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9 minutes ago, Shelton said:

When did they start using the rabbit ball? Flyballs are a good outcome if they aren’t going over the fence every couple at bats. 

After the 2015 allstar game.

Flyballs are a good outcome but line drives are not and as you mentioned home runs are not.  I would guess that line drives have also increased somewhat.  

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18 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

After the 2015 allstar game.

Flyballs are a good outcome but line drives are not and as you mentioned home runs are not.  I would guess that line drives have also increased somewhat.  

Do you think it would be fair to say that the fly ball increase isn’t due to hitters deciding to try hitting fly balls more because of the shift, but because pitchers are staying on the inside half of the plate?

It would seem like if fly balls are preferable, batters would try to hit fly balls regardless of whether the shift is on. Right?

Is there a chicken/egg thing going on here? Does the shift become more palatable because more hitters are embracing the type of swing that results in more pulls and fly balls? Or is the increase in fly balls due to hitter decisions in response to the shift?

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Good questions!  I don't think I have any informed answers.  That's something where I'd like to hear the opinion of some smart players.  

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At this point, it just seems like more of the same, with no hint of better days coming, which is sad, because Boyd is one of the nicest guys out there. But the velo is about the same, and the movement on his slider and fastball mostly unchanged, and even after he teased us this spring with more changeups, he only pushed his rate on that pitch from six percent to nine percent. He still doesn’t trust it enough.

And that’s a shame! He’s added two inches of fade and three inches of drop to the pitch. It’s a good pitch! Here’s one getting a whiff:

Without more of these, Boyd is just too predictable, in a Ricky Nolasco less-than-the-sum-of-his-strikeouts-and-walks sort of way. Look at where Boyd throws his fastballs and sliders to righties, and though he stays away from the center of the zone decently well (he has league average Command+ too), he’s really just throwing fastballs up and sliders to the back foot.BoydPItches.png

 

 

https://theathletic.com/2008668/2020/08/20/buy-sell-hold-new-pitches-eno-sarris/

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If you are a subscriber to BP, here is a pretty good article reminding us that not all rebuilds have to include bad teams on an historic scale, nor do all rebuilds end in World Series champions.

 

 

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Mize was 91-96 mph with very good life on his two-seamer, missing some spots within the zone, but the star attraction here was his splitter — a wipeout pitch when he finished it out front, 85-88 mph and just diving out of sight to generate a lot of swings. White Sox hitters swung at nearly three-quarters of the splitters Mize threw, and whiffed on almost half of them. He did hang a couple of them, and had even more trouble getting his two breaking balls down in the zone consistently. He gave up a homer on a hanging curveball to Edwin Encarnación while he had several sliders back up at the top of his velocity range (he was 87-90 mph on the slider, 81-83 mph on the curveball). He punched out 7 without a walk after two trips through Chicago’s order, then gave up run-scoring singles to Tim Anderson and Yoán Moncada before his day was over. But the way Mize missed bats with the splitter and both breaking balls is extremely promising. And he mostly threw strikes, which is why I’ve ranked him so aggressively since he was drafted and I still think he can end up a No. 1 starter.

Keith Law

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20 hours ago, chasfh said:

If you are a subscriber to BP, here is a pretty good article reminding us that not all rebuilds have to include bad teams on an historic scale, nor do all rebuilds end in World Series champions.

 

 

While I don’t disagree with the overall premise, I don’t think it’s fair to lump 2017 in with 2018 and 2019. 
 

To me, this is year 3 of “the rebuild.”

I think we are quite lucky that the emergency midseason 2017 teardown allowed us to finish with the worst record that year (thanks, panda). 

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Still, it was an impressive debut for Mize despite his allowing three runs and seven hits — three on hard-hit balls of 102 mph or higher — in 4.1 innings. He struck out seven without a walk, generated 11 swings and misses from among his 73 pitches (six from among his 19 splitters) and got nine called strikes (six from among his 20 sliders). His four-seam fastball ranged from 92 to 96.2 mph, averaging 94.2. He did get ahead of just 11 of the 20 batters he faced, and gave up the aforementioned scorchers, but Tigers fans have plenty of reasons to be excited about his next turn, and many, many more after that.

