Detroit Tigers Hall of Fame - 1930 Elections

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The names below represent pitchers and hitters who hung up their Tigers uniforms for the final time by the end of the 1930 season, logging at least 300 innings or 1,000 at-bats during their time with Detroit. It also includes non-players who were significant to the organization.

Between these names and the position players below, we will agree upon a list of up to 12 players which will make up the pool of 1930 nominees.

We will be voting on the 1930 nominees as well as the nominees from previous classes who were not elected but who met the minimum vote percentage to remain on the ballot.


Pitchers
1926-1930

Player	        YR	From	To	W	L	WL%	ERA	G	GS	GF	CG	SHO	SV	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	ERA+
Hooks Dauss	15	1912	1926	222	182	0.550	3.30	538	388	121	245	22	40	3390.7	3407	1599	1245	87	1067	1201	102
Lil Stoner	7	1922	1929	50	58	0.463	4.74	217	110	67	45	1	14	984.3	1151	607	518	60	366	296	88
Ken Holloway	7	1922	1928	57	46	0.553	4.41	232	98	80	37	2	16	976.7	1151	577	479	40	338	242	93
Rip Collins	5	1923	1927	44	40	0.524	3.94	137	102	14	34	6	1	743.0	787	419	325	25	240	214	105
Ownie Carroll	5	1925	1930	37	42	0.468	4.12	115	76	26	40	2	3	666.0	730	386	305	25	283	162	103
Sam Gibson	3	1926	1928	28	29	0.491	4.06	88	68	11	32	3	2	500.7	555	290	226	19	214	166	102
Ed Wells	5	1923	1927	24	28	0.462	4.90	115	56	34	19	4	7	444.3	547	287	242	20	191	147	85

Position Players
1926-1930

Player	        YR	From	To	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	SB	CS	OPS+
Ty Cobb	        22	1905	1926	2806	10591	2088	3900	665	284	111	1804	1148	329	.368	.434	.516	865	154	171
Harry Heilmann	15	1914	1929	1991	7297	1209	2499	497	145	164	1442	792	498	.342	.410	.518	111	64	148
Lu Blue	        7	1921	1927	925	3394	669	1002	176	66	19	407	589	236	.295	.403	.403	85	56	110
Bob Fothergill	9	1922	1930	802	2444	381	823	182	47	26	447	152	138	.337	.379	.482	36	46	122
Johnny Bassler	7	1921	1927	767	2240	245	690	98	15	1	312	422	73	.308	.420	.367	10	6	106
Heinie Manush	5	1923	1927	615	2099	385	674	124	42	38	345	149	129	.321	.379	.475	48	26	120
Jackie Tavener	5	1921	1928	540	1881	229	490	79	49	11	216	160	203	.260	.321	.372	45	27	79
Larry Woodall	10	1920	1929	548	1317	161	353	52	15	1	161	159	67	.268	.347	.333	16	4	77
Al Wingo	5	1924	1928	478	1267	215	391	86	16	9	189	207	107	.309	.406	.423	23	22	114
Harry Rice	3	1928	1930	298	1174	200	356	60	19	14	174	124	58	.303	.374	.422	26	26	105
Hooks Dauss*	15	1912	1926	540	1124	107	212	41	14	6	107	141	288	.189	.284	.266	3	1	54
Jack Warner	4	1925	1928	324	1115	159	284	34	19	1	94	104	90	.255	.325	.322	26	12	68
Frank O'Rourke	3	1924	1926	282	1026	159	279	67	10	6	117	79	89	.272	.337	.374	20	18	83

* - Dauss qualifies as a hitter as well as a pitcher.
Final 1930 nominees as chosen by voting committee appear in blue.


Carryover Nominees
1901-1925

Player	        YR	From	To	W	L	WL%	ERA	G	GS	GF	CG	SHO	SV	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	ERA+
Harry Coveleski	5	1914	1918	69	43	0.616	2.34	157	125	22	68	9	8	1023.3	887	385	266	12	270	400	123
Ed Siever	5	1901	1908	60	54	0.526	2.61	143	123	19	93	11	2	1036.0	1070	460	301	15	207	303	121
Ed Summers	5	1908	1912	68	45	0.602	2.42	138	112	22	79	9	3	999.0	930	404	269	19	221	362	111

Player	        YR	From	To	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	SB	CS	OPS+
Donie Bush	14	1908	1921	1872	6970	1242	1745	181	73	9	427	1125	334	.250	.357	.301	400	71	92
Davy Jones	8	1906	1918	646	2175	412	586	47	19	0	138	272	0	.269	.355	.309	140	0	100
Jimmy Barrett	5	1901	1905	589	2259	383	660	59	30	10	174	309	0	.292	.382	.358	92	0	118
Germany Schaefer5	1905	1909	626	2236	279	558	75	25	8	195	158	0	.250	.300	.316	123	0	94
Jim Delahanty	4	1909	1912	375	1336	213	409	70	18	6	200	158	0	.306	.394	.399	48	0	129

Committee Members:

• Voting Deadline - Friday, March 2nd at 11:59 PM
• Vote for up to 5 of the player nominees listed in blue above (1930 Pitchers, 1930 Position Players, and 1901-25 Carryover Nominees).
• Votes for non-players (managers, owners, presidents, broadcasters, etc.) do not count against your 5-vote limit.

