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  1. hammb

    Justin Verlander Traded to Astros

    Firstly, never said that I won't be rooting for them. Certainly I will. I have no problem watching a young, obviously talented team, grow. **** it's a lot of fun. But what I predict for the next year or two is something a lot more akin to 2003 where we're filling a roster with a bunch of AAAA fodder, because we're still several years from any REAL prospects making their debuts. And that is not entertaining to me in the least. I can deal with it in Football, watch horrible teams looking for the one or two young brightspots...but not baseball. Not a sport that plays 162 games over 6 months time. During the best weather time of year when there are countless other things to do. This has the makings of returning baseball to the Phil Garner days where I pay attention for the start of APril then forget baseball is even being played by mid-May. If you can find entertainment value in watching a 100 loss team in the hopes of seeing the early years of the next Bobby Higginson, more power to ya...I cannot. If that makes me a bandwagoner so be it, but it is what it is. 162 games of crap baseball is NOT my idea of quality summertime entertainment. Keeping JV on the team guaranteed at least 30 of those games had entertainment value.
  2. hammb

    Justin Verlander Traded to Astros

    See that's just it. I don't think it IS necessary. Does it maybe make us a better team in 3 years than we would be if we just let JV stick around? Sure, it probably does. But I don't think it's necessary either. Draft well, develop the talent. I find it impossible to believe that picking up these 3 prospects was the difference in the 2020 team winning or not winning. Again, it's not that I have a problem with the business aspect. I had no problems moving Price, Upton, Cespedes, etc. I get the business aspect of the game. I disagree that the business aspect or winning is always the primary concern for me, as a fan. JV is not just another player. He is the best player the Tigers have drafted in my lifetime. He is the best pitcher the Tigers have had in my lifetime. I expect those statements to remain true for a VERY long time. Watching him pitch has more value to me than a few wins in 2020, and I think a well run organization could build a future winner while still letting me watch him pitch in the meantime.
  3. hammb

    Justin Verlander Traded to Astros

    Thing is with Max I had seen him already pitch at the MLB level. I saw his stuff make MLB hitters look stupid. Yeah, he had had some ups and downs and was far from established, but I (and I'm sure others) not only knew who he was, but had seen him pitch. And even though Granderson was my favorite player at the time (and first jersey I ever purchased), he wasn't nearly on JV's level. JV is a HoF talent, and the guys we got back are not even ready to help Toledo win yet.
  4. hammb

    Justin Verlander Traded to Astros

    Sure 3 years from now, IF they are actually winning again, I'll be happy for the current state of the team. But I don't watch the Tigers only for wins. I watch for entertainment. Winning is part of that, of course, but I've still made it a point to follow the team on JV days all season despite how awful we are. So yeah, 3 years from now if this trade pans out, I'll have some entertainment to look forward to. In the meantime I doubt that I'll even give a second thought to opening day, let alone the rest of the season for the '18/19 seasons. And the rest of '17 is garbage is well. This trade has essentially ended baseball for me for the next 3 years. At least we still have Miggy, I guess
  5. hammb

    Justin Verlander Traded to Astros

    They've been beaten down to the point where they think every good season is a mirage. Trading CC, Colon, and Lee over the years has pretty much convinced them there is no reason to get emotionally invested in the team anymore because ownership will trade away every player due for a payday. You know...kinda like what we're feeling right now, but for them it's been built up for the past 15+ years. They hate Dolan and that's why they still don't flock to one of the best current teams in baseball.
  6. hammb

    Justin Verlander Traded to Astros

    So freaking upset. I knew it was probably coming, but it didn't ease it any when it finally did. I've said it a million times, but there was NO return that could justify trading JV. This isn't a salary cap league, you're basically giving away the only reason to watch the Tigers because you don't want to pay him. Eff the Illitch kids. I dunno if any of these kids end up being good, I don't even care. It's probably no better than 50/50 that either will provide as much production as we'd get from the last few years of JV's contract. I wanted to watch JV pitch the rest of his career in Detroit and then see the statue built for him. I don't expect I'll be buying tickets for a game the next 3-4 years at the least. And if that earlier mention of the DeVos family comes to fruition I will no longer be a Tigers fan period. This is a sickening day to be a Tigers fan. And it doesn't even matter what the return is (which seems rather lackluster when you don't even get their top prospects).
  7. There is no realistic return that could possibly have me "OK" with trading Justin Verlander. I wouldn't be OK with it for the top prospects in all of baseball, let alone the top from any one team. Justin Verlander is worth more [to me] in a Tigers uniform than any additional wins down the line. He's going to have a statue in Comerica one day if he stays in Detroit for the rest of his contract/career. He's most likely a Hall of Famer. He's the best pitcher I've ever had the pleasure of watching pitch for the Tigers, and quite likely the best pitcher I ever will get to watch pitch for the Tigers. I still find his starts as must tune in games, if only for the occasional glimpses of what used to be. I don't care if you could guarantee me (you cannot) that the gem prospect we would get to replace him becomes a star. The odds of it being a star of JV's caliber are beyond low, and I'd much rather watch this star fade in a Tiger's uniform than hope for the slim chances of watching another star take light. And yes, I know this is pure sentimentality and could very well result in fewer wins over the next 6 seasons. I don't care. Some things are more important to me than wins.
  8. hammb

