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  1. 9 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

    How do you know she relied on Rod Wood?

    The league referred them to Ernie Accorsi. It seems like he was the one who spoke to the family and set up the slate of candidates.

    In any event, the chief problem with the Quinn hire was not Quinn. It was that the family treated him like a "football guy" and let him fire the head coach and bring on his buddy in a sham interview process.

    As I said at the time, with Quinn a rookie GM whose only NFL experience was under Belichick, he should not have been allowed to bring in a rookie HC whose only NFL experience was also under Belichick. That was a decision on which the family should NOT have trusted the "football guy" because his decision was aligned with his own short-term interests (not to get in pissing contests with his HC), rather than with the long term interests of the franchise.

    Because Sheila herself said so.

    I'm aware that they asked the NFL to aid the search last time but maybe if they had more competent football people in place, they wouldn't have to rely on the NFL for help. The Lions aren't like most franchises, they've been so inept for so long under the same ownership so they need all the help they can get. Hire somebody or a team of people on a permanent basis who have extensive football knowledge to consult with Sheila on football decisions and go from there.


  2. 20 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

     

    Yeah, Rod Wood is not getting fired. He is there to manage the Ford family's interests in multiple businesses worth over $2 billion. 

    Also, Sheila is going to hire the GM. Just like every other principal owner of every other NFL franchise is the one who hires the GM for their team.

    I agree that they need someone on the executive team, on a par with Rod Wood, to help the family manage football operations. This would include overseeing this GM and HC search, and overseeing their work and evaluation on an ongoing basis. But to think that Sheila is not going to be wholly involved in the GM search, and give the final say on who gets hired, is pure fantasy.

    Sure, Sheila is going to make the hire but the decision maker is only as good as the ones consulting him/her, she's going to heavily lean on Wood to make the final decision. The U.S. President makes the final decision but he has many administrative members influencing that decision, he's only as good as those who surround him. I want a football guy being Sheila's consultant, not a guy who self admittedly called himself "Not a Football Guy". Essentially, she needs better people surrounding her.

    Anyway, I've gone around and around on this the last few days and it's exhausting haha. Lets just hope that Sheila and Rod make a better choice this time around.


  3. 17 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

    You're not getting it. Some non football guy to going to have to hire the football guy who will hire the GM just like Illitch hired Jimmy Devellano or Dave Dombrowski. Whether that is Sheila alone or Sheila and Rod, a non football guy is going to hire the football guy. I don't see a difference between Sheila hiring that guy or Sheila and Rod. Sheila left the door open to hiring a football president but again a non football person would be making that hire. 

    And you're not getting it.

    I want a football guy doing the GM search, not Sheila and Wood. It's as simple as that. Why are you not comprehending this? I want her to hire a Football President, not consult with "Rod" on pure football decisions. Let Wood focus on the business side and leave the football stuff for football people.


  4. 4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

    Rod Wood was not in charge of personnel decisions. Bob Quinn made the personnel decisions who was a football guy. 

    Of course the GM is going to be a football guy, they wouldn't hire a businessman to manage a football team. My point is about who is hiring the GM like the process we're seeing now. They asked the NFL for help last time and we saw how that worked.

    If they had a football guy to make decisions, they wouldn't have needed to ask the NFL for help in all likelihood.

    Anyway, my point is if they had a guy or gal with a football background as Team President, I'd feel better about the direction of the franchise.


  5. 10 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

    I don't think you need to be a football person to run a good team. Mike Illitch slung pizzas and played minor league baseball and he built the downtrodden Red Wings into a perennial contender and near dynasty. I'm not seeing the difference if Sheila or Sheila and Rod hire the person that will make on field decisions. A lot is luck. Tom Benson bought the Saints in 1985 and they were the joke of the league until over 20 years later when they happened into the combination of Drew Brees and Sean Payton. 

    And who do you think was in charge of all personnel decisions? Ken Holland who is a hockey guy.

    Some of it is luck sure but when you win one playoff game in 63 years despite having numerous high draft picks, two generational superstars and arguably a top 10 QB, you're doing something wrong. You can't just attribute 60+ years of incompetence to bad luck. There's one constant through most of that failure, The Fords. Maybe not a necessity but it would certainly help if they surrounded themselves with football people.