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Johnny Bassler - Season Statistics

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 1921 26 DET AL 119  388   37  119  18  5   0   56   2  1  58  16  .307  .401  .379  101  147  14           3    
 1922 27 DET AL 121  372   41  120  14  0   0   41   2  1  62  12  .323  .422  .360  108  134  17           2     MVP-6
 1923 28 DET AL 135  383   45  114  12  3   0   49   2  2  76  13  .298  .414  .345  103  132  18           0     MVP-7
 1924 29 DET AL 124  379   43  131  20  3   1   68   2  1  62  11  .346  .441  .422  125  160  12           3     MVP-5
 1925 30 DET AL 121  344   40   96  19  3   0   52   1  1  74   6  .279  .408  .352   95  121  14           1    
 1926 31 DET AL  66  174   20   53   8  1   0   22   0  0  45   6  .305  .447  .362  112   63   8           0    
 1927 32 DET AL  81  200   19   57   7  0   0   24   1  0  45   9  .285  .416  .320   92   64   9           0

Lu Blue - Season Statistics

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 1921 24 DET AL 153  585  103  180  33 11   5   75  13 17 103  47  .308  .416  .427  116  250  16           5    
 1922 25 DET AL 145  584  131  175  31  9   6   45   8  5  82  48  .300  .392  .414  113  242   8           7     MVP-10
 1923 26 DET AL 129  504  100  143  27  7   1   46  10 11  96  40  .284  .402  .371  106  187  10           4    
 1924 27 DET AL 108  395   81  123  26  7   2   53   9  4  64  26  .311  .413  .428  119  169  13           4     MVP-19
 1925 28 DET AL 150  532   91  163  18  9   3   94  19  5  83  29  .306  .403  .391  103  208  34           3     MVP-12
 1926 29 DET AL 128  429   92  123  24 14   1   52  13  7  90  18  .287  .413  .415  115  178  17           2    
 1927 30 DET AL 112  365   71   95  17  9   1   42  13  7  71  28  .260  .384  .364   94  133  16           2

Ownie Carroll - Season Statistics

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  W   L   G   GS  CG SHO  GF SV   IP     H    R   ER   HR  BB   SO  HBP  WP  BFP  IBB  BK  ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
 1925 22 DET AL   2   2  10   4   1   0   3  0   40.7   46   30   17   1   28   12   2   3   191       0  3.76  4.30  114 1.820
 1927 24 DET AL  10   6  31  15   8   0  13  0  172.0  186   99   76   5   73   41   6   3   762       1  3.98  4.22  106 1.506
 1928 25 DET AL  16  12  34  28  19   2   5  2  231.0  219  100   84   6   87   51   7   3   967       0  3.27  4.12  126 1.325 MVP-20
 1929 26 DET AL   9  17  34  26  12   0   5  1  202.0  249  133  104  10   86   54   8   6   926       0  4.63  4.28   92 1.658
 1930 27 DET AL   0   5   6   3   0   0   0  0   20.3   30   24   24   3    9    4   0   0    99       0 10.62  4.79   45 1.918

