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  1. Is it worth mentioning that another major difference was that in 2003 tickets were far cheaper? Perhaps more specifically the Tigers back then were donating a ton of tickets to local promotions so you could "win" tickets through radio promos, etc. To purchase I think you could routinely get bleacher seats for under $10. As a result I know I attended 4 games that year (somehow seeing 4 wins in that disaster of a season). This year everytime I log in to think about buying tickets I'm just disgusted by the price and exit out. I know they ran some "flash sales" or something, but I missed out on the right time to order tickets when they were still cheap. I see they're running some $15 promos this weekend (when I cannot make it), so I guess they're finally starting to rectify this. Just going onto the site to order tickets (without making sure you're on the right promo day or flash sale) bleacher seats are retail at like $34 each, before their fees. That becomes close to $45. For outfield bleacher seats. To watch a team that will lose 105+ games.
  2. Sure was a blast to watch. And I can watch the likes of Vlad Jr. take BP all night long. It's a spectacle of power. I enjoyed last night's festivities far more than any Tigers game for several years now.
  3. That will forever be the trade by which I judge Avila. And by that I mean to say I'm not sure there is ANYTHING the players returned could possibly do to make me look at it favorably. JV was the only reason I was still watching games, he was still pitching as well as anybody in baseball, and he was still under team control for several more seasons. Yes, he made a high salary, but he was earning it on the field. In my opinion JV should have never even been thought of as a tradable piece for any price, period. My son wasn't old enough to know anything about Verlander, but I will never forget the first game I watched with him, the day we came home from the hospital. JV took a no-no into the 9th against the Angels. If you wanted to make it purely about "value" and detach all emotion from the issue (which I refuse to do) JV has, in his remaining Tiger controlled years, amassed 11.8 WAR for Houston. I'm not convinced we'll see 11.8 WAR from all the players we got in return combined. And since I cannot detach emotion, I"ll continue to reiterate players of JV (and Miggy) caliber should be paid until the day they decide to retire. I don't care if we're watching a broken down shell of the version we remember, there is value (IMO) to watching HoF guys play out the string of their career for my team. ****, he's not even close to an elite hitter anymore but Miggy is still about the only time I perk up to pay attention to this team anymore.
  4. I don't disagree with you at all, but I also don't think you can just wait until you're "ready to contend" to START that buying. You're not going to go out and buy 3-4 impact bats in one offseason. Look at our last successful rebuild. We signed Pudge in '04, we signed Magglio in '05. We didn't really start to see returns on those things until '06 when we added Rogers and brought JV & Zumaya up, but we had all star caliber MLB bats already on the team. We also traded for Guillen in '04 and Polanco in '05. Had they not started adding those FA bats 2 years before the "window" I don't know that the "window" would have been nearly as successful. That '06 offense was mostly reliant on established MLB talent that was not developed/drafted by Detroit, but we didn't wait for all of our prospects to hit MLB before we started adding them.
  5. Firstly, never said that I won't be rooting for them. Certainly I will. I have no problem watching a young, obviously talented team, grow. **** it's a lot of fun. But what I predict for the next year or two is something a lot more akin to 2003 where we're filling a roster with a bunch of AAAA fodder, because we're still several years from any REAL prospects making their debuts. And that is not entertaining to me in the least. I can deal with it in Football, watch horrible teams looking for the one or two young brightspots...but not baseball. Not a sport that plays 162 games over 6 months time. During the best weather time of year when there are countless other things to do. This has the makings of returning baseball to the Phil Garner days where I pay attention for the start of APril then forget baseball is even being played by mid-May. If you can find entertainment value in watching a 100 loss team in the hopes of seeing the early years of the next Bobby Higginson, more power to ya...I cannot. If that makes me a bandwagoner so be it, but it is what it is. 162 games of crap baseball is NOT my idea of quality summertime entertainment. Keeping JV on the team guaranteed at least 30 of those games had entertainment value.
  6. See that's just it. I don't think it IS necessary. Does it maybe make us a better team in 3 years than we would be if we just let JV stick around? Sure, it probably does. But I don't think it's necessary either. Draft well, develop the talent. I find it impossible to believe that picking up these 3 prospects was the difference in the 2020 team winning or not winning. Again, it's not that I have a problem with the business aspect. I had no problems moving Price, Upton, Cespedes, etc. I get the business aspect of the game. I disagree that the business aspect or winning is always the primary concern for me, as a fan. JV is not just another player. He is the best player the Tigers have drafted in my lifetime. He is the best pitcher the Tigers have had in my lifetime. I expect those statements to remain true for a VERY long time. Watching him pitch has more value to me than a few wins in 2020, and I think a well run organization could build a future winner while still letting me watch him pitch in the meantime.
