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  1. Wow... you came back just to post this, blue? Okay. I'll address this but then I'm going to bed and won't be able to reply again until late tomorrow (around this time, prob after downtime) so don't think I'm hitting-and-running here. Though to be honest I feel I have made my position on this matter pretty clear and I'm not sure your posting is worth the effort of reply.

    That's an interesting way to start a persuasive argument. Not very effective, however. I wonder if Buddha, Shabba, Mark, or any of the other attorneys who happen to post here have ever tried this as an opening statement during court proceedings. They haven't. The point is that it doesn't go over well there and it also doesn't go over well here where everyone reading your post are all at least reasonably educated, at least reasonably intelligent, and 100% fully awake.

    Illegal... why? Because it makes you uncomfortable when a stranger asks for charity? Pan-handling IS illegal in lot of the parts of the country. People in these areas still panhandle - I wonder why? I'm going to go with "this is the best option available to those who do it to make a living." Do we need more laws restricting the activities of the downtrodden? Why don't we just legislate against it and then use city resources to jack-boot them off the streets around Comerica. Oh wait that's right -- Detroit doesn't really have the manpower or resources to do that, and moreso if made illegal they'd have to arrest and incarcerate for it and -- you guessed it -- there's no room in the jails in Detroit for something like that.

    Wrong. The programs are stretched pretty thin actually and finding enough help to matter for a person who has no home or means of income is very difficult for some and impossible for others. Go to the soup kitchen, you say? Okay - how do they get there when they "live" a good distance away? Do they go to DHS to try to get assistance - a bus pass or something? Okay - how do they get there? How do they call DHS to set up an appointment? Communications and transportation is a barrier to getting proper care, and even if those burdens did not exist there STILL wouldn't be enough funds to go around.

    I have no experience with the homeless in Kalamazoo. I do, however, have experience with the homeless in the towns of Ann Arbor and San Francisco as I was actually a homeless person at points during my colorful youth in those cities. To make it even worse I was just a kid - a kid with nowhere to go. I panhandled for 8-12 hours a day. Sure, I used some of the money to buy cigarettes (a comfort I allowed myself) but I spent the rest of what I made on food and saving up for a bus ticket to get the hell out of there. I never bought drugs with the money. I never bought alcohol with it. It wasn't just me who lived like that either - there were a lot of people who panhandled the same ares that I did who also saved their money. Especially in San Francisco on the Haight and in the GGP where there are so many homeless children.

    So - you're professing to be an expert on the macro-sociological behaviors of a subset of people you don't interact with directly just because you live in a town where this subset is and see a group of them performing certain routine activities? How much case study have you done with these people in Kalamazoo? Oh that's right none - this is all based on your limited empirical experiences with them outside of a few local business and the public library. Got it. If I'm wrong and you're some sort of sociology whiz who's put the hundreds of hours into studying the homeless population of that region, then I apologize. I also, however, ask that you properly cite your documented research so that I may also be able to examine your scientific findings. Oh right - I forgot - you pulled all that out of your crapper using broad strokes and callous generalizations. I'm not sure if that qualifies you as a bigot (though it's debatable) but I do think it qualifies you as someone who doesn't spend a lot of time thinking beyond the surface of your own (misguided) opinions.

    So even though I spoke above about my own experiences as a homeless person and tried to illustrate that not everyone who panhandles uses the funds for cigarettes and alcohol (legal items by the way) or drugs, I'm going to step away from that here and go back to my earlier assertion a few posts up that panhandling should be looked at as an occupation and panhandlers should be entitled to spend the consideration from their chosen profession in any way they see fit. It's pretty draconian to suggest otherwise, actually. Let's consider Dictionary.com's definition of the word "occupation" for a second:

    So what you're saying is not only should a person's ability to earn a living be outlawed (in places it isn't already) but the people who have that occupation should only use the money for certain things. I will defer to my earlier point where I asked if you would like it if your employer (if you have one, which I somehow doubt as I think you're just a kid) told you that you could not use your paycheck for Internet access because you act like a clueless d-bag on message boards. As I asserted before, I don't think you'd be too pleased with that.