Ty Cobb - Season Statistics

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 1905 18 DET AL  41  150   19   36   6  0   1   15   2     10      .240  .288  .300   86   45   4           0    
 1906 19 DET AL  98  358   45  113  15  5   1   34  23     19      .316  .355  .394  131  141  14           3    
 1907 20 DET AL 150  605   97  212  28 14   5  119  49     24      .350  .380  .468  166  283  12           5    
 1908 21 DET AL 150  581   88  188  36 20   4  108  39     34      .324  .367  .475  169  276  14           6    
 1909 22 DET AL 156  573  116  216  33 10   9  107  76     48      .377  .431  .517  194  296  24           6    
 1910 23 DET AL 140  506  106  194  35 13   8   91  65     64      .383  .456  .551  206  279  16           4    
 1911 24 DET AL 146  591  147  248  47 24   8  127  83     44      .420  .467  .621  196  367  11           8     MVP-1
 1912 25 DET AL 140  553  120  226  30 23   7   83  61     43      .409  .456  .584  200  323   8           5     MVP-7
 1913 26 DET AL 122  428   70  167  18 16   4   67  51     58  31  .390  .467  .535  194  229  11           4     MVP-20
 1914 27 DET AL  98  345   69  127  22 11   2   57  35 17  57  22  .368  .466  .513  190  177   6           6     MVP-14
 1915 28 DET AL 156  563  144  208  31 13   3   99  96 38 118  43  .369  .486  .487  185  274   9          10    
 1916 29 DET AL 145  542  113  201  31 10   5   68  68 24  78  39  .371  .452  .493  179  267  14           2    
 1917 30 DET AL 152  588  107  225  44 24   6  102  55     61  34  .383  .444  .570  209  335  16           4    
 1918 31 DET AL 111  421   83  161  19 14   3   64  34     41  21  .382  .440  .515  193  217   9           2    
 1919 32 DET AL 124  497   92  191  36 13   1   70  28     38  22  .384  .429  .515  166  256   9           1    
 1920 33 DET AL 112  428   86  143  28  8   2   63  15 10  58  28  .334  .416  .451  131  193   7           2    
 1921 34 DET AL 128  507  124  197  37 16  12  101  22 15  56  19  .389  .452  .596  166  302  15           3    
 1922 35 DET AL 137  526   99  211  42 16   4   99   9 13  55  24  .401  .462  .565  170  297  27           4    
 1923 36 DET AL 145  556  103  189  40  7   6   88   9 10  66  14  .340  .413  .469  134  261  22           3    
 1924 37 DET AL 155  625  115  211  38 10   4   78  23 14  85  18  .338  .418  .450  125  281  15           1    
 1925 38 DET AL 121  415   97  157  31 12  12  102  13  9  65  12  .378  .468  .598  170  248   5           5    
 1926 39 DET AL  79  233   48   79  18  5   4   62   9  4  26   2  .339  .408  .511  137  119  13           1

Rip Collins - Season Statistics

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  W   L   G   GS  CG SHO  GF SV   IP     H    R   ER   HR  BB   SO  HBP  WP  BFP  IBB  BK  ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
 1923 27 DET AL   3   7  17  14   3   1   1  0   92.3  104   61   50   3   22   25  10   5   415       0  4.87  3.86   79 1.365
 1924 28 DET AL  14   7  34  30  11   1   2  0  216.0  199   99   77   6   63   75   4   4   893       0  3.21  4.10  128 1.213
 1925 29 DET AL   6  11  26  20   5   0   2  0  140.0  149   86   71   7   52   33   6   4   610       0  4.56  4.30   94 1.436
 1926 30 DET AL   8   8  30  13   5   3   7  1  122.0  128   57   37   4   44   44   7   3   526       3  2.73  4.06  149 1.410
 1927 31 DET AL  13   7  30  25  10   1   2  0  172.7  207  116   90   5   59   37   8   3   768       1  4.69  4.22   90 1.541

Hooks Dauss - Season Statistics

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  W   L   G   GS  CG SHO  GF SV   IP     H    R   ER   HR  BB   SO  HBP  WP  BFP  IBB  BK  ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
 1912 22 DET AL   1   1   2   2   2   0   0  0   17.0   11    7    6   0    9    7   3   0    71       0  3.18  3.27  103 1.176
 1913 23 DET AL  13  12  33  29  22   2   4  1  225.0  188  101   62   4   82  107  13   8   918       0  2.48  2.93  118 1.200
 1914 24 DET AL  18  15  45  35  22   3   8  4  302.0  286  126   96   3   87  150  18   8  1218       0  2.86  2.82   98 1.235
 1915 25 DET AL  24  13  46  35  27   1   9  2  309.7  261  115   86   1  115  132  11   8  1235       0  2.50  3.02  121 1.214
 1916 26 DET AL  19  12  39  29  18   1   9  4  238.7  220  102   85   2   90   95  16   8   961       1  3.21  2.85   89 1.299
 1917 27 DET AL  17  14  37  31  22   6   5  2  270.7  243  105   73   3   87  102   7   4  1090       1  2.43  2.63  109 1.219
 1918 28 DET AL  12  16  33  26  21   1   7  3  249.7  243  105   83   3   58   73   9   5  1027       0  2.99  2.66   89 1.206
 1919 29 DET AL  21   9  34  32  22   2   1  0  256.3  262  125  101   9   63   73   5   1  1049       0  3.55  3.19   90 1.268
 1920 30 DET AL  13  21  38  32  18   0   6  0  270.3  308  158  107  11   84   82   8   3  1174       0  3.56  3.71  104 1.450
 1921 31 DET AL  10  15  32  28  16   0   4  1  233.0  275  141  112  11   81   68  13   1  1047       1  4.33  4.28   99 1.528
 1922 32 DET AL  13  13  39  25  12   1  13  4  218.7  251  123  102   7   59   78   6   0   967       0  4.20  3.87   92 1.418
 1923 33 DET AL  21  13  50  39  22   4   9  3  316.0  331  140  127  10   78  105   7   1  1340       0  3.62  3.86  107 1.294
 1924 34 DET AL  12  11  40  10   5   0  20  6  131.3  155   78   67   6   40   44   1   0   580       0  4.59  4.10   89 1.485
 1925 35 DET AL  16  11  35  30  16   1   3  1  228.0  238  110   80  11   85   58   4   1   990       1  3.16  4.30  136 1.417
 1926 36 DET AL  12   6  35   5   0   0  23  9  124.3  135   63   58   6   49   27   0   0   536       0  4.20  4.06   97 1.480

