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  1. 15 hours ago, Deleterious said:

    I conceded they are both tall and skinny so the physical comps don't mean much to me.  I care about a guys game and what he does on the court.  The only link you posted that even comes close to addressing that is the first one.

    He doesn't tell us why.  You don't tell us why.  I gave like 5 reasons why the Bosh comp is bad.  Why can't anyone give reasons why it is good?

    And BTW, your pro scouts.  NBA Draft Room?  He also comps Mobley to LMA, which makes me shake my head more than the Bosh comp.  

    The way he glides offensively, smooth stroke. I see some similarities in how they play at the offensive end. Mobley is far more versatile defensively than Bosh was and handles the ball more.

    Again, and I said it multiple times, Bosh isn't a perfect comparables but I do see SOME similarities in their game. It's hard to find a comparable for Mobley because he's unique. Different type of player but kind of like Chet Holmgren who also does things that a player his size shouldn't be able to do.


  2. 19 hours ago, Deleterious said:

    Would love for ya to post some links with those comps.  I really want to read why they feel that way.

    In addition to the one Buddha posted, there's this one...

    https://nbadraftroom.com/p/evan-mobley/

    And this one...

    https://projectspurs.com/2021/01/05/san-antonio-spurs-prospect-watch-evan-mobley/

    This one, although it was more of a physical comp which is partially why I made the comp... (Edit: Sorry, this was the one that Buddha posted)

    https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30495016/scouting-2021-nba-draft-lottery-prospects-strengths-comps-intel

    I've seen a few others as well that made the Bosh comparison because of the offensive skillset and physical makeup. You were mocking me as if it's such a crazy comparison. Others see it as well. Again, not a perfect comparison but there are similarities especially offensively.

     

     


  3. 40 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

    Actually, KG want aggressive at all. The running joke about him for years was watch him pad up shots so his teammates can take them.

    Bosh is a horrible comparison. Mobley is a defensive anchor, a shot blocker, switchable down to a 3 and possibly bigger slower 2's. Bosh was none of that.

    Mobley has the handle of a guard, Bosh didn't. Bosh wasn't slow by any means but Mobley is much faster, more explosive first step. Mobley passes like Jokic, Bosh didn't. 

    Both are tall black guys though.

    I'm not the only one, including scouts who watch these players for a living, to make the Bosh comparison so....

    It's not a perfect comparison but I see similar elements in their offensive game and their build. Mobley is a hybrid so it's really difficult to make a perfect comparison, he has an assortment of skills and is sort of unique.

    My worry with him is that he's  pretty soft and tends to differ to others a lot but that could change as he gains more experience and realizes that he can be the best player on the floor if he really wants to. He's still in that "timid" stage of his development which shows how good he can be if he figures it all out because he's pretty good already as is.


  4. 14 hours ago, Deleterious said:

    Definitely some KG in him.  Mobley has a better handle and passing though.  

    KG is far more aggressive than Mobley. Mobley is much more cerebral, he doesn't have that take over "I want to destroy you" mentality that Garnett had. I suppose Bosh would be a better comparison.


  5. 7 minutes ago, Betrayer said:

    What a game from Grant.  That was fun to watch, other than the 3rd quarter.  Sad that Grant's effort went to a Loss, but it helps the lottery balls.

    Also, I love Jackson's fire.  He can get careless with the ball, but I like his aggressiveness and attitude off the bench.

    Yeah, big fan of Jackson's attitude. He's relentless and doesn't back down from anybody.

    Weaver got a lot of criticism for his free agent signings and trades (I was one of them) but the Grant, Jackson and Wright acquisitions have been solid. Even Plumlee, despite what Del says, has made some positive contributions. At the very least, they're building a culture of a hard working team that will compete every game. 

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  6. 15 hours ago, Deleterious said:

    I can't believe some of the comments I'm seeing about this buyout.

    A small amount of people actually think Blake will decline his option next year to go play for a ring.  Quite a few more feel we will get a 50% discount.

    The Pistons have no incentive to buy him out if he doesn't make any salary concessions so it's up to him to give up some of next years' salary if he really wants out. Otherwise, the Pistons can just sit him until they find a trade partner either this year or next and deal him as an expiring by next years' deadline or let the contract simply expire.


