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  1. 21 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

    The first problem the Lions is have is we are never as an organization allowed to ask those types of question. We won't know if the guy can hit a slider or not because we have another guy on the roster that we refuse to move on from to give the other guy a chance. It's like watching the obvious struggles of Miggy over the past several season and refusing to draft a future replacement for him based off of what Miggy was in the past or what we cross our fingers and hope he might be again one day, even though we know he's on the wrong side of 30.

    We've become so gun shy about moving on from Stafford that we've bronzed a statue for him already outside of Ford Field even though we've never won a thing of note with our $135,000,000 commodity. If you want to debate that in the past Stafford has not been the problem and there was never a need to move on from him, fine, we can have that debate. If we do, I'm going to keep referencing the fact that he never beats anyone of significance, has yet to win a big game, has no playoffs wins, pads his stats late in games, and has been a statistical train wreck against average, above average, and great defensive units.

    We need to first get past the fear that we may indeed fail when moving on from Stafford. We could be the Chicago Bears and end up with a Mitch Trubisky/Nick Foles disaster scenario at QB. We could draft a guy who ends up becoming the next Joey Harrington, Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Trevor Simieon,  or Josh Rosen. We could end up with an entire lost decade where we are endlessly searching for Stafford's replacement. That happens in the NFL all the time, but it is a risk we simply have to take at this point.

    We have to empower our next GM though to be able to go out and make any move they want, including moving on from Stafford and potentially drafting an unknown commodity, like Trey Lance, that could boom or bust. From the people who are smarter than me, NFL insiders, scouts, player personnel, they all seem to think Lance can indeed do the aforementioned things in Daniel Jeramiah's scouting report at a big league level, when the game speeds up. They aren't talking about him as a top QB prospect and a top 10 pick because he's the best of a bad lot and there is no one else out there. They seem to place high value on the talent and traits that Lance has and think of him as a guy who has the tools necessary to be a good NFL starting QB. I'm ready and have been ready to see if the grass is greener on the otherside or not. I could end up with egg on my face like I did suggesting Connor Cook would be a good NFL prospect or we could be drafting a top tier NFL QB in Lance. If we aren't willing to move on it though, we can never ask the question and get the answer.


    Also what is your point regarding Miggy? They drafted Torkelson.

  2. 1 hour ago, Gehringer_2 said:

    What you always run into in with guys from places NDS is "who has he played against?" One of the  toughest things in scouting for every pro sport is trying to extrapolate how a guy reacts to a game played at a faster level.  All those things he does so well might break down - or they might not. It's like trying to judge if a guy can hit an MLB slider watching him hit 350 against A ball pitchers. You will never really know for sure because he never sees them there. Guys from lower level programs are always kind of a crapshoot until they get their chance to prove it against the top competition.

    Another big deal with Lance imo (I like him, amazing physical talent) is his lack of experience. He will have to sit for a while imo, he needed to play this year at a minimum. He's the type that needs more seasoning, even with the 0 int's last year.

  3. 1 hour ago, Buddha said:

    i think cephus isnt long for this league.  he's very slow and cant catch.  maybe he gets better at catching next year?  if not, he's probably gone.  the lions roster is so thin at receiver that he's surely on the roster next year no matter what.

    jefferson was a first round pick.

    I would take Mooney over Cephus.

  4. 13 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

    Part of that is the smartest guy in the room problem that the last two Lions GM's have faced. Taking Okudah over Tua, taking Hockenson over Burns or Bush (or Oliver or Sweat if you want to look at players having minimal success in year 2), taking Teez Tabor with the slowest 40 time among corners in the draft then asking him to play man, taking Brandon Pettigrew over OL (Alex Mack) or a WR in Randall Cobb, taking Eric Ebron over OBJ and Aaron Donald, etc. A GM should always be certain in the moves they are making and should trust the people and processes they have in place. But when they get cute, when they think they are smarter than the people around them trying to help like scouts, player personnel, coaches and not relying on their individual expertise and advice that's a big problem. Quinn for example was (according to Mike Valenti's reports) the only person who wanted to draft Okudah. Scouts and player personnel people were split between Tua and Simmons. When they think they know more than everyone else in the league about a particular guy (think Bob Quinn saying he's watched more tape on Teez Tabor than any prospect ever) or about doing a particular task (evaluating and drafting players) that's also a problem. You aren't half as clever or as smart as you think you are. Quinn and Mayhew both thought of themselves as above their peers and reality smacked them down and said they were not.

    Tua sucks. If you had said Herbert, then ok. But Tua doesn't do it for me.

    And Hockenson was as good as anyone in that draft. It wasn't a good draft, and he fit a huge need.

  5. 31 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

    I think a lot of what I want out of a GM is similar to what I want out of a coach. Two things we saw with Patricia and Quinn is that they both thought of themselves as the smartest guys in the league and both were married to essentially one way of doing business and refused to adapt. Do I want a GM with a plan and someone who can look into the future with their moves? Of course I do. But I don't want a GM who is so married to a plan or one way of thinking/doing business that it becomes a determine to this team. You have to be able to change course when something isn't working, a coaching hire, a personnel move, whatever.

    Quinn thought he had it figured out better than anyone else and seemingly refuse to admit defeat and stayed the course on his plan, even as the ship went further down to the bottom of the ocean. Don't think you can outsmart the rest of the league either. Don't pick a Tight End at #8, don't go CB over a clearly better QB prospect, don't draft a rush LB and then use him in space to cover when you know he can't, if a guy has the slowest 40 time among corners in the draft consider passing on him, etc. If you think you are so far superior and smarter than everyone else in the league is, chances are you are not. Realize you have scout, personnel people, and other smart people to rely on and make changes to your philosophy and plan when needed.