Bob Fothergill - Season Statistics

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 1922 24 DET AL  42  152   20   49  12  4   0   29   1  5   8   9  .322  .356  .454  113   69   3           0    
 1923 25 DET AL 101  241   34   76  18  2   1   49   5  4  12  19  .315  .358  .419  106  101  11           4    
 1924 26 DET AL  54  166   28   50   8  3   0   15   2  3   5  13  .301  .326  .386   84   64   7           1    
 1925 27 DET AL  71  204   38   72  14  0   2   28   3  2   6   3  .353  .377  .451  110   92  11           2    
 1926 28 DET AL 110  387   63  142  31  7   3   73   4 12  33  23  .367  .421  .506  140  196  14           3     MVP-12
 1927 29 DET AL 143  527   93  189  38  9   9  114   9 15  47  31  .359  .413  .516  139  272  17           2    
 1928 30 DET AL 111  347   49  110  28 10   3   63   8  3  24  19  .317  .366  .481  119  167  10           3    
 1929 31 DET AL 115  277   42   98  24  9   6   62   3  1  11  11  .354  .378  .570  141  158   5           0    
 1930 32 DET AL  55  143   14   37   9  3   2   14   1  1   6  10  .259  .289  .406   72   58   4           0

Sam Gibson - Season Statistics

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  W   L   G   GS  CG SHO  GF SV   IP     H    R   ER   HR  BB   SO  HBP  WP  BFP  IBB  BK  ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
 1926 26 DET AL  12   9  35  24  16   2   6  2  196.3  199   94   76   6   75   61   6   4   847       1  3.48  4.06  116 1.396
 1927 27 DET AL  11  12  33  26  11   0   4  0  184.7  201  113   78   9   86   76   8   6   832       0  3.80  4.22  111 1.554
 1928 28 DET AL   5   8  20  18   5   1   1  0  119.7  155   83   72   4   53   29   7   1   565       0  5.42  4.12   76 1.738

Harry Heilmann - Season Statistics

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 1914 19 DET AL  69  182   25   41   8  1   2   18   1  8  22  29  .225  .316  .313   87   57  12           2    
 1916 21 DET AL 136  451   57  127  30 11   2   73   9     42  40  .282  .349  .410  124  185  15           5    
 1917 22 DET AL 150  556   57  156  22 11   5   86  11     41  54  .281  .333  .387  120  215  19           3    
 1918 23 DET AL  79  286   34   79  10  6   5   39  13     35  10  .276  .359  .406  134  116   8           2    
 1919 24 DET AL 140  537   74  172  30 15   8   93   7     37  41  .320  .366  .477  137  256  18           2    
 1920 25 DET AL 145  543   66  168  28  5   9   89   3  7  39  32  .309  .358  .429  110  233  18           2    
 1921 26 DET AL 149  602  114  237  43 14  19  139   2  6  53  37  .394  .444  .606  167  365  15           2    
 1922 27 DET AL 118  455   92  162  27 10  21   92   8  4  58  28  .356  .432  .598  169  272  11           3     MVP-12
 1923 28 DET AL 144  524  121  211  44 11  18  115   9  7  74  40  .403  .481  .632  194  331  23           5     MVP-3
 1924 29 DET AL 153  570  107  197  45 16  10  114  13  5  78  41  .346  .428  .533  149  304  26           4     MVP-9
 1925 30 DET AL 150  573   97  225  40 11  13  134   6  6  67  27  .393  .457  .569  160  326  23           1     MVP-4
 1926 31 DET AL 141  502   90  184  41  8   9  103   6  7  67  19  .367  .445  .534  153  268  25           4     MVP-5
 1927 32 DET AL 141  505  106  201  50  9  14  120  11  5  72  16  .398  .475  .616  180  311  17           2     MVP-2
 1928 33 DET AL 151  558   83  183  38 10  14  107   7  3  57  45  .328  .390  .507  132  283  18           0     MVP-15
 1929 34 DET AL 125  453   86  156  41  7  15  120   5  6  50  39  .344  .412  .565  149  256  14           2