  7. 18 hours ago, Sydney_Fife said:

    The trade deadline is March 25, but I think we will see some activity on this pretty soon. I think a trade is pretty unlikely, so I think this probably ends in a buyout agreement. Getting that cap number down from 39 million to a lower number for 2021/2022 should be the Pistons' top priority. 

    Blake is going to have to forfeit a good chunk of that 39 million if he really wants to play elsewhere otherwise they're stuck with each other through next season so ultimately this comes down to how badly he wants to move on. He's going to have to sacrifice a lot of money to do so.

    Also, why are you guys even discussing trade? No chance, not even Weaver is dumb enough to attach a valuable asset just to make Griffin happy. It'll be buy out or he's stuck here if he doesn't want to give back much salary.


  8. 6 hours ago, Casimir said:

    What a terrible victory.

    Disagree. If they win a few led by the young guys then it's fine, a terrible victory is the ones led by the vets. As long as the young guys are developing properly, I don't mind a few wins.

    In any event, they aren't finishing bottom 5. Their first half schedule had to be the toughest in the league so I'd imagine that the second half will be one of the easiest in the league so their second half record will almost certainly be better. Teams like the Wolves and Wizards are clearly worse, the Magic, Bulls, Cavs and Thunder are likely to push really hard for worst record so the Pistons will likely be in familiar territory in that 7-10 pick range.


  9. 11 hours ago, kgeorge78 said:

    goffs best is as good as wentz best??

    He makes good decisions? 

    You said he has no arm strength, that's far from the truth, and I'm not even a big Goff fan. You were right that Wentz was better at his peak and Goff is a not a good decision maker but wrong that he has no arm strength.


  10. 22 hours ago, Buddha said:

    we'll never know.

    Actually the insiders, including Schefter who is reliable, were saying that there was a market for Goff. I find that hard to believe considering how poor he's been the last few seasons and that contract but in a QB market with high demand and short supply, it's possible.


  11. 2 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

    Why does everyone seem to think Jared Goff is terrible?      He's not.   He had a bad year with the Rams.    Stafford had a couple of those with the Lions.     From what I have read Goff constantly had McVeigh over his shoulder,  maybe that gets old.    If he's bad he helps the Lions get a better draft pick, but 33 year old often-injured Stafford vs. 26 year old Jared Goff with something to prove - is that really a major drop off?  

    Goff isn't terrible but he needs a very strong supporting cast to succeed. That right there is the big difference between him and Stafford. Stafford can succeed in just about any offense because he has a world class arm and enough mobility to navigate the pocket.

    With Goff, you need to build an offense with a strong running game and offensive line so he can thrive in playaction. I can't see him succeeding in an offense where he's the focal point. I think this is why they brought Anthony Lynn in, to emphasize the running game and cater to the strengths of Goff. He can be really good if placed in the right situation.


  12. 13 hours ago, Casimir said:

    Griffin ain’t opting out. $40M.  Ain’t happening.

    Could he be bought out?  How does that affect the salary cap?

    Don't you take my hope away from me.

    Of course it's highly unlikely but I will hold on to that slight glimmer of hope that he values happiness over money and leaves the money on the table, since he already has an absurd amount of money, to get out of here asap until that hope fades completely. 


  13. 15 hours ago, 84 Lives!!! said:

    I think Goff's best is better then Wentz's best. That's why I call him slightly better.

    Wentz has some better mobility, but less arm; add in the injuries as you've noted, and two less prime years... 

    If I had a choice, I choose Goff over Wentz 9 times out of 10.

    But the REAL key won't really have anything to do with one, or the other... It will be the ability to put a high level team around either of these QB's. Both need a strong supporting cast; both are NOT carry-the-team type of QB's... So this will end up being the determining factor for whether Goff is a success with the Lions, and/or if Wentz is a success with the Bears.

    Disagree. Wentz was arguably the MVP of the league when he got injured in 2017, his very short peak was better than Goff's peak even though Goff's team went farther in the playoffs with him. I'd say that Goff is slightly better than him today but Wentz at peak form was better.