As their current losing streak and their underlying metrics illustrate, there was less to the Tigers’ hot start than met the eye, and it shouldn’t be too surprising that they’ve slipped below .500, even if the plunge has been drastic. That said, the starting pitching in particular was in such a sorry state that doing nothing made little sense, particularly with the team having fared respectably through the first third of the season, and with no minor league schedule, taking the wraps off Skubal and Mize at the big league level, despite the sizable jump from partial seasons at Double-A, is defensible. The two pitchers and Paredes are the first Tigers prospects with 50 FV or better to debut in the majors since Fulmer in 2016, though for homegrown ones of that caliber, one has to go back to Nick Castellanos in ’13. In that regard, the Tigers have turned the corner, and while it may well be premature to say so with regards to their competitiveness, what lies ahead — including the arrivals of Manning and Torkelson — should be vastly more compelling than the team’s dismal showings of the past few seasons.

Jay Jaffe/ Fangraphs

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3 hours ago, kdog said:

Jay Jaffe/ Fangraphs

Someone buy that guy a cinnamon raisin bagel, light with the cream cheese. Nice to hear nice about the Tigers. 

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6 minutes ago, leflore said:

Someone buy that guy a cinnamon raisin bagel, light with the cream cheese. Nice to hear nice about the Tigers. 

Come on, now, no need to skimp on the cream cheese. 

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On 8/21/2020 at 1:49 PM, kdog said:

Keith Law

Looking at his statcast numbers Mize's 4 seamer had more horizontal movement than any 4 seamer in baseball thus far.   So being able to touch 97 with more movement than anybody else in baseball to go along with that splitter is potentially a devastating combination.  

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14 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

Looking at his statcast numbers Mize's 4 seamer had more horizontal movement than any 4 seamer in baseball thus far.   So being able to touch 97 with more movement than anybody else in baseball to go along with that splitter is potentially a devastating combination.  

I'd give it a 5/7. 

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I hate that he's taking up a valued spot down there.  Would have preferred to see Bryant Packard or Nick Quintana get the development vs Lugo.

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"My cutter is my highest spin rate," Mize said Sunday. "I think up and in (against) lefties is a really quality pitch, maybe a front-door to a righty every now and then. And then I just reduce spin drastically with the splitter and it falls. It's a good combo."

Against the White Sox, the 23-year-old used 25 fastballs, 20 cutters, 19 splitters and nine curveballs. Instead of painting the top edge of the strike zone, Mize said his cutter drifted toward the middle of the plate too often. But his command of the splitter, his punch-out pitch, was superb.

Most of the time, as Anderson explained Wednesday, organizations don't encourage the use of a splitter unless it's the last resort for an underperforming pitcher toward the end of their career. That's because some believe it increases the chance of an arm injury.

Yet the Tigers have let Mize stick with his.

"It's been a really good pitch for me and it's a weapon," said Mize, who has spoken with Hall of Famer and former Tigers pitcher Jack Morris about how to use the split-finger in the majors while avoiding damage to his arm. "I'd like to hold onto it for as long as I can."

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2020/08/23/casey-mize-detroit-tigers-injuries/3423962001/

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The Tigers have six regulars who currently have an OPS plus of 100 or above (Candelario, Romine, Jones, Reyes, Schoop, and Paredes). Plus, two semi- regulars (both Castros). That's almost mediocre. 

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45 minutes ago, SeattleMike said:

The Tigers have six regulars who currently have an OPS plus of 100 or above (Candelario, Romine, Jones, Reyes, Schoop, and Paredes). Plus, two semi- regulars (both Castros). That's almost mediocre. 