Ken Holloway - Season Statistics

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  W   L   G   GS  CG SHO  GF SV   IP     H    R   ER   HR  BB   SO  HBP  WP  BFP  IBB  BK  ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
 1922 24 DET AL   0   0   1   0   0   0   1  0    1.0    1    1    0   0    0    1   0   0     5       0  0.00  3.87  inf 1.000
 1923 25 DET AL  11  10  42  24   7   1   9  1  194.0  232  117   96  12   75   55  10   2   879       0  4.45  3.86   87 1.582
 1924 26 DET AL  14   6  49  14   5   0  21  3  181.3  209  105   82   6   61   46   6   1   798       1  4.07  4.10  101 1.489
 1925 27 DET AL  13   4  38  14   6   0  10  2  157.7  170   90   81   8   67   29   2   2   697       0  4.62  4.30   93 1.503
 1926 28 DET AL   4   6  36  12   3   0  14  2  139.0  192   94   79   2   42   43   8   2   635       1  5.12  4.06   79 1.683
 1927 29 DET AL  11  12  36  23  11   1  10  6  183.3  210  103   83  10   61   36   4   2   804       0  4.07  4.22  103 1.478
 1928 30 DET AL   4   8  30  11   5   0  15  2  120.3  137   67   58   2   32   32   5   2   544       1  4.34  4.12   95 1.404

Heinie Manush - Season Statistics

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 1923 21 DET AL 109  308   59  103  20  5   4   54   3  5  20  21  .334  .406  .471  132  145  13          17    
 1924 22 DET AL 120  422   83  122  24  8   9   68  14  5  27  30  .289  .355  .448  108  189  20          16    
 1925 23 DET AL  99  278   46   84  14  3   5   47   8  3  24  21  .302  .362  .428  101  119   8           2    
 1926 24 DET AL 136  498   95  188  35  8  14   86  11  5  31  28  .378  .421  .564  154  281  28           6     MVP-5
 1927 25 DET AL 151  593  102  177  31 18   6   90  12  8  47  29  .298  .354  .442  105  262  15           4

Frank O'Rourke - Season Statistics

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 1924 29 DET AL  47  181   28   50  11  2   0   19   7  4  12  19  .276  .332  .359   80   65  10           3    
 1925 30 DET AL 124  482   88  141  40  7   5   57   5  8  32  37  .293  .350  .436   99  210  29          11    
 1926 31 DET AL 111  363   43   88  16  1   1   41   8  6  35  33  .242  .321  .300   62  109  17           7

Harry Rice - Season Statistics

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 1928 26 DET AL 131  510   87  154  21 12   6   81  20 13  44  27  .302  .360  .425  104  217  17           2     MVP-20
 1929 27 DET AL 130  536   97  163  33  7   6   69   6 10  61  23  .304  .379  .425  107  228  12           4    
 1930 28 DET AL  37  128   16   39   6  0   2   24   0  3  19   8  .305  .403  .398  102   51   4           2

Lil Stoner - Season Statistics

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  W   L   G   GS  CG SHO  GF SV   IP     H    R   ER   HR  BB   SO  HBP  WP  BFP  IBB  BK  ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
 1922 23 DET AL   4   4  17   7   2   0   6  0   62.7   76   53   49   3   35   18   3   2   289       0  7.04  3.87   55 1.771
 1924 25 DET AL  11  11  36  25  10   1   7  0  215.7  271  130  113  13   65   66   5   1   965       0  4.72  4.10   87 1.558
 1925 26 DET AL  10   9  34  18   8   0  11  1  152.0  166   79   72   6   53   51   9   4   665       0  4.26  4.30  101 1.441
 1926 27 DET AL   7  10  32  22   7   0   5  0  159.7  179  115   97  11   63   57   3   6   705       0  5.47  4.06   74 1.516
 1927 28 DET AL  10  13  38  24  13   0  12  5  215.0  251  118   95   9   77   63   3   6   946       1  3.98  4.22  106 1.526
 1928 29 DET AL   5   8  36  11   4   0  16  4  126.3  151   75   61  16   42   29   3   1   589       0  4.35  4.12   95 1.528
 1929 30 DET AL   3   3  24   3   1   0  10  4   53.0   57   37   31   2   31   12   2   3   242       0  5.26  4.28   81 1.660

Jackie Tavener - Season Statistics

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 1921 23 DET AL   2    4    0    0   0  0   0    0   0  0   0   1  .000  .000  .000 -100    0   0           0    
 1925 27 DET AL 134  453   45  111  11 11   0   47   5  4  39  60  .245  .309  .318   60  144  25           3    
 1926 28 DET AL 156  532   65  141  22 14   1   58   8  7  52  53  .265  .332  .365   81  194  28           1    
 1927 29 DET AL 116  419   60  115  22  9   5   59  19  8  36  38  .274  .333  .406   90  170  18           1     MVP-13
 1928 30 DET AL 132  473   59  123  24 15   5   52  13  8  33  51  .260  .314  .406   86  192  19           4

