Senators-Twins
Ty Cobb Tigers
Charlie Gehringer Tigers
Vic Wertz Tigers
Al Kaline Tigers
Alan Trammell Tigers
Kirk Gibson Tigers
Lou Whitaker Tigers
Miguel Cabrera Tigers
Cameron Maybin Tigers
Luis Aparicio White Sox
Paul Konerko White Sox
Bill Dickey Yankees
Joe DiMaggio Yankees
Tommy Henrich Yankees
Yogi Berra Yankees
Bobby Murcer Yankees
Roberto Kelly Yankees
Alfonso Soriano Yankees
Derek Jeter Yankees
Jorge Posada Yankees
Brett Gardner Yankees
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10 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Because I'm just the crazy guy who actually looks this up:

Using the Lahman Batting database to figure out which players have homered for the same franchise in at least three separate decades, and adding manually for 2020, I have found that not only is nine not low among original 16 franchise, it is actually one of the highest.

Franchise       #
Yankees 10
Senators-Twins 9
Tigers 9
Braves 8
A's 8
Reds 7
Red Sox 6
Cubs 6
Pirates 5
Cardinals 5
Giants 4
Browns-Orioles 4
Dodgers 4
White Sox 2
Indians 1
Phillies 1

Cabrera and Maybin took the Tigers from seven to nine this yer.

Brett Gardner put the Yankees at ten this year, and Joey Votto took them up to seven. No other teams had a player join this exclusive club.

Just for giggles, here's the entire list. There are some real good unexpected names here:

Player Franchise
Eddie Collins A's
Al Simmons A's
Sam Chapman A's
Wally Moses A's
Joe Rudi A's
Reggie Jackson A's
Rickey Henderson A's
Eric Chavez A's
Rabbit Maranville Braves
Sibby Sisti Braves
Del Crandall Braves
Warren Spahn Braves
Hank Aaron Braves
Phil Niekro Braves
Dale Murphy Braves
Chipper Jones Braves
Brooks Robinson Browns-Orioles
Mark Belanger Browns-Orioles
Brady Anderson Browns-Orioles
Cal Ripken Browns-Orioles
Rogers Hornsby Cardinals
Enos Slaughter Cardinals
Red Schoendienst Cardinals
Stan Musial Cardinals
Dick Schofield Cardinals
Charlie Root Cubs
Gabby Hartnett Cubs
Phil Cavarretta Cubs
Ernie Banks Cubs
Joe Girardi Cubs
Mark Grace Cubs
Babe Herman Dodgers
Duke Snider Dodgers
Gil Hodges Dodgers
Bill Russell Dodgers
Larry Doyle Giants
Mel Ott Giants
Willie Mays Giants
Willie McCovey Giants
   
Russell Branyan Indians
Chuck Klein Phillies
Paul Waner Pirates
Bill Mazeroski Pirates
Roberto Clemente Pirates
Richie Hebner Pirates
Willie Stargell Pirates
Bobby Doerr Red Sox
Ted Williams Red Sox
   
Carl Yastrzemski Red Sox
Dwight Evans Red Sox
Ellis Burks Red Sox
Jason Varitek Red Sox
Edd Roush Reds
Johnny Bench Reds
Pete Rose Reds
Tony Perez Reds
Ken Griffey Reds
Barry Larkin Reds
Joey Votto Reds
Clyde Milan Senators-Twins
Walter Johnson Senators-Twins
Joe Judge Senators-Twins
Sam Rice Senators-Twins
Sam West Senators-Twins
Mickey Vernon Senators-Twins
Bob Allison Senators-Twins
Harmon Killebrew Senators-Twins
Torii Hunter Senators-Twins
Ty Cobb Tigers
Charlie Gehringer Tigers
Vic Wertz Tigers
Al Kaline Tigers
Alan Trammell Tigers
Kirk Gibson Tigers
Lou Whitaker Tigers
Miguel Cabrera Tigers
Cameron Maybin Tigers
Luis Aparicio White Sox
Paul Konerko White Sox
Bill Dickey Yankees
Joe DiMaggio Yankees
Tommy Henrich Yankees
Yogi Berra Yankees
Bobby Murcer Yankees
Roberto Kelly Yankees
Alfonso Soriano Yankees
Derek Jeter Yankees
Jorge Posada Yankees
Brett Gardner Yankees

Sibby Sisti!

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Three things pop out at me:

  1. No one who played for the St Louis Browns made the list for that franchise. All Orioles.
  2. Dick Schofield Sr. played for a boatload of teams and hit only 21 homers in his career, yet he managed to play three different stints in three different decades for the Cardinals and homer in all of them
  3. Walter Johnson and Warren Spahn!

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