    There is a lot of goodness

    I would LOVE to see him moved up to Toledo this week since I'll be at Friday's game next week Living in the Toledo area it's always been maddening to me how few of the true prospects we get to see for any amount of time. We got Castellanos for a full year but that is NOT the norm for the way Detroit has handled their youngsters.
  9. The issues this season run far deeper than our manager but only a complete moron would have chosen Rodriguez in this game.
  10. Has to be more to it than that, because if you're ever downtown during the winter months they still flock downtown for the Cavs. Now obviously they have LeBron and have been in the NFL finals the last 2 years, but the Indians were great last season. Downtown Cleveland is awesome, I freaking love it. No idea why people don't want to go down to watch the Indians.
  11. hammb

    2016 Offseason

    Don't get my hopes up like that, it could be one of the best things to ever happen for the Tigers. With the Illitch kids we have no idea what we'll get in future ownership. With Gilbert we can have a pretty good idea. Outside of the Tigers I'm a Cleveland fan, and that includes the Cavs. Dan GIlbert is an absolutely FANTASTIC owner willing to take on payroll as much as possible, and do anything in his power to field a winner. Even when LeBron left he was taking payroll in trades, paying the luxury tax, to add prospects, draft picks and trade exceptions. It was Gilbert's willingness to pay the luxury tax that left them with the assets they needed to acquire Shump, JR Smith, Mozgov, and even Love to add to LeBron when he returned. Dan Gilbert buying the Tigers would be a dream scenario. And I don't think for a second that he wants Miggy/JV gone if he's gonna buy the team.
  12. hammb

    2016 Offseason

    As I posted 10-20 pages back. There is no prospect package in baseball that I would consider trading JV for. No prospects are guaranteed, and we're not allowed to make trades with intimate knowledge of the future. Now if you're telling me I could trade Verlander for 3 players that become future multi-year All-Stars? Sure, I MIGHT make that trade, but there are no such thing as guaranteed prospects. You'd be hard pressed to ever trade Verlander for a better prospect package than what we gave up for Cabrera, and you saw how that worked out. Baseball is riddled with star for prospect trades where 1 or less of the prospects ever contributes in the majors, let alone reaching the status of a player like Verlander. Given that we live in a reality where there is zero guarantees when it comes to prospects. I wouldn't consider it for any prospect package PERIOD. Because in the case of Verlander, he is 100% guaranteed, because I don't enjoy watching him so much for what he does going forward as I do for what he has done in the past. Every time he pitches and gets the first 6 guys out I think, oh man is it no-hitter #3? He's also a likeable follow on Twitter, and quite likely a Hall of Famer. I'd rather watch him play out the string, even if it's diminished returns, than trade him for a different player(s) who is(are) younger. To put it even more succinctly: If you could 100% guarantee me that I'd get a prospect in return that would perform exactly as JV will for the next 5 years, and do so at a cheaper cost? I still don't do it, because I'd rather watch Verlander.
  13. hammb

    2016 Offseason

    Yeah, if they ask to be dealt, so be it, although I"m not sure I ever see that from either player. If JV goes elsewhere after his contract expires and he's 37 or whatever, then so be it, nothing you can really do about that. But, I'm not sure there is any prospect package that any team could conceivably put together to make me want to make that move. A younger, proven superstar like a Mike Trout? Sure, I'd trade then, but that's not happening. Most likely the best you could possibly hope for would be a young, not quite yet star level, player like a Benintendi or something...and no thank you on that for me. Conversely, the JD conversation is an interesting one. If you move him now you're almost guaranteed to be worse off for '17 than you would be with him (IMO). But, if you can add a couple quality prospects, he's exactly the type of guy I don't mind letting go of. He's been beyond great for us for several years now, but I see him very much fitting the mold of the type that you'll have to give 6-7 years of high dollars to, and will quite likely NOT be very productive in his age 33+ years. If you can get him to a 5 year deal? I'd love to re-sign him rather than deal him. But I'd have to think real hard about signing him through those mid 30s years. Dunno, I just don't like the thought of paying high dollars for those ages on guys that aren't future HoF caliber players.
  14. hammb

    2016 Offseason

    I believe you're right. I hope you're right. As I glance through these threads, and see articles/comments on social media though, I'm always stunned that people seem to be fine (and even encourage) the idea of trading either player. In fact I keep seeing people talk about how awful Miguel's Contract is. He makes $30 million/yr, basically, for the next 7 (9 including option) years. At like $30/ticket that's a million tickets a year that need to be sold for his salary specifically, or about 12,500/gm. If Cabrera continues to progress towards the career milestones that I think are very likely for him to finish at, is it that outlandish that his contract pays a good portion of itself off just in attendance numbers? I mean, you're talking about a guy that should hit his 500th HR in 2018. His 3000th hit in 2019. And is still signed for long enough to make a solid run at 600 HRs and 3500 hits.
  15. hammb

    2016 Offseason

    I haven't been following this discussion real closely, but I'll chime in and say I may be in the minority, but I don't care about the contracts of JV or Miggy. I don't care if those contracts hamstring the team and prevent us from competing at some point in the future. I don't care if we could turn either, or both, player(s) into high end prospects that could position us for the long term future. I find watching JV & Miggy more enjoyable than winning, and I see a far greater value in holding onto 2 Hall of Famers as they play out the string. These guys aren't middling players who had a couple huge years, cashed in, and then you are forced to ride out the rest of their days. These guys are both likely Hall of Famers (Miggy is a lock), and we can hold onto them for a long time, we just have to pay them. It's worth paying it to me, because they're worth paying to see. That's not even accounting the fact that HoF caliber players have a tendency to NOT fall off the cliff production wise as they age... Hall of Famers can still be contributors until their late 30s, and to be quite honest I don't want to see either of those players wear another uniform while they're still productive players. And I really don't give a rat's behind if it costs us a handful of wins.