Jack Warner - Season Statistics

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 1925 21 DET AL  10   39    7   13   0  0   0    2   0  0   3   6  .333  .381  .333   83   13   0           0    
 1926 22 DET AL 100  311   41   78   8  6   0   34   8  4  38  24  .251  .342  .315   71   98  16           5    
 1927 23 DET AL 139  559   78  149  22  9   1   45  14  4  47  45  .267  .330  .343   74  192  17           6    
 1928 24 DET AL  75  206   33   44   4  4   0   13   4  4  16  15  .214  .274  .272   42   56   6           1

Ed Wells - Season Statistics

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  W   L   G   GS  CG SHO  GF SV   IP     H    R   ER   HR  BB   SO  HBP  WP  BFP  IBB  BK  ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
 1923 23 DET AL   0   0   7   0   0   0   6  0   10.0   11    6    6   0    6    6   0   0    44       0  5.40  3.86   72 1.700
 1924 24 DET AL   6   8  29  15   5   0   8  4  102.0  117   58   46   2   42   33   1   0   476       0  4.06  4.10  101 1.559
 1925 25 DET AL   6   9  35  14   5   0  13  2  134.3  190  106   93   8   62   45   2   4   638       3  6.23  4.30   69 1.876
 1926 26 DET AL  12  10  36  26   9   4   5  0  178.0  201  101   82   7   76   58   2   0   778       0  4.15  4.06   98 1.556
 1927 27 DET AL   0   1   8   1   0   0   2  1   20.0   28   16   15   3    5    5   0   0    91       1  6.75  4.22   62 1.650

Al Wingo - Season Statistics

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 1919 21 PHA AL  15   59    9   18   1  3   0    2   0      4  12  .305  .349  .424  115   25   0           0    
 1924 26 DET AL  78  150   21   43  12  2   1   26   2  5  21  13  .287  .374  .413  105   62   3           0    
 1925 27 DET AL 130  440  104  163  34 10   5   68  14 13  69  31  .370  .456  .527  150  232  15           0     MVP-12
 1926 28 DET AL 108  298   45   84  19  0   1   45   4  2  52  32  .282  .389  .356   94  106  10           0    
 1927 29 DET AL  75  137   15   32   8  2   0   20   1  0  25  14  .234  .352  .321   75   44   5           0    
 1928 30 DET AL  87  242   30   69  13  2   2   30   2  2  40  17  .285  .389  .380  101   92   4           1

Larry Woodall - Season Statistics

 Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
 1920 25 DET AL  18   49    4   12   1  0   0    5   0  0   2   6  .245  .275  .265   45   13   3           0    
 1921 26 DET AL  46   80   10   29   4  1   0   14   1  0   6   7  .362  .407  .438  116   35   6           0    
 1922 27 DET AL  50  125   19   43   2  2   0   18   0  1   8  11  .344  .388  .392  106   49   2           1    
 1923 28 DET AL  71  148   20   41  12  2   1   19   2  1  22   9  .277  .371  .405  106   60   5           0    
 1924 29 DET AL  67  165   23   51   9  2   0   25   0  0  21   5  .309  .387  .388  102   64   4           0    
 1925 30 DET AL  75  171   20   35   4  1   0   13   1  0  24   8  .205  .303  .240   39   41   3           0    
 1926 31 DET AL  67  146   18   34   5  0   0   15   0  0  15   2  .233  .304  .267   49   39   4           0    
 1927 32 DET AL  88  246   28   69   8  6   0   39   9  1  37   9  .280  .375  .362   91   89   9           0    
 1928 33 DET AL  65  186   19   39   7  1   0   13   3  1  24  10  .210  .300  .258   47   48   6           0    
 1929 34 DET AL   1    1    0    0   0  0   0    0   0  0   0   0  .000  .000  .000 -100    0   0           0

[DaYooperASBDT]

My personal top ten:
Bassler
Blue
Cobb
Dauss
Fothergill
Heilman
Manush
Rice
Holloway
Gibson

Best of the rest:
#11 Carroll
#12 Stoner
#13 Collins
#14 Wingo

[squid]

Looks like 3 automatics and a lot of homework for my other two votes.

[DTroppens]

12 nominees Easy

Pitchers: Dauss, Stone, Holloway (and the final two are because of service here)

Batters: Cobb, Heilmann, Blue, Fothergill, Bassler, Manush,Woodall, Wingo, Rice.

Our offense was simply awesome during this era for the most part while our pitching was terrible. People gripe about Cobb as a manager. Look at some of those years we had with him as manager despite some really lousy staff - staffs that Lil' Stoner and Holloway played key roles on by the way. Hooks Dauss was our only consistent saving grace at any level.

[squid]

My printer at home sucks and it's way cheaper to use company paper to print all the stats from baseball-reference. Hope it's a slow day at work so I can get started.

[estrepe1]

Hooks gets big points in my book for longevity. Pitchers in that era just didn't last. The fact that he was able to throw 3300+ inning is very impressive.

I will go with Troppens ballot ideas. I think there are 12 nominees as well.

