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29 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

2B Goodrum (probably a multi-position player)

Goodrum article says he is committed to reworking his swing this off-season. We'll see. Lloyd says he has had an oblique problem that has hampered him, but the reality is that he has sucked as a LH batter his whole career. Platoon him against LHP  and he is a 300 hitter ( at least in the small sample size available so far)

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Is Jones or Cameron the better CF defender?  Whichever way, I agree that Cameron probably stays up with the big club.  So the OF is essentially set with Reyes/Jones/Cameron in some sort of order.

I don't mind the idea of trying Paredes at 2B, but it needs to happen in Toledo.  I like his approach at the plate, and I wouldn't be shocked to see him starting in Detroit with Candelario at 1B.  Given Torkelson being up sooner rather than later, maybe it is best to just start Paredes in Toledo at 2B just to see what there is to see?

CastroW at SS.  I think his bat has earned it, but the defense has to improve.  I kind of wonder if his defensive improvement might be aided by a steady and consistent 2B?

CastroH for the bench, seems versatile enough and hits enough to be a bench option.  One of Rogers/Greiner behind the plate but I don't know that both can be on the major league roster.  I think they'll need to grab a veteran during the offseason, and I don't think they should necessarily lock in on bringing Romine back.

I guess those are the young position players that I can see coming back.  I think we will see Stewart and the Tigers part ways.  Alcantara had the brief call up, but seems destined for the minors.  Lugo is obviously just AAA fodder if brought back to camp.  I don't think there is much to see out of Hill that we have not seen.

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12 minutes ago, Casimir said:

Is Jones or Cameron the better CF defender?  Whichever way, I agree that Cameron probably stays up with the big club.  So the OF is essentially set with Reyes/Jones/Cameron in some sort of order.

I don't mind the idea of trying Paredes at 2B, but it needs to happen in Toledo.  I like his approach at the plate, and I wouldn't be shocked to see him starting in Detroit with Candelario at 1B.  Given Torkelson being up sooner rather than later, maybe it is best to just start Paredes in Toledo at 2B just to see what there is to see?

CastroW at SS.  I think his bat has earned it, but the defense has to improve.  I kind of wonder if his defensive improvement might be aided by a steady and consistent 2B?

CastroH for the bench, seems versatile enough and hits enough to be a bench option.  One of Rogers/Greiner behind the plate but I don't know that both can be on the major league roster.  I think they'll need to grab a veteran during the offseason, and I don't think they should necessarily lock in on bringing Romine back.

I guess those are the young position players that I can see coming back.  I think we will see Stewart and the Tigers part ways.  Alcantara had the brief call up, but seems destined for the minors.  Lugo is obviously just AAA fodder if brought back to camp.  I don't think there is much to see out of Hill that we have not seen.

I think Paredes' glove is fine. The question was whether he was going to blow up and lose all his quickness, but we are three years in since those initial concerns and while his build will never be mistaken for svelt, so far he is keeping his weight where he moves OK. Right now Castro's bat is the 700 gorilla on the field. Until that bat slows down they may have to let him play pretty much anywhere he wants to. xD

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Castro obviously isn't going to continue to babip .440 like he has thus far but even if you knock it down a 100 points he'd still be a plus bat.  Plus it felt like he was starting to walk more as the season went on so an improved bb rate could help offset the eventual babip regression. 

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the challenge we have is that either Castro or Paredes should be playing 2B, but neither has played there, and ideally, we'd have them both in our lineup.  I think you have to see if Castro can improve at SS, since we have no one else there in the organization.  I'd give Willi a full season audition, and if they think he can't make it there, go and solve externally for 2022.

The issue we have is the logjam at 3B.  It's Candelario's best position.  Paredes can play there. And they are grooming Tork (which was decided prior to Candy's hitting renaissance). 

The best offensive infield option is:

1B Tork, 2B Paredes SS Castro 3B Candelario.  However, it hinges on Paredes demonstrating he can play at 2B, and Castro getting better at SS.

If this could materialize, you could invest in an elite OF and SP via free agency.  

 

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I am not convinced  Candelario is a long term fit but he has earned another full season for sure. The big question is remains Castro at short or second. 

 

1B- Cron or Free agent fill in

2B - Schoop if he will take a similar one year deal

SS - Willie Castro but probably move to 2b in 2022 when we sign one of the many  free agent shortstops that will be on the market.

3B - Candelario -with Parades at AAA playing 3B. I don't see him as a second baseman.

C- Molina if we can get him even with an overpay for 2 years or less. Our young pitchers need him.

CF- Jones

RF- Lefty Free agent to platoon with Bonificio. Cameron AAA at least half the year.

LF - Reyes

DH - Miggy

Bench - Goodrum, H. Castro, Greiner/Haas or other fill in C with Rogers in AAA

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I think Castro can handle short, especially as we start to see more and more shifts.  He's never gonna be a gold glover or anything but I think he can end up "only" costing them like 10 runs a year. 