Yep. And I think that's what Al was shooting for this year. 

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Who do people think is our best defensive shortstop right now? I guess the options are niko, willi, and paredes. I think it’s fair to say that it isn’t paredes. 
 

I know willi sucked last year but he got some praise during summer camp. Would it make any sense to get willi more time at SS right now and move niko to an outfield spot or utility role?

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55 minutes ago, Shelton said:

Who do people think is our best defensive shortstop right now? I guess the options are niko, willi, and paredes. I think it’s fair to say that it isn’t paredes. 
 

I know willi sucked last year but he got some praise during summer camp. Would it make any sense to get willi more time at SS right now and move niko to an outfield spot or utility role?

Willi's glove is supposedly fine, but he was sloppy about getting in front of the ball, which supposedly  they fixed, but he still appears to me to be sloppy with his footwork on some of his throws, so I guess he is still a work in progress. I don't think Nko has great range but he makes the plays on what he gets to and he seems to throw quite well - kind of  a thinner Jhonny Peralta?

Paredes looks OK glove wise so far at third, though he has sailed a couple of throws also.

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This blog is feisty:

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Nationally, numerous stories are covering the rise of JaCoby Jones and the hitting coach he hired last year after a scout’s suggestion that he go outside the organization for help. And credit is being given to the Tigers’ Scott Bream, not Lloyd McClendon, for telling Jones he should change his batting stance. But the local dailies, all on cue, wrote articles full of support for Lloyd, who they claim worked “tirelessly” with JaCoby.

One paper went even further, suggesting that Jones’ better offensive skills were the result of him becoming a father.

Almost as good as the story about how much Chris Ilitch loves the Tigers and would never sell because he volunteered on his son’s baseball team.

This same newspaper also had an explanation for Miguel Cabrera’s blowing past Ramon Santiago’s clear stop sign at third base last week. A move that had him cut down at the plate and facilitated a double play that stopped a Tigers’ rally.

Everyone knows that Miggy has routinely ignored the third base coach. (These dailies shrug this all off as “Miggy being Miggy.”) And his latest move angered fans. But this writer had the audacity to state that Miggy no longer has the ability to stop at third base while he’s running because he has a bad knee.

https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2020/08/25/massive-media-manipulation/

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the idea that the four pro teams would be better if the media was more critical of them is beyond parody

It’s not just a coincidence that the Lions, Tigers, Red Wings and Pistons are all horrible.

It’s because they have enablers. Sports “wizards” who are constantly telling fans to “pay no attention to that man behind the curtain” as they pull the levers and spin the dials.

And when you are never called out, or have pressure put upon you, you have no fear or motivation to change. Or improve.

 

 

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I read Holly Hornung when I see links to her articles.  I am not impressed.  She is always negative and most of it seems like nonsense.  

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30 minutes ago, tiger337 said:

I read Holly Hornung when I see links to her articles.  I am not impressed.  She is always negative and most of it seems like nonsense.  

Sports media in Det is simply terrible, but that is mostly because all the area newspapers are dying patients on life support. Tom Kowalski was probably the last good sports journalistic working in Det and he's been gone 9 yrs. Maybe a subscription service like the Athletic will be able to bring a better game eventually. It would be nice to get better sports reporting.

Given that, I don't know if anything in the press has any effect on how good a team is ever going to be.

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7 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Sports media in Det is simply terrible, but that is mostly because all the area newspapers are dying patients on life support. Tom Kowalski was probably the last good sports journalistic working in Det and he's been gone 9 yrs. Maybe a subscription service like the Athletic will be able to bring a better game eventually. It would be nice to get better sports reporting.

Given that, I don't know if anything in the press has any effect on how good a team is ever going to be.

My impression is that there is no baseball journalist in Detroit really worth reading anymore unless they happen to have an inside scoop and that's going to show up on twitter long before it hits the papers.  I don't get the  impression that they are overly optimistic, just not very relevant.    

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