Greatest hitter in Tigers history up on the ballot this time.

[DaYooperASBDT]

I would favor Gibson and Carroll over a backup catcher (Woodall). Not that any of those 3 likely will get a single vote.

[DTroppens]

A quick tidbit

Lu Blue
He was considered a very fine first baseman. And even as late as the 20s that was looked for more than you'd think for a first baseman.

[squid]

I agree with the nominees, and I agree that this will be our toughest vote yet. At first glance 3 stand out. I'm excited to compare the stats and intangibles that will compete for my 2 other votes.

[dt35456884]

The depth of talent in the '30 class is astonishing. And yet I still may very well use two votes on carryover nominees.

Agreed on Dauss. The sheer magnitude of his career makes him a shoe-in in my book. Save Mullin, no one ever pitched more innings in a Tigers uniform. That is an incredible feat.

[DaYooperASBDT]

The 4 that jump out at me are Cobb, Heilman, Blue, and Dauss. Most of the others were not in Detroit long enough, or don't appear to meet my cutters.

Fothergill - I may give some thought to Rotund Robert, but his being a part-time player is a strike against him.

[DTroppens]

Woodall makes it because of time served. However, I'm not going to fight it too hard. The bottom of this list will be gone by this time next week.

[squid]

Blue is the one I will be doing most of my research on. At first glance, and that's all it is, gonna have to research and compare #'s.

[DTroppens]

Fothergill will definitely get a look from me.
Throw Bassler in there though too. He had some strong seasons for us and did it as a catcher. Like any catcher he was considered slow but was considered very strong defensively.

He will get consideration. But that's what is going to make this tough. We have some locks that I have to vote for leaving very little room for error with the other selections.

[whitecapwendy]

I had been looking at some of these a couple weeks ago, and Cobb, Heilman, and Blue stood out immediately to me as well. I need to look carefully at the others.

[estrepe1]

Blue is borderline for me I haven't made up my mind with him.

[DTroppens]

Next election (I like to do this to keep people looking ahead a bit)

George Uhle: One of the best hitting pitchers of all time. He was used as a pinch hitter a ton.
Earl Whitehill: His wife was the model on Sun Maid Raisins. Apparently a hottie.

[squid]

After a quick visit to baseball-reference and wikipedia, I still think Donie Bush is a better candidate than Lu Blue, I'll gather info and post why by Tuesday night. Who knows, I may change my mind and go with Blue.

[whitecapwendy]

This is going to be a tough class. There are too many holdovers that I would like to see make it. Most will more than likely carry over, but Summers is going to be gone (I really wanted him to make it, but there are too many others that merited my vote over him the last couple classes. Any chance he can come up again when we get to the annual elections?

[DTroppens]

Yeah,
I have promoted Blue a bit even since a few weeks ago but I'm shocked how much immediate love he's getting. He'll definitely be under consideration but I can't say he's going to be on my ballot.
I think that Cobb guy may make it but I won't say more than that for sure right now - although one is definitely on and another is about 75% on it already. I won't say if those people are newbies or vets on the ballot although I think people can guess who the lock is.

[estrepe1]

DTroppens don't forget Frank Navin and Ty Tyson will be on the next ballot as well I believe...

[DTroppens]

Squid,
I am actually leaning your way as well. There's a very good chance those two will be battling for a fifth spot on my ballot. In many ways they are very comparable.

[whitecapwendy]

Originally Posted by DTroppens

Next election (I like to do this to keep people looking ahead a bit)

George Uhle: One of the best hitting pitchers of all time. He was used as a pinch hitter a ton.
Earl Whitehill: His wife was the model on Sun Maid Raisins. Apparently a hottie.

Sorry, I am not going to vote for a baseball player because his wife was a hottie (good thing there is one woman on this team to keep you guys in check ) I will, however, check his stats like everyone else

[dt35456884]

Originally Posted by estrepe1

DTroppens don't forget Frank Navin and Ty Tyson will be on the next ballot as well I believe...

Navin's up in 1935. Ty Tyson's career carried on until the '50s.

[DTroppens]

Tyson wouldn't be the next one for sure. He went well past 1935 and into the 1950s

[estrepe1]

I have 3 locks right now and about 4 players that could end up with the last 2 spots on my ballot.

[estrepe1]

Originally Posted by DTroppens

Tyson wouldn't be the next one for sure. He went well past 1935 and into the 1950s

Oops. Oh well. But Navin is up for sure.

[squid]

This probly should be in the philosophy thread, but does anyone else rank the players they vote for?

[whitecapwendy]

Originally Posted by DTroppens

Yeah,
I have promoted Blue a bit even since a few weeks ago but I'm shocked how much immediate love he's getting. He'll definitely be under consideration but I can't say he's going to be on my ballot.
I think that Cobb guy may make it but I won't say more than that for sure right now - although one is definitely on and another is about 75% on it already. I won't say if those people are newbies or vets on the ballot although I think people can guess who the lock is.