    I addressed this already with my assertion that there is not enough to go around in terms of social programs for the homeless (especially in Detroit!) I will however neither agree or disagree with this and just ask once again to see your published research paper or case studies to back up what you're claiming here. I will note, however, at your use of the phrase "use the public libraries" when before in your EXACT SAME post you said that the homeless (and I quote) "head over to the really, really nice public library. goof around on the internet, read magazines or whatever for 6 or so hours." So... it's okay for SOME homeless people to use the library but not others? I thought the "typical" homeless person in Kalamazoo just goofed off there? You can't have it both ways. How do we differentiate between a "good" homeless person and a "bad" one? Should we maybe give them different colored shirts? Something tells me the color is already a factor for you anyway. I know - let's give them all drug tests and breathalizer tests every day! Surely there's money for that too, right? Morality be damned - let's just drug test them all and have a government employee decide who is and who is not worthy to go to the library. Jerk.

    There as a final paragraph where you called the homeless who weren't mentally ill "scum bags" and said again that panhandling should be illegal. More stupidity, and really I've already addressed it and need to go to bed. I would like to close my statement by saying this though -- never before has a poster made assertions on this board that have incensed me as much as your posts in this thread. Not even that one time 5 years ago that shabba called my kids white trash. You talk as if these people are subhuman. That lack of compassion for other human beings makes you, in my mind, subhuman. The idiotic lineup threads were dumb enough, but here you've really outed yourself as a first class idiot and d-bag supreme. I'm sure MWG or Obs or someone is going to PM me a fingerwag for this last part but it's worth it -- you have a lot of growing up to do, and you really really really really should consider where you're posting and the userbase of this message board. It's a good board because it's a higher level of discourse. Even the left vs. right stuff here is (usually) civil and intelligent. Your assertions in your post, however, are all horribly wrong. I wish you would have gotten banned for good. No one likes you and you KNOW it. That should tell you all you need to know right there, buddy. In short - Lurk more, post less. You'll do well here, or at least you'll do better than you have thus far.

    bum.


  2. Blue – you have a tremendous opportunity here. Instead of being the horse’s butt everyone here thinks you are, what kind of a worldwide hero could you become if you solved homelessness? Everyone would read about you in future history books. Freaking huge task – beyond enormous. Impossible – no. Am I serious – absolutely. This would have to be a lifetime pursuit though, your legacy.

    How to begin? No clue but if you put your efforts into that as much as you have in this thread, I bet you could get a decent running start. Maybe start a not-for-profit commission or task force. Start small in your own community. In the immortal words of Dr. Leo Marvin – “Baby steps”. Gain small successes. What type of efforts have all ready been tried. Find out what works and what does not. Then expand into neighboring cities.

    Maybe this is your calling?? Your purpose in life. What kind of a man do you want to be? Pray about it. You have my support. I bet most of the Motownsports family would be of assistance also.

    not likely.

    there is no solution to homelessness. no matter how prosperous the world as a whole becomes, there will always be individuals who chose not to work, to contribute to society. but, the way things are going, they'll eventually be pan-handling in tax-payer polo's.


  3. a lot of you people need to WAKE THE **** UP!!!

    #1) Pan-handling should be ILLEGAL. Begging for money should be ILLEGAL. If you are truly in need of food, clothing, shelter, etc...there are more than enough government facilities around that will provide you with all the basic necessities. It's pretty clear to me that MOST of you talking crap to me about not being more understanding of the homeless haven't spent much time around them, if any. Like the poster who worked with the homeless in Kalamazoo, I too have spent a lot of time in that city.

    Here is how the typical day of a homeless person in Kalamazoo goes:

    about 1 or 2 pm, wake up at one of the downtown homeless shelters, the most popular is actually a pretty nice converted old hotel. eat first meal of the day there. head over to the really, really nice public library. goof around on the internet, read magazines or whatever for 6 or so hours. then its off to wherever their 'spot' is, usually outside of a liquor store, gas station, mcdonalds, whatever. for the next few hours they try and trick rich college kids into giving them money until the spot closes, or they get enough change to buy a pint, a rock, cigarettes, whatever the shelters won't give them. then, if lucky, they go get ****ed up and hangout at the downtown mcdonalds, which seems to be the most popular homeless hangout, right across the street from the shelter.

    #2) Look, a lot homeless guys are mentally ill. That's sad. But me, or you, giving them money for cigarettes, drugs, alcohol isn't going to help them get back on their feet. It's only going to bury them down further. The shelters give them everything they really NEED. If you really care about the homeless, STOP giving them change. You're nothing but an enabler, all you're really doing is making their lives worse...but...at least you get to feel charitable, right?