     That's probably why Wentz has a market, because teams see his high end potential. Personally, I think the injuries robbed him of what he once was but I guess it's worth a shot for a team like the Bears that haven't had a good QB since before the Superbowl era and no, McMahon wasn't good.

    Also, the Lions aren't trading Goff. I truly believe that Holmes sees him as the franchise QB going forward. He'll have two years to prove that he is (he likely won't).


  14. 1 hour ago, Buddha said:

    I can't believe there were people who thought the Pistons could get a first round pick for Rose.

    Rose is exactly what he is: a guy who can get to the rim but can't shoot.  That's got some value in the League, but not a ton of value.

    I thought before the season that he could possibly return a 1st round pick from a championship contender (not a team like the Knicks) but he was awful this season so that became a pipedream. 

    Kind of like Drummond, it's a positive just to get him off the roster. Hopefully Griffin opts out after the season and the last remnants of the SVG/Stefanski era will be gone for good then the real rebuild can begin.


  15. 2 hours ago, Casimir said:

    If I remember it right, popular opinion was Haliburton had the higher floor whilst Hayes had the higher ceiling?  Still frustrating to see easy results.  Of the 53 2020 draftees that have gotten run, Hayes is 51st on the win shares per 48 metric.  Not the end all be all, but not what you want to see out of your 7th overall pick.

    It's a 7 game sample size. Yeah, I think it's safe to say that it's not the end all be all. It was a poor start to his career but I'm not concerned at all about it yet.

    Hailburton was always projected to have an NBA impact sooner. Granted, I don't think people expect him to be this good this soon but point being, it's way WAY too early to make any real judgments about these players yet. 


  16. 14 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

    Don't know how reliable this guy is, but if the Eagles pull this off I'll need to re-evaluate Holmes. 

     

    Wentz has value. He was an MVP candidate 3 years ago (teams see the upside in that), he's still fairly young and there are still a lot of QB needy teams with not many QB options available, even moreso with Stafford off the market (the demand greatly outweighs the supply), so somebody will overpay for Wentz hoping that he rediscovers that form he had when he first came into the league. 

    Honestly, I would laugh at the Bears as opposed to being upset at Holmes if they give up two 1sts for Wentz. That would be such a "Bears" move. I doubt the Eagles get that kind of haul but it would be hilarious if the Bears do it.


  17. 1 hour ago, Buddha said:

    i would only want that pick over two firsts and a third if the lions felt they needed a qb this year and had to get into the top 3 to get him.  then package 7 and 9 to move up.

    and drew locke is terrible.

    Moving up using two top 10 picks would have been a terrible move unless it was to target Lawrence. Then again, the Chiefs and Bills did ok with their trade ups so who knows.

    In any event, I'd take the two 1sts (which might not necessarily be low 1sts), a 3rd and Goff over 9th overall and Lock. I'm not even a Goff fan but even I can see that Goff is probably Lock's high end upside and those low 1sts aren't guaranteed to be low 1sts. The Rams could end up with a 10-7 record and miss the playoffs then one of those 1sts would be in the mid teens with another 1st still to come. Assuming they are low 1sts is worst case scenario and it's not like Stafford is an elite QB that guarantees playoff success for the Rams.

    If Stafford or Donald gets injured, the pick could be even higher like what happened with the Dolphins pick this season. Nothing is guaranteed in the NFL outside of Brady making Super Bowl runs annually until he's 60.


  18. 47 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

    5 might hurt but I could live with top 4. That ensures they get Cunningham, Mobley, Green, or Kuminga.

    You're sleeping on Suggs IMO. What don't you like about his game? The shot needs a bit of work but his form is pretty good. There's a lot to like about the rest of his game. He has that "It" factor.

    I don't know about Mobley. He's really skilled but he's soft as baby **** and needs to put weight on that frame or he'll be pushed around easily at the NBA level. He'd be #5 on my list.

    The Pistons need a lead guy, a player who is the go to guy on offense and wants to take the big shot. I don't see Mobley as that guy, he has a timid mentality from what I've seen of him.

     

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