    Another thing, they had made the point themselves about marrying up scheme and personnel, then they draft the wrong personnel for their scheme! They put the CB's on islands, which is fine when you have a Darius Slay, but why would you draft slow corners who can't cover man because they're too slow? I'm looking more at Amani now that Teez is gone, and I think Okudah will be good in a better scheme. I think Amani can be better in a zone scheme with his size and length.

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  6. 5 hours ago, Hongbit said:

    Am I wrong to question how effective Bieniemy would be without Mahomes, Kelce, and Hill?   I would probably look impressive creating a system and calling plays for these guys.   

    Correct. I also bet that Andy has a big hand in the offense still.

  7. 4 hours ago, Keepleyland2 said:

    Yes they could. Just need other owner's permission

    And stop with Rick Smith. He's not some golden goose you present him to be. He's spotty at best. Sure they could interview him, but he is the definition of meh

    https://nflcommunications.com/Documents/2018 Policies/7-2018 Anti-Tampering Policy-Clean Version.pdf


    4. NON-PLAYERS. (a) Playing Season Restriction. No club, nor any person employed by or otherwise affiliated with a club, is permitted to tamper with a non-player employee of another club. (1) Football Employees. Unless otherwise permitted by this Policy, no club may request permission to discuss employment with a non-player football operations employee of another club (whether or not that employee is under contract) during the employer club’s playing season, defined as the period from the opening of the club’s preseason training camp through the club’s final game of the season, including postseason if applicable. “Football Operations” is defined as including all members of a club’s coaching, scouting, equipment, training, video, grounds crew, football travel/logistics, public relations, player engagement, football analytics and technology staffs, and medical, sports science, and athletic training departments, as well as the positions of general manager, contract negotiator, and their staffs. (For procedures applicable to coaches, see sections 4(h) Head Coaches and 4(i) Assistant Coaches. For procedures applicable to non-coach employees in football operations, see sections 4(j) High-Level Club Employees (Non-Player, Non-Coach), and 4(k) Other Club Employees (Non-Player, Non-Coach).)


  8. 1 hour ago, NYLion said:

    I misunderstood and was thinking new coach. Regardless, the Jets should be high on the list for a new coach because of Lawrence.

    The Lions are kind of in no mans' land. Not much of a talent base to work from, not bad enough to get one of the elite QBs in the draft, a good but aging QB with 2 years left on his deal, hamstrung by a lot of awful contracts. An awful situation for a new GM and coach to walk into, arguably the least attractive job in the league.

    There are plenty of QB's in this draft. I think Trask will be elite. Different strokes for different folks.

  9. 9 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

    They may be able to trust the league office, but they would not call candidates directly.

    Correct. One candidate they can contact right would be Rick Smith. Anyone else would have to wait for after the end of the season.

    They couldn't contact candidates, per NFL tampering rules.

  10. 1 minute ago, Jason_R said:


    If the Fords made even one phone call... ONE... it would have been front page news the next morning.

    And every single coach and GM and prospect would know that the Ford family was playing games with their incumbent coach and GM, and no coach or GM prospect would ever trust the Ford family not to do it to them, too.

    That would be a surefire way to add "duplicitous" to the franchise's reputation of merely "incompetent." See who is willing to take your jobs then.

    Yeah, NFL people don't play that. Shelly might have been talking to people in the league about it. It's not a secret.

  11. 1 hour ago, Keepleyland2 said:

    No. They played it safe last time. Go for big. 

    Rick Smith gets us to 10 wins and that's it. He's the caldwell of GMs

    OH and "Helacious defense" yeah in his entire tenure the defense ranked top 5 in scoring one time....**** even our inept franchise has done that in the last 20 years. Helacious my ***

    Go for smart.

  12. I think the Lions can hire a good GM rather quickly. Rick Smith has a lot of good experience in Houston, and built a helacious defense over there during his watch. He has 12 years of experience, which I think the Lions need right now, and has no position right now. He left the Texans after 2017 to take care of his wife during her bout with cancer.

    I would also let Smith hire his own HC.

  13. 4 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

    Sorry, dude. You don't manage via abstract rules.

    They hired a rookie GM and left him without interference. And they ended up burning Stafford's prime years as a result. 

    If they somehow hire Ozzie Newsome as GM, yes, BTFO. But if they hire another rookie as GM, they better give him a tight leash.

    Please, don't call me dude.

  14. 3 minutes ago, T&P_Fan said:

    Those coaches would be so uninspiring. Definitely no defensive coordinator.  Has to be a coach with a offensive background.  49ers passing game sucks.  

    The Colts and Wisconsin defenses have been very inspiring. Mike Lafleur is also Matt's brother, and sounds like he's very similar.

  15. 11 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

    No. The problem all along has been little or no ownership input. In particular, the problem with Patricia is that they let Quinn hire who he wanted with little or no ownership input. 

    Since they do not have any football experience in the executive office, they need to ensure they do not allow a mindless conformity to grow in the football operation. They did not do that with Quinn and Patricia. 

    I hope they add someone with football experience to their executive office, someone on a par with Rod Wood. Then let that person (Tony Dungy?) run the GM search and the coach search.


    If I'm GM, I'm gonna want to make my hires without interference from the owner. Let football people make football decisions.

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