06-05-12--DETROIT VS CLEVELAND--7:05 PM

**John_Brian_K** · 06-04-2012, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Shelton

I'm just curious who the rag rah Joey blue skies people are.

I think everyone is upset with the team's performance to date.

I am about as positive as they come and I have been pretty disgusted by the teams play as a whole so far this year...that does not make me a bandwagon fan or negative...it is a fact. They have been bad SO FAR. There is plenty of time to get better. When the team starts hitting they will look like world beaters...even if the pitching continues to struggle.

I hate the 'minor league' -v- 'major league' poster thread idea. Sounds elitist...because it is. The 'ignore' feature is there for this exact reason. If you do not have the time to ignore those 'new posters' then I do not know what to say. You will get out of this site what you put into it. Just my thoughts.

**Juck Verllo** · 06-04-2012, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Yoda

Has nobody on the board noticed that Trok was also banned?

Wow never noticed...
Another banned poster: Uncle Ty. ha ha ha

**tiger337** · 06-04-2012, 12:03 PM

I did not notice that T-rok got banned. He goes back ten years I think.

**Yoda** · 06-04-2012, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by John_Brian_K

I am about as positive as they come and I have been pretty disgusted by the teams play as a whole so far this year...that does not make me a bandwagon fan or negative...it is a fact. They have been bad SO FAR. There is plenty of time to get better. When the team starts hitting they will look like world beaters...even if the pitching continues to struggle.

I hate the 'minor league' -v- 'major league' poster thread idea. Sounds elitist...because it is. The 'ignore' feature is there for this exact reason. If you do not have the time to ignore those 'new posters' then I do not know what to say. You will get out of this site what you put into it. Just my thoughts.

^^ This.

**Casimir** · 06-04-2012, 12:31 PM

Closer to last place than first place as of June 4. This nearly 2 month streak of poor play has to end at some point, doesn't it?

**catswithbats** · 06-04-2012, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by tiger337

I did not notice that T-rok got banned. He goes back ten years I think.

I didn't notice that either. Whoa.

**catswithbats** · 06-04-2012, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by John_Brian_K

I am about as positive as they come and I have been pretty disgusted by the teams play as a whole so far this year...that does not make me a bandwagon fan or negative...it is a fact. They have been bad SO FAR. There is plenty of time to get better. When the team starts hitting they will look like world beaters...even if the pitching continues to struggle.

Agreed. This still has the potential to be a fun summer, even if it doesn't seem like it right now. I think there are still some reasons to be optimistic. It just needs to start coming together soon.

**FloridaTigers** · 06-04-2012, 04:16 PM

Bad posters shouldn't be relegated to a minor league type board, they should be forced to work with Lloyd McClendon.

**tigerbomb13** · 06-04-2012, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by FloridaTigers

Bad posters shouldn't be relegated to a minor league type board, they should be forced to work with Lloyd McClendon.

Or traded to the Yankees, where Kevin Long can teach them to post against lefties.

**John_Brian_K** · 06-04-2012, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by FloridaTigers

Bad posters shouldn't be relegated to a minor league type board, they should be forced to work with Lloyd McClendon.

Who determines the 'bad posters'?

**thefunk** · 06-04-2012, 04:39 PM

Once we sweep Cleveland everything will settle down a little bit.

**thefunk** · 06-04-2012, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by John_Brian_K

Who determines the 'bad posters'?

worried?

**tiger337** · 06-04-2012, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by John_Brian_K

Who determines the 'bad posters'?

Bert determines the bad posters. Then Biff kicks them out.

**MSUBrian11** · 06-04-2012, 05:03 PM

What's up with all the posters getting banned? There has got to be some sort of correlation between Tigers play on the field/ # of bannings

**Mr. Bigglesworth** · 06-04-2012, 05:17 PM

I personally think the sort of persistently negative posting that some do here is far more accepted on this site than it would be face to face. JMO.

**ScrubBeaterUpper** · 06-04-2012, 05:19 PM

Bring back Trok, bring back Sportz! And not that "Always throws heat" version of Sportz, but like, the real one that calls people stupid and can't spell to save his life.

But keep Cecil banned, he sucked.

**RedTeamGo!** · 06-04-2012, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Yoda

Maybe for you. The board was very good before the team ever became a contender. The Tigers became good and a bunch of football fans took over that thought they knew the answers to everything and that 3 losses means the season is over.

Saying that the quality of the posts should suck if the team sucks is a pretty crappy statement. You're simply giving yourself an excuse to suck.