    #3) Transitional homeless guys, down on their luck for whatever reason, don't usually beg. They live at the shelters. Use the job service programs. Use the public libraries. Look for work there. Eat the free meals. Use the showers. Sleep in the free beds. And then they get back out there with the rest of us. These guys are on and off the streets. The services are there for people who really want to not be homeless.

    #4) The rest of the guys are absolute SCUM BAGS. And it's everyone you run into at CoPa (with the exceptions of the mentally ill guys). They have everything they need at the shelters. They could turn their lives around if they wanted to. BUT THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO WORK 40 HRS A WEEK FOR MINUMUM WAGE. They'd rather be homeless. Make about the same on assistance and not work at all. Trick you into forking over your hard earned money. And spend it getting ****ed up. It should be illegal for these guys to stand around public places and harrass tourists. It makes the city look like ****. I don't care if it's the same in every city. It shouldn't be. It should be illegal.

    p.s. - i got banned for calling detroit what i did, and what i still think it is.


  4. WOW

    three pages of responses and still, no one is acknowledging the point of this thread.

    ...you're all calling me insensitive, soft, calling my sisters soft, telling them to toughen up, telling them to get used to it, etc.

    stupid.

    the fact is that copa is not a family atmosphere. nothing in shitroit is. places like auburn hills and pontiac are.

    so why in the hell would some rich owner build a stadium for a team in detroit instead of in oakland county or something?

    all you fools that love detroit so much, you're lucky to have had illitch. problem is, he's old, and he'll be the last successful person ever to come from the inner city of shitroit. no future owner is going to give a **** about the city's faded history. all it is now is garbage. big flint.


  5. i'm making some really simple points here...and no one seems to be getting it...

    #1) the bums don't bother me personally, i'm talking about the females in my life, so let's skip out the 'questioning of MY manhood jokes.

    #2) my little sisters love watching baseball. but they hate going to games, especially night games, because the atmosphere around the outskirts of the park is so frightening to them (ages 8 and 10). the cedar point comparision was retarded. they love 'roller coasters.' there are just scary bums hanging out around all the rides so they don't want to go.

    #3) i dont care about how much you love the city, the simple fact is...its not a family atmosphere. the bums surrounding the stadium are bad for business. the stadium even being in that horrid city is bad for business. palace of auburn hills, pontiac silverdome, etc. - family atmospheres. tiger stadium, ford field - not family atmospheres.

    #4) if the driving distance was the same, why in the he!! would you rather go to downtown shitroit for a sporting event as opposed to a nice suburb like royal oak?? a place where you can take your entire family...as opposed to only the older males. what is there to do that's so great before/after a ball game in detroit that there isn't to do in a place like royal oak? its not like the bars or restauraunts there are better than the ones in the suburbs these days. i mean...i guess you could...go to the crappy art museum, or some gang-filled night club in detroit and not royal oak?

    maybe you guys just don't like spending time with women so its not that big of a deal?? idk. no one seems to be getting what i'm saying here.


  6. i mean, really, whether you want to face it or not...all you detroit city lovers...the question is eventually going to be:

    why in the he!! should we build a stadium in that sess pool? its not a family atmosphere. its disgusting. attendance will be higher if we build in...idk...auburn hills...royal oak...etc.

    i'm not really a huge huge basketball fan, but it sure is a lot nicer going to games in auburn hills than it is in detroit. and it used to be great going to games in pontiac.


  7. Well, then I guess those poor, scared little girls will just have to stay home, won't they?

    I've been to dozens upon dozens of games through the years, and very few of these "creeps" are over the top when asking for handouts. Most of them just stand there holding a cup. A few are more aggressive, and will ask "help out the homeless?" or something like that. Some try to pass out little flags; others attempt to make jokes, as in the "Eat 'em up Tigers" guy.

    But in my experience, it's rare for a homeless person to really be annoying. Mostly, the more aggressive guys will simply ask for a donation. If you politely tell them no and keep walking, they usually won't bother you any more.

    As far as the "murder capital of the country" part goes, you're right. Detroit does hav a high murder rate, although 99 percent of the homicides take place in the neighborhoods, with people who know each other, mostly dope-related. As it pertains to this discussion, the more operative thing to ask is, what's the murder rate in downtown Detroit during sporting events? There are literally cops on every corner, and people everywhere.

    It sounds to me like you don't want your young relatives to be exposed to those unsightly "creeps." It's also clear you hold Detroit in disdain, choosing to ignore reality (cops everywhere downtown before and after games) and focus on the negative.

