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  1. Q,

    I think we mostly agree... I not at all against given Meluskey a legit shot at the starting job IF he can prove he can be healthy and if he can prove he can still hit (remember, he was hitting only .222 when he was DL'ed).

    I'm mostly trying to talk to those people who are saying he's a proven hitter (he isn't) and should be handed the job.

    Young, in my opinion, is a proven hitter. He's hit .300 or better in four consecutive years. Meluskey's got promise with his bat, no question at all. But there are some people out there annointing him as a year-in-year-out .300 or better hitter, and basing that on one year is silly. Yes, he hit .300+ in the minors, and yes, minor league stats do have some bearing on a player, but after that year in the minors and that year in the major, Meluskey's had shoulder surgery (for a second time) and now back problems that have kept on the DL for an extended time.

    There is a large question mark concerning his ability to return to that .300 form, if it wasn't a fluke.

    Please don't misunderstand me. I WANT him to come back. I WANT him to push Inge, Rivera, Walbeck, whoever for the starting job. If nothing else, it gives up options in case of future injuries or trades. I am not, however, really to give him a starting job if he can't prove he's up to it (health wise or offense wise).

  2. Originally posted by Oblong

    Weaver's gonna have to learn to work with Inge has his catcher. I don't know if it's been established that Walbeck was his personal catcher but unless you are Pedro or Maddux, you catch with whoever the manager throws out there.

    This is from a MLive article:


    Pujols defended the decision to catch Inge, and Weaver said he had no problem with the change in catchers.

    "Obviously it's a change, but Brandon and I have a good relationship," Weaver said.

    It seems to me that perhaps Weaver was more unhappy with Rivera as opposed to really impressed with Walbeck. I wonder if it goes back to that passed ball that Rivera missed during that game a while back. I forget if it cost them the game or not, but I think it contributed to them losing.

  3. Howdy all... this is a post I originally made in the Usenet newsgroup alt.sports.baseball.detroit-tigers

    I thought everyone MotownTigers might enjoy the post as well. BTW, all the stats are as of about noon yesterday.

    So, without further ado:

    Did you know...

    ...of shortstops with at least eight games,

    Santiago has the highest AVG, SLG, and

    highest OBP of any Major league SS?

    Okay, I know, he's only had 27 plate

    apperances, so it isn't a very large sample

    yet, but still, good job Santiago!

    ...the Tigers have used 22 fielder/batters

    and 19 pitchers so far this year? 41 players

    combined! Sheesh, injuries have hampered

    the Tigers this year.

    ...that the Tiger starting pitchers are proving

    to be big time work horses again this year.

    (Not necessarily SUCCESSFUL workhorses,

    but workhorses non-the-less!) Detroit has

    7 complete games this year. 2 more than our

    closest neighbor the Mets, with 7 CGs.

    (In case you are wondering, our CGs have



    ...our fielding percentage is still bad. We sit,

    as a team, in last place with a .972. Not

    suprisingly then, we hold a MLB leading 51

    errors. And the sad thing is, this is while

    playing the fewest defensive innings as anyone

    else in the Majors. The Braves, with the most

    defensive innings, have played over 60 more

    innings than our 417. Just think how many more

    errors we might have accumulated if we'd

    played those 60 more?

    ...And speaking of errors, who on the Tigers

    has the most? Okay, that's not hard. It's Halter,

    with 12. But, here is a harder question: Who

    has the most errors per game played? Believe

    it or not, it's out new "Defensive Specialist"

    Chris Truby, who's commited 3 errors will

    playing 10 games at Third for the Tigers.

    He's commited .3 errors per game.

    ...Fick and Higgy both have 11 doubles. This

    leads the Tigers, and ties them with about a

    dozen other players for 45 spot in doubles.

    This group is lead by Lowell, of Florida, who

    had 23 doubles.

    ...dispite a number of steal attempts lately

    (some successful), the Tigers still rank

    near the bottom in stolen bases, 22nd to be

    exact. BTW, Guess who leads the Tigers

    with seven stolen bases? Higginson.