+100

When the tigers stunk up the joiGnt this was seriously one of the best places to read about baseball in existence. Ever since the tigers made the playoffs it's been downhill. When they got prince this year it became way worse overnight. I still enjoy reading a lot of the posters but there's a lot of trolls.

**Mr. Bigglesworth** · 06-04-2012, 05:20 PM

I can absolutely, positively, 100% confirm that alwaysthrowheat is not Sportz.

I have met both.

**jaymo** · 06-04-2012, 05:23 PM

If anyone thinks you are secretly Sportz4Life or Cookies30 that is a warning sign that you may be a bad poster- for very different reasons, however.

**jaymo** · 06-04-2012, 05:25 PM

I think T'rok was Lee's secret rant account. He couldn't say those things from the more respected 337 account.

**Shelton** · 06-04-2012, 05:32 PM

I miss sportz these days.

**tiger337** · 06-04-2012, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Shelton

I miss sportz these days.

He posts frequently on twitter usually telling beat writers how wrong they are.

**Eric Cioe** · 06-04-2012, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Shelton

I miss sportz these days.

Me too. wheatthrower is a kindler, gentler version, but sometimes that doesn't work.

**sabretooth** · 06-04-2012, 06:19 PM

I'll come clean and admit that I'm really Ted Kaczynski.

When I need to post something intelligent or a really good textwall rant I use the name of one of my split personalities, Eric Cioe.

Come up and see all of us in Montana!

**Sports_Freak** · 06-04-2012, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Casimir

Closer to last place than first place as of June 4. This nearly 2 month streak of poor play has to end at some point, doesn't it?

No, actually it doesn't. We'll have half of the Toledo line-up going for a while. Until we get Fister, Jackson, Benoit and Dirks back. As well as Laird and Avila. Santos has been hard to watch, even with his game winning sac fly.

Injuries can sure derail a season. It's happened to many teams, many times. Most teams can't afford depth now and rely on their farm system to supply replacements. While Berry has done a good job, our 6th and 7th SP haven't. And yet our biggest problem, still, is 2nd base. Going on 3 years now.

As for being negative? I can see people being so disappointed they lash out. It's human instinct. But there are trolls who's only goal is to start flame wars. Just put them on ignore until they get banned.

Speaking of banned? What happened to Titus?

**IdahoBert** · 06-04-2012, 06:28 PM

Titus left of his own accord. He has not been banned.

**ScrubBeaterUpper** · 06-04-2012, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Shelton

I miss sportz these days.

We like Sportz and we don't care who knows:

**Dawgs** · 06-04-2012, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by IdahoBert

I am a bad man. Please don't put me in jail for that. Charles Liston helped. He deserves as much praise and blame as I do. Mostly praise.

That was some funny ****. (LOUD applause)

**Yoda** · 06-04-2012, 07:03 PM

Son of a ***** I just realized there's no game tonight... I was wondering where the lineups were! Damn being off Mondays.

**Dawgs** · 06-04-2012, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by sabretooth

Yoda got banned????

HAHAHA thanks!!! Between the comic and this post Ive laughed more in the last 5 minutes than I did all last week. No offense Master Yoda. ;)

**Dawgs** · 06-04-2012, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Yoda

Has nobody on the board noticed that Trok was also banned?

I did and it bummed me out. He was negative but knowledgable. Most of his arguments had a grain of truth. I thought he brought some balance. Not the game thread type post but the others. Game threads are by definition reactionary. I dont fault anyone for ragging these guys on the GDT.

**MSUBrian11** · 06-04-2012, 07:26 PM

does released mean perma-banned? He was one of my favorite posters, plus he had best avatar on this site.

**Shelton** · 06-04-2012, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by tiger337

He posts frequently on twitter usually telling beat writers how wrong they are.

Oh, indeed. I enjoy those missives. Wish he was back here to provide that insight.

**sabretooth** · 06-04-2012, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by MSUBrian11

does released mean perma-banned? He was one of my favorite posters, plus he had best avatar on this site.

Yeah, released is gone, permanently.

**Casimir** · 06-04-2012, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by Yoda

Son of a ***** I just realized there's no game tonight... I was wondering where the lineups were! Damn being off Mondays.