  6. 8 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

    Martha reached out the NFL. Martha made the decision alone to fire Mayhew and Lewand. She needed someone to run the business and hired Rod Wood who has been close to the Ford family. Every team has someone like Rod Wood. 

    Let's say they fire Rod Wood. Who is hiring the new Football President? It's someone with no football experience. Also, Sheila didn't rule out hiring a President of Football Operations. At some point, a non football person is hiring a person to make on field related decisions. 

    There seems to be a disconnect here. I'm talking about who is in charge of hiring the GM and you keep asking who is in charge of hiring a football president.

    I know who hired Wood, I'm talking about who will be involved in the process of hiring a new GM. Even if you're right and Wood has absolutely no input in the GM search (even though Sheila said otherwise) then are you confident in Sheila herself acting alone in this process? Someone with limited football knowledge. She needs to surround herself with football people, Wood is not that.

    I'd be more comfortable if the President of Football Operations actually had... football knowledge. If Shiela is indeed looking to hire a President of Football Operations who has a football background then good, let's get this started.


  7. 3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

    Martha with input from Ernie Accorsi. 

    Who do you think would be in charge of hiring the new President of Football Operations who would then in turn hire the new GM?

    So you think Martha and Martha alone was the only one to recommend that Accorsi help with the search? Come on, don't be naive. So you think Sheila is going to act alone with no input from Wood? Again, Sheila herself said that Wood will be involved with the search. What are we arguing here? Sheila and Wood are the main decision makers in the GM hiring process.


  8. 2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

    I believe Quinn was in charge of player and coaching decisions and Wood was in charge of things like keeping the Thanksgiving Day game in Detroit and lobbying the NFL for some home games to finish the season. 

    Who do you think was in the decision making process to hire Quinn if not the President of Football Operations? I'm not talking about GM duties, I'm talking about who is in charge of hiring the GM.


  9. 4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

    Rod Wood isn't overseeing football operations. He's running the business side. Every team has someone like Rod Wood. I think too much is made about Rod Wood's role. 

    Sheila herself said that he'll be involved in the GM search. Who do you think is involved in the decision making process if not the President of "Football" and Business Operations? Sheila on her own? Wood is a big part of the decision making process. Why do you think he was doing a duo press conference with Sheila after the firing of two football people?


  10. 7 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

    What owners are football people? People who own billion dollar football teams are business people.

    Every team has a Rod Wood. The Lions are a billion dollar business. Not everybody in the business is going to be a football person and someone has to run the business. 

    Yes, owners are business people but football owners tend to have some ability to surround themselves with football people and the Fords have always surrounded themselves with the wrong people. How else do you explain 6 decades of futility?

    Keeping Rod Wood as President, who admitted himself that he has limited football knowledge, after he oversaw arguably the worst regime in Lions history is another example of the Fords not understanding what needs to be done to get this franchise pointed in the right direction. Maybe they'll fluke into the right hiring for the first time since the '50s but, on the surface, it's not a good look to keep this guy in charge and shouldn't fill any of us with confidence that the right hires will be made.


  11. The Fords are not football people, that's a big part of the reason why they've failed for decades. They don't surround themselves with football either with Wood being the most recent example and then subsequently hire the wrong people time and time again.

    It's also **** luck too. It's beyond comprehension that the Lions couldn't even fluke into more than one playoff win in 63 years. You can have bad owners and fluke into a good season or three throughout your history. The consistency of failure is remarkable, possibly the most remarkable run in sports history.


  12. 21 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

    If you build around Stafford, you have that core to insert the next flavor of the month QB. I also wouldn't say it is as dire as you are making it seem at least on the offensive side of the ball. They still have Golladay and Hockenson and Swift and some solid if unspectacular OL like Decker and Ragnow. The cupboard isn't bare there. The defense after Okudah doesn't have much upside. The thought of drafting the 3rd or 4th best QB in this draft doesn't excite me. I thought we were never going to have another Tua available and yet here we are. 

    It's not bare on the offensive side but they have a defense that is miles away from even being average and a new regime that's going to take a while to eradicate the massive stink of the previous regime. Not to mention that there are so many bad contracts clogging up cap space for the next few years, no receivers signed beyond this season and not a ton of draft capital. Quinn really left a plate of **** for the next regime.