  7. Thing is with Max I had seen him already pitch at the MLB level. I saw his stuff make MLB hitters look stupid. Yeah, he had had some ups and downs and was far from established, but I (and I'm sure others) not only knew who he was, but had seen him pitch. And even though Granderson was my favorite player at the time (and first jersey I ever purchased), he wasn't nearly on JV's level. JV is a HoF talent, and the guys we got back are not even ready to help Toledo win yet.
  8. Sure 3 years from now, IF they are actually winning again, I'll be happy for the current state of the team. But I don't watch the Tigers only for wins. I watch for entertainment. Winning is part of that, of course, but I've still made it a point to follow the team on JV days all season despite how awful we are. So yeah, 3 years from now if this trade pans out, I'll have some entertainment to look forward to. In the meantime I doubt that I'll even give a second thought to opening day, let alone the rest of the season for the '18/19 seasons. And the rest of '17 is garbage is well. This trade has essentially ended baseball for me for the next 3 years. At least we still have Miggy, I guess
  9. They've been beaten down to the point where they think every good season is a mirage. Trading CC, Colon, and Lee over the years has pretty much convinced them there is no reason to get emotionally invested in the team anymore because ownership will trade away every player due for a payday. You know...kinda like what we're feeling right now, but for them it's been built up for the past 15+ years. They hate Dolan and that's why they still don't flock to one of the best current teams in baseball.
  10. So freaking upset. I knew it was probably coming, but it didn't ease it any when it finally did. I've said it a million times, but there was NO return that could justify trading JV. This isn't a salary cap league, you're basically giving away the only reason to watch the Tigers because you don't want to pay him. Eff the Illitch kids. I dunno if any of these kids end up being good, I don't even care. It's probably no better than 50/50 that either will provide as much production as we'd get from the last few years of JV's contract. I wanted to watch JV pitch the rest of his career in Detroit and then see the statue built for him. I don't expect I'll be buying tickets for a game the next 3-4 years at the least. And if that earlier mention of the DeVos family comes to fruition I will no longer be a Tigers fan period. This is a sickening day to be a Tigers fan. And it doesn't even matter what the return is (which seems rather lackluster when you don't even get their top prospects).
  11. There is no realistic return that could possibly have me "OK" with trading Justin Verlander. I wouldn't be OK with it for the top prospects in all of baseball, let alone the top from any one team. Justin Verlander is worth more [to me] in a Tigers uniform than any additional wins down the line. He's going to have a statue in Comerica one day if he stays in Detroit for the rest of his contract/career. He's most likely a Hall of Famer. He's the best pitcher I've ever had the pleasure of watching pitch for the Tigers, and quite likely the best pitcher I ever will get to watch pitch for the Tigers. I still find his starts as must tune in games, if only for the occasional glimpses of what used to be. I don't care if you could guarantee me (you cannot) that the gem prospect we would get to replace him becomes a star. The odds of it being a star of JV's caliber are beyond low, and I'd much rather watch this star fade in a Tiger's uniform than hope for the slim chances of watching another star take light. And yes, I know this is pure sentimentality and could very well result in fewer wins over the next 6 seasons. I don't care. Some things are more important to me than wins.
  12. I would LOVE to see him moved up to Toledo this week since I'll be at Friday's game next week Living in the Toledo area it's always been maddening to me how few of the true prospects we get to see for any amount of time. We got Castellanos for a full year but that is NOT the norm for the way Detroit has handled their youngsters.
  13. The issues this season run far deeper than our manager but only a complete moron would have chosen Rodriguez in this game.
  14. Has to be more to it than that, because if you're ever downtown during the winter months they still flock downtown for the Cavs. Now obviously they have LeBron and have been in the NFL finals the last 2 years, but the Indians were great last season. Downtown Cleveland is awesome, I freaking love it. No idea why people don't want to go down to watch the Indians.
  15. Don't get my hopes up like that, it could be one of the best things to ever happen for the Tigers. With the Illitch kids we have no idea what we'll get in future ownership. With Gilbert we can have a pretty good idea. Outside of the Tigers I'm a Cleveland fan, and that includes the Cavs. Dan GIlbert is an absolutely FANTASTIC owner willing to take on payroll as much as possible, and do anything in his power to field a winner. Even when LeBron left he was taking payroll in trades, paying the luxury tax, to add prospects, draft picks and trade exceptions. It was Gilbert's willingness to pay the luxury tax that left them with the assets they needed to acquire Shump, JR Smith, Mozgov, and even Love to add to LeBron when he returned. Dan Gilbert buying the Tigers would be a dream scenario. And I don't think for a second that he wants Miggy/JV gone if he's gonna buy the team.
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