June 5, 2003 lineup:

Alex Sanchez, CF
Sir Gene Kingsale, LF
Craig Monroe, RF
Dmitri Young, 3B
Kevin Witt, 1B
Shane Halter, 2B
Matt Walbeck, C
Omar Infante, SS
Adam Bernero, SP

**PuNk42AE** · 06-04-2012, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Casimir

June 5, 2003 lineup:

Alex Sanchez, CF
Sir Gene Kingsale, LF
Craig Monroe, RF
Dmitri Young, 3B
Kevin Witt, 1B
Shane Halter, 2B
Matt Walbeck, C
Omar Infante, SS
Adam Bernero, SP

And people are complaining about what we're putting out there now :'P

**alwaysthrowheat** · 06-05-2012, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by ScrubBeaterUpper

Bring back Trok, bring back Sportz! And not that "Always throws heat" version of Sportz, but like, the real one that calls people stupid and can't spell to save his life.

But keep Cecil banned, he sucked.

This subject has been addressed plenty of times, but if you took the 5 seconds to click on my sig, you'd realize there's no possible way I'm sportz.

Originally Posted by Eric Cioe

Me too. wheatthrower is a kindler, gentler version, but sometimes that doesn't work.

I can be mean for you, Cioe.

**RJBBREZ** · 06-05-2012, 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by catswithbats

I think there are still some reasons to be optimistic.

I'd like to hear these reasons, because I am not seeing any. This weekend it was basically the Toledo Mud Hens playing. Very hard to watch or even be hopeful. But everyday part of me thinks it could be the game that turns the season around, just hasnt happened yet.

**catswithbats** · 06-05-2012, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by alwaysthrowheat

This subject has been addressed plenty of times, but if you took the 5 seconds to click on my sig, you'd realize there's no possible way I'm sportz.

I'm starting to wonder if people just like messing with you about that.

Originally Posted by RJBBREZ

I'd like to hear these reasons, because I am not seeing any. This weekend it was basically the Toledo Mud Hens playing. Very hard to watch or even be hopeful. But everyday part of me thinks it could be the game that turns the season around, just hasnt happened yet.

Well, Grey at Walkoff Woodward made some salient points here. (If you follow him on Twitter, you know he's not prone to bouts of optimism.)

As for me, I'm mostly optimistic because there are 100+ games left (yes, I'm one of those people). I also don't think the Tigers are as terrible as they seem right now. I do think they'll have to make some moves, such as getting rid of some of the dead weight (Like DFAing/releasing/etc. Delmon? Sending Boesch to the minors for a little bit? /shrug) and maybe making a trade or two to upgrade the pitching staff or the middle infield, but I truly think they're a better team than they've shown to this point.

I don't think the Tigers were as good as we wanted to believe when they signed Prince, either. I seem to recall someone on this board (I am possibly mistaken and it might have been a different board) said they should easily be a 108 win team; I didn't even think they were a 100+ win team. I thought somewhere between an 88-92 win team was realistic, and could easily take the division. I also thought Cleveland and Chicago would be improved; as of now, I'm not too sure about Cleveland, but Chicago seems to be doing well and getting contributions from unexpected sources, such as Adam Dunn, Alex Rios, and Jake Peavy, to name a few. Can the Sox keep it up? Will they fade? Maybe the luck will start turning in the Tigers' favor. Maybe not. Who knows?

Semi-relatedly, I really don't think they should have a fire sale and punt the rest of the season like I've seen suggested on Twitter. I saw someone the other day say the Tigers need to unload Prince on the Dodgers for whatever they can get, which didn't make much sense to me because I can't imagine they'd get close to equal value in return. I also saw someone suggest the Tigers should trade Cabrera too, to restock the minors. I think Verlander was the only one no one on Twitter suggested we trade.

Also, has anyone given a thought to signing Jeff Francis? He is apparently primed to opt out of his minor league deal with the Reds. Saw this suggested on Twitter and was not immediately repulsed by the prospect; he's also doing well in AAA for Cincinnati. Could send Crosby back to Toledo and insert Francis in the fifth spot in the rotation until Fister's ready to return.

Apologies.

/tl;dr

**RJBBREZ** · 06-05-2012, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by catswithbats

I don't think the Tigers were as good as we wanted to believe when they signed Prince, either. I seem to recall someone on this board (I am possibly mistaken and it might have been a different board) said they should easily be a 108 win team; I didn't even think they were a 100+ win team. I thought somewhere between an 88-92 win team was realistic, and could easily take the division

I agree with you here. People got real excited and probably unrealistic, which is adding to the depression around here. I think it is the way they are losing, not the losing, that is bothering me. They are failing in every aspect of the game. Can't throw strikes. Can't hit. Can't even lay down a sacrifice bunt when needed. Makes me wanna scream. That being said, hopefully this series sparks the team.