    There are some nice pieces on offense (if Golladay is kept) but this thing is being built from the ground up and Stafford at 33 with two years left on his deal doesn't really fit their timeline. They haven't won with a prime Stafford in over a decade and had a few teams that were light years better than the one they'll be fielding next season with a Stafford that might start declining. What are they holding on to with Stafford the next few years? What happens if he walks in 2 years and they have no young QB to build around?

    I'm not saying they need to throw the young QB into the fire right away but if there's a QB they really believe can be good (Wilson, Lance, whoever), they'd be dumb to not at least heavily consider it. BTW, Watson, Jackson and Mahomes (who was considered a reach at the time) were all taken  behind where the Lions will likely be drafting so there's been plenty of 3rd or 4th best QBs that have succeeded in recent years. Herbert as well btw who looks like a keeper, 3rd QB taken.


  13. 27 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

    This reminds me of Washington. They moved on from Kirk Cousins and drafted Haskins who is a complete bust. Meanwhile, you put Cousins on a team with a defense and a run game and he ends up winning a playoff game when everyone complained he couldn't. Putting a new QB into a dysfunctional team with no defense or run game isn't going to change the outcome. 

    The situations aren't remotely similar. Cousins was able to succeed because he was surrounded by a great supporting cast, top running back, lots of good receivers and excellent defense.

    The Lions simply don't have the supporting cast to succeed with Stafford anytime in the near future, the Lions are a long LONG way away from building the type of team around Stafford that Cousins had. He's turning 33 next year (with a lot of mileage on his body) has two years left on his contract and a new regime is about to take over. What's the point of building around Stafford now? I'm not saying they have to trade Stafford this offseason but drafting a QB in this draft should be high on the priority list.


  14. 15 minutes ago, Buddha said:

    i think cephus isnt long for this league.  he's very slow and cant catch.  maybe he gets better at catching next year?  if not, he's probably gone.  the lions roster is so thin at receiver that he's surely on the roster next year no matter what.

    jefferson was a first round pick.

    Yes Jefferson was a taken in  the 1st but he was the 5th? receiver taken, so many receivers taken last year that I forgot he was taken that high. Point still stands though. Claypool was like the 10th receiver taken and we see where he is now.


  15. 31 minutes ago, Buddha said:

    i regard wr as a premium position in today's nfl.  And the lions have nothing on the roster next year at receiver except cephus and he doesnt appear to be any good.

    i havent done my research (ha!) on the draft yet but if there is a julio jones type receiver out there, that would be worth a top 5 pick.

    as cruzer always like to say, the lions are SLOW.  we need speed, baby!  

    I think they'll franchise Golladay at the very least. It should be fairly easy to sign a #2 WR to replace Jones. As we've seen over the years, the Lions have had little issue stocking up on receivers most of which were free agent signings or later round picks, Calvin notwithstanding. I think Cephus could be good, he's done a decent job at getting open in his limited reps but seems to have a bit of a case of the butter fingers unfortunately. 

    If there was an elite level prospect like Jones available, I'd consider it depending on where the Lions wind up drafting but I'd prioritize other positions over receiver. They desperately need to beef up the Front 7 and QB needs to be a strong consideration even if they keep Stafford for another year. I'd prefer to target receiver in one of the other rounds, lots of good receivers are usually available outside of the 1st (Metcalf and Jefferson are two recent examples, there's many more).


  16. 5 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

    Who says they'll be drafting in the top ten? They would be the ninth pick now, but it's not out of the question they'll be bypassed by one or more of Atlanta, Miami, Denver, Chicago, or Minnesota.

    I have a feeling everybody will be better without Patricia. Especially the offense, with Bevell seeing the next five weeks as an audition for the role of head coach (even if he has no legitimate chance).

    I also suspect Undlin will dramatically simplify things on defense. They will still be bad, but they will not look as generally clueless as they have so far.

    That's one way of looking at it. They're also one game out of 4th so there's very little separating 4-16 remarkably.

    I just don't think they will magically start winning games regularly with Patricia gone. I'm just hoping for them to at least show a pulse, I don't expect them to win more than 1 or 2 games the rest of the season. 5-11 or 6-10 should put them in that 8-12 range. Even with an improved team, they still play the likes of Tampa, Tennessee and Green Bay. They never beat Minnesota either.