I am not necessarily giving Blue "love." He is just one that caught my eye as being impressive while looking up names a couple weeks ago. I have a lot of research to do. Many of the others are unknown to me.

[DTroppens]

Whitehill probably ranks as one of the best "average" pitchers we've ever had or the worst "solid" pitcher we ever had or however you want to say it. His longevity and occasional strong years will merit him consideration.

[whitecapwendy]

Right now, I only have one lock. (bet you can't guess)

[squid]

Wow Wendy, I have 3 that I don't even have to research.

[estrepe1]

Originally Posted by squid

Wow Wendy, I have 3 that I don't even have to research.

I am the same way. There are two there I hope would be locks for anyone. My third lock could be more debatable.

[whitecapwendy]

A month ago, this era of names was exactly that--names. The only one that I had even heard of was Cobb. I tell you, I am very new at this. Well, time for me to head to bed. Saturday is my research day. Good night all.

[dt35456884]

Originally Posted by whitecapwendy

Right now, I only have one lock. (bet you can't guess)

If Harry Heilmann isn't a lock, I really have to wonder what you're thinking.

[DTroppens]

Squid
I do this.
1. Initial impression (I have a strong basis initially because this is one of my favorite subjects in the entire world. Plus I've actually rated players throughout Tiger history for a game I play).
2. Glance through a book like Neft and Cohen's Baseball Encyclopedia to solidify my feeling about that player. It's a great book because it has the starters listed year-by-year and the pitchers rated straight down from wins. And on the same pages you can compare the other players at those positions with the rest of the AL teams. If people don't have this book, GET IT! It's paperback and I think costs $23.95. I usually get it every other year but since the Tigers went to the World Series this year I got it back-to-back years. It's great to pick the book up, flip to a page and look at the Tigers about five years before that year and five years into the future. To see how the team progressed or regressed with its moves is very easy with this book in a simplistic form. For some years it may tell you why a guy suddenly had 95 games played when he usually played 133 games with an injury code. You do this for a year and you'll start memorizing seasons to a decent amount. At least be able to say 1) penant contender, 2) solid team, 3) average team, 4) slightly below average or 5) yuck. Until the 1990s we have very few yuck teams (check 1952).

3. Look at other data and books I have and look for my favorite stories. For about a three year period I kept a notebook next to me and wrote anything I saw about a player in that book. It was painstakingly slow so I kind of stopped doing it. I wish I didn't but I did. But every player we've posted here I have at least a limited amount of data in my notebook here. As little as I posted, it's amazing how much I have. Also look at theballplayers.com (that's it or very close), and any of the books out there that detail player careers.

4. Starting to look at the Sporting News collecting at paper of record or for the years I printed Detroit articles in the paper, use those. Go to retrosheet.com and look at some boxes for the years boxes are there. You can get a sense where a guy batted in the lineup and all sorts of things.

5. A grilling statistical look with traditional tools, tools used at that time and today's tools.

6. My game play with players. If a guy was lucky and batted .350 I don't use that, but by looking at game cards you learn what guys were good at or weak at. Nothing has taught me more about Tiger history than doing this with my encyclopedia sitting next to me. Right now I'm doing this with a 1923 Negro National League replay with a Negro League book next to me and soon I hope to do the same for a 1940s or 1950s PCL season.

7. Other crap that I won't go into.

[estrepe1]

I look at longevity and excellence. I have standards that I have set for both and I am sticking to them.

If someone is borderline I read up on them a bit. However if their stats are there they should be too.

[DTroppens]

Free baseball computer game

It's very basic and not the greatest but it's pretty darn good for being free. Do a search for SBS baseball. Download the game. There is a new library and an old library where you can download many seasons. Not just AL and NL but the Federal League, Japanesse baseball, the 1923 Negro National League, Cuban seasons, Mexican seasons, Texas League and many minor league seasons. It's one of those things you may get addicted to for a night or a weekend and then never play again, but it'll be fun for those few days. You can make lineups and play actual season schedules. You will get a feel of these seasons. If you put yourself in that era and play the game like it was played then you'll learn even more.

[whitecapwendy]

Originally Posted by dt35456884

If Harry Heilmann isn't a lock, I really have to wonder what you're thinking.

On a list I was compiling as I was skimming over names and numbers a couple weeks ago, I wrote 6 names down for this class Cobb, Heilman, Bassler, Blue, Daus and Fothergill. Cobb I know enough about to know that he is a lock. All the others are still names to me. Now I need to go back and find out why these names caught my eye, and compare them to the others that are on the list. Once I have had a chance to look at everyone, I am sure that I will have definite choices. I will also need to compare these with guys on the carry over list. I have not yet looked at the stats of all of those on the list--I want to do that when I am more awake and ready to concentrate.