That obviously isn't good but if his bat is indeed legit I think that is worth the trade off especially since we have no obvious solutions long term short of signing one of the big name short stops next offseason. 

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I think if Paredes can play instructional/winter ball (if that happens), along with Spring Training, he should be able to play at 2B.  I hate to waste him in Toledo to learn the position.  He was a SS, so that should help with this transition.

Of course, that assumes the Tigers are considering playing him there, which isn't clear yet.  They have to find a way to get his bat in the lineup--his offensive profile is desirable and unique within the organization.

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8 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

I think Castro can handle short, especially as we start to see more and more shifts.  He's never gonna be a gold glover or anything but I think he can end up "only" costing them like 10 runs a year. 

That obviously isn't good but if his bat is indeed legit I think that is worth the trade off especially since we have no obvious solutions long term short of signing one of the big name short stops next offseason. 

Marcus Semien, who will be a free agent, was a bad minor league SS for the White Sox, but slowly turned into a good major league SS with the As when Ron Washington coached him up. With advance metric positioning and constant shifts, it is not just wishcasting to think Willi can be a SS.

even Niko's defense at SS looks solid.

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According to statcast Willi's sprint speed is in the top 85th percentile.  Of course as we saw with Nick, sprint speed doesn't necessarily translate to defense but at the very least it shows that he is athletic and should have an easier time coaching up than the alternative. 

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1 minute ago, RandyMarsh said:

According to statcast Willi's sprint speed is in the top 85th percentile.  Of course as we saw with Nick, sprint speed doesn't necessarily translate to defense but at the very least it shows that he is athletic and should have an easier time coaching up than the alternative. 

so long as they don't ask him to play 1B

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3 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

2B: Paredes (bat is ready, will need offseason to see if he can play at 2B).  Otherwise, he might need to learn the position at Toledo.

It is? His .231/.286/.308 line suggests something substantially in the other direction. Steering clear of the stats if you'd like, I've seen little from actually watching the games that his bat is actually ready at this point.

That said, I am also willing to acknowledge that I've probably been quite a ways on the low end for him the last two years....he's a fringe big leaguer for me, and that's where I've been at for a while.

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I've seen the opposite, and am encouraged by the progress he has shown over the last 10-15 games.  The entire season is a small sample size, but coupled with his MILB track record, I'm confident that he'll be a solid big league contributor, as soon as next season.  

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I haven't watched much of him the past couple weeks but I thought he did show a good eye, seemed to have good strike zone judgement.  Unfortunately when he did get a pitch to hit he wasn't squaring anything up. 

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11 minutes ago, Microline133 said:

It is? His .231/.286/.308 line suggests something substantially in the other direction. Steering clear of the stats if you'd like, I've seen little from actually watching the games that his bat is actually ready at this point.

That said, I am also willing to acknowledge that I've probably been quite a ways on the low end for him the last two years....he's a fringe big leaguer for me, and that's where I've been at for a while.

I don't really like all the transition from open to closed in his load up, but guys succeed with all kinds of weird set-ups.

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28 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

guys succeed with all kinds of weird set-ups.

See Wockenfuss, Johnny B

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1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said:

According to statcast Willi's sprint speed is in the top 85th percentile.  Of course as we saw with Nick, sprint speed doesn't necessarily translate to defense but at the very least it shows that he is athletic and should have an easier time coaching up than the alternative. 

Castro has the physical tools to be an above average ss; range, arm, hands, agility. His issues are mostly mechanical.

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5 hours ago, Longgone said:

Castro has the physical tools to be an above average ss; range, arm, hands, agility. His issues are mostly mechanical.

Or between the ears. He is thoughtless in his throwing. If he would just start thinking about what he was doing kuhis throws he might be halfway there

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1 hour ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Or between the ears. He is thoughtless in his throwing. If he would just start thinking about what he was doing kuhis throws he might be halfway there

What's a kuhis throw?

He's young. Hopefully this season has humbled him and he's more focused next year. 

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20 hours ago, RatkoVarda said:

i think they will give Stewart one more shot (April-May), doubt it changes anything

Depends how he does in spring. He will certainly get a chance, particularly since he'll be only 25 and he's a former first-rounder.

If he's career-smart, Stewart will engage the kind of outside help that JaCoby et al. have to fix their approaches.

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9 hours ago, Yoda said:

What's a kuhis throw?

He's young. Hopefully this season has humbled him and he's more focused next year. 

An strange typo

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10 hours ago, Yoda said:

What's a kuhis?

 

I believe a kuhis is similar to a henway

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11 hours ago, Yoda said:

What's a kuhis throw?

 

Whole Foods workers tossing the next-big-thing superfood from Ecuador from the truck to the warehouse floor.

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The kuhis throw comes in many attractive colors and is currently on sale at all Restoration Hardware’s nationwide.  

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According to fangraphs Willi only trails Kyle Lewis in WAR among AL Rookies, 1.8 to 1.4.  Of course Willi did it in 20 less games.   

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