    So as a person who lives in Detroit, let me be the first to tell you: If you don't like it here, don't come. If walking the streets of the murder capital of the nation is going to get the bottoms of your shoes dirty, or defile your innocent young relatives' delicate female eyes, then go to Metro Beach and do the breast stroke in a swamp of e-coli.

    Make no mistake: I'm no Detroit booster. The city's elected officials are a complete joke. Most neighborhoods are shitholes. But when it comes to downtown during events which draw suburbanites, every effort is made to ensure visitors have a safe experience. And for the vast majority, that's exactly what happens. This heightened security downtown is maintained at the expense of the neighborhoods. A cop outside Comerica making sure your *** is able to cross the street without getting mugged is a cop who isn't patrolling my block. That's my tax dollars going to protect the likes of you.

    But that's ok. I fully understand the need to try to draw visitors to our city, and, as I said, every effort has been made to do so. I fully welcome those who want to be here, thank them for their patronage, and hope they enjoy themselves.

    But if you feel like you're above coming to Detroit, then stay the **** out, whydontcha? We don't want you here.

    #1) bums don't bother me personally, they actually bother me less than your common frat boys/loud-mouth morons inside the park.

    #2) bums bother my little sisters, my girlfriend, and eventually, will bother my wife and children. you're all saying, if it bothers them so much, then don't bring them. well, 1, it's not their fault they're scared. it's a city where a lot of people are murdered, raped, robbed, beat up, etc. it's dark. there are corners you can't see around. of course they're going to be scared. only the toughest women raised outside of the city won't be. all i'm saying is that it's sad. sad that i'll probably not be able to enjoy a ball game with the women and children in my life bc the atmosphere is so damn scary to them.

    #3) is it completely unreasonable to think that the police should have the right to escort beggars away from tourist areas? - stadiums, casinos, theatres, museums, restaurants, etc. - and back into the areas where they're not so out of place?? i'm guessing that repeat tourism business in your beloved city would be much, much greater.


  8. Perhaps we should change reality and provide hope and opportunity for the homeless rather than hide them like some unwanted bastard child.

    if you offered all the homeless people in detroit a full time job at an average salary, what percentage do you think would accept?

    and what percentage do you think would still prefer the slightly lower salary (and 40 hrs less of work a week) that they get on assistance?


  9. I mean, I hate being this guy, but wtf. i pay 20 bucks for parking to lessen the chances i'll get mugged on the way to the park. and still, i have to deal with 7 or 8 different bums getting in my face about change...and then again on my way back.

    say what you will about my morals or whatever, but ****. my little sisters dont wanna go to the ball park anymore, it scares them, especially walking back to the car after a night game. and its depressing. theres nothing worse than being all jacked up about a tigers win...and then...after that long little walk through hell back to the car...feeling all down and bitter about the city.

    i mean, is there anything that can be done to get these guys away from the park? it seems like the tigers have almost embraced them with the 'eat em up tigers' guy being on fsn the other yr. its not like theres a shortage of homeless facilities in detroit and these guys are starving. its not africa. theyre just looking for booze/drug/lotto money. nothing else. end of story.

    furthermore, this is what sportswriters experience when they come to detroit. it contributes to how bad our nat'l reputation is.


  10. the case study of this experiment is the houston texans.

    everyone likes the texans, sure. but the cowboys have the tradition. the cowboys are still the team everyone follows. even in houston. its a nice little NFC/AFC combo. it'd be awesome to see an NL team in grand rapids. (get to go to a ball park without being hassled by twelve different bums in and out)


  11. napoli's been one of the best, if not THE best, power hitting catchers in baseball over the last two or three seasons. i'd absolutely love to have him. forget about his defense. it's overrated at catcher anyways i think. regardless, he'd be perfect to platoon with avila (righty/lefty). it'd be an awesome start to the off-season!!!


  12. I was just watching baseball tonight and heard them agreeing on something along the lines of...

    "...they're not going to be able to get much for him in a trade anyways, so, they might as well just pick up his option and see what he can do."

    really?

    i'd love to get reyes. he's not the power hitter that hanley is, but...when healthy...he's THE best leadoff man in baseball (this side of ichiro), he's better in the field, and he's about the same age.

    i'd love to get him, and it probably wouldn't cost us porcello either. maybe...turner and nunez, or something?

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