  17. 4 hours ago, Buddha said:

    given their roster needs, i'd rather see them take a wr or a lb if parsons is there this year.

    but i could be talked into a qb if they're drafting in the top 5.

     

    I'd lose it a little bit if they took a WR in the top 10, a 3rd straight year of drafting a non-premium position in the top 10. Depending on BPA of course, I'm taking either a QB or the top Front 7 player left on the board.

    Parsons is my favorite player in the draft outside of Lawrence so I'm taking him without hesitation if he's there (I doubt he drops out of the top 5). If not, I'd address that D-Line or take one of Wilson, Lance or Trask/Jones. 

    I'm really interested to see how the defense does now that Patricia is gone. I'm curious to see if it really was a complete lack of talent or if it was at least somewhat due to schematic issues. Guys like Okudah, AO, Walker and Harris have some talent, add in Hand if he ever remains healthy and I wonder if these guys will improve in a different scheme, Davis too. Guys like Tavai are hopeless, a worthless pick.


  18. 2 minutes ago, Buddha said:

    maybe he was a lions fan growing up?  you would think anyone with any knowledge of this organization would run for the hills!

    i have a feeling he will have his choice of places to go.

    Yeah, it's probably wishful thinking on my part. I was just hoping that perhaps the hometown factor might lure him in. Better choice than the other "Michigan Man", speak about a guy who has a rigid system.


  19. 2 hours ago, Hongbit said:

    Am I wrong to question how effective Bieniemy would be without Mahomes, Kelce, and Hill?   I would probably look impressive creating a system and calling plays for these guys.   

    Not wrong at all. He's essentially the offensive coordinator version of Patricia in the sense that he's in a perfect situation to succeed with an elite offensive mind in Reid and the best arsenal of offensive weapons in the league. Is he a product of the KC system or is he good on his own? No idea, seems risky.

    Saleh seems like a strong candidate. That 49er defense has been decimated by injuries yet they keep on ticking. Apparently he's a Michigan guy too so I'd imagine that he's high on the Lions wish list.

    I don't know who the best candidate would be, all these guys have question marks. I just want a coach who doesn't have a very rigid system, can make adjustments in game and whose players will play hard for him. Who that is? I have no idea. 

     


  20. 28 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

    Joe Douglas is in his first year as Jets GM, I doubt he gets canned.

    I misunderstood and was thinking new coach. Regardless, the Jets should be high on the list for a new coach because of Lawrence.

    The Lions are kind of in no mans' land. Not much of a talent base to work from, not bad enough to get one of the elite QBs in the draft, a good but aging QB with 2 years left on his deal, hamstrung by a lot of awful contracts. An awful situation for a new GM and coach to walk into, arguably the least attractive job in the league.


  21. 18 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

    I think the Washington job is worse. Daniel Snyder is an erratic owner who likes to meddle. You also have a veteran coach already in place who will probably want say in personnel decisions. Atlanta and Detroit are the same. At least with either you don't need to find a QB right away. You can still wait another year. 

    Don't the Jets have a young franchise QB? I don't think having a high draft pick automatically means a young franchise QB. 

    Good point about Snyder. That does knock Washington down a couple of notches.

    The Jets are drafting Lawrence, obviously. He alone will make them an attractive destination.


  22. 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

    There is going to be competition.

     

    And add the Jets to that. 

    The Lions are going to be very low on that list as an attraction. The Jets and Jaguars are going to get young franchise QBs to build around, the Redskins are building an elite level defense and the Texans have Watson. Atlanta (Detroit South) and Detroit are in tough against those other teams, not much of a foundation to build on and old QBs who are in limbo.


  23. 3 hours ago, ROMAD1 said:

    I kinda had to think about that one.  Toronto Maple Leafs?

    Not even close, the Leafs have had some contending teams in the last 60+ years, made several conference finals in the last 30 years.

    The one franchise, that has been around almost as long as the Lions, that comes close to their level of futility is the Browns and even they've won 6 more playoff games than the Lions in the last 60+ years. The Cubs perhaps before they won a World Series. That's about it, nobody comes close to matching one playoff win in 63 years. It's one of the most remarkable stats in sports history, unbelievable inepitutedle consistency.

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