    ...the Bronx Bombers are back? The Yanks

    have a Majors leading 84 team home runs?

    This is 12 more than their nearest compeitors,

    the A's. It's also more than double the what

    the Tigers have (38). Not suprisingly, the

    Yanks also have the most runs (297), exaclty

    100 more than the Tigers (197). And the

    Yanks have the most RBIs (283), nearly 100

    more than the Tigers (187).

  4. Well, reports seem to be positive that Fair will be good to go by opening day. Still isn't a definite by any stretch of the imagination, but it's looking more positive.

    Even given a health Fair, who are our corner backs gonna be? Lyght and Fair? That's a little scary. Will any of our late round CB's have a chance at making the starting roster? Will we have any shot at help after June 1st?

    Why don't we retain Moore and convert him to a CB? (Okay, that's a joke, but our situation seems pretty deperate at CB.)

  5. Originally posted by ToledoTigerFan

    If Weaver has a sub 4.00 ERA at the break, it should be him. If not him, then who? No one else deserves it.

    I know I'm going to catch H*ll for suggesting this, but what about Redman? Granted, he'll need to continue pitching the way he has against Cleveland his last two start (which may be very hard to do!).

    However, assuming that Weaver imploded a little and Redman continues on his winnings ways: Stats-wise, the two aren't very far apart:


    Weaver: 4-6 Redman: 2-5


    W: 3.00 R: 4.06

    Complete Games:

    W: 2 R: 2


    W: 78.0 R: 68 2/3 (with one less start)


    W: 26 R: 31


    W: 44 R: 42

    Right now there's no question Weaver is better, just the ERA proves that, but if, like I said, Weaver startings to implode and Redman shows he can beat more than just Cleveland, then it might be more of a question mark come mid-June...

  6. So, who do you think the Tiger's All-Star rep should be this year? Personally, I think it's pretty much got to be Weaver.

    Here's a quick snap shot of some of his stats:

    IP: Weaver is tied (with Royals Byrd) for 2nd most innings pitched of any AL pitcher.

    ERA: Of those pitchers with more than 50 IP, Weaver ranks 8th with a 3.00 ERA.

    CG: Weaver has 2 complete games, including two shutout CGs. Only the Indians Colon has more complete games.

    HR: Of pitchers who've started more than 5 games, only two have not yet given up a HR: Weaver and Boston's Lowe. Weaver's pitched more inninge (78 vs 72 1/3).

    Of course, whoever goes for the Tigers will have a question mark placed over his name. Sure, you might be able to make a case that Weaver deserves an All-Star apperance, but looking at his record (4-6) and one might just as easily say that Weaver only made it to the All-Star game because the Tigers needed a representative.

    And that's my beef with the requirement that all teams need one representative. It cheepens the event. Those who've earned the event, especially those from bad teams, will be confused with those who've been given the event because the team NEEDS to send one guy. Weaver's a perfect example of this. He's a good pitcher who is seems is starting to get some respect outside of Michigan. But for every good stat up there, it's pretty easy to find stats that aren't so good. For example, Weaver's 44 K's don't even get him into the top 15 in the AL. So, if Weaver does go, did he earn it or was he given it? Being the best on a bad team does not equal All-Star.

    Don't get me wrong, I understand why it's done: it (supposedly) generates more fan interest in the game if you get a chance to see your guy there. But I, for one, feel that it cheapens the efforts of those who earned their spot, and I don't feel that it generates that much more interest.

    I think the casual baseball fan isn't going to watch simply to see their guy play one three outs in the 8th inning. He or she isn't going to watch the whole thing just to see their pitcher throw to a couple of guys before he's lifted. He or she MAY watch if their player is STARTING the game, but then if that player is starting, he most likely would've earned the All-Star apperance without the requirement of one player per team.

    Those who are hard core fans will watch reguardless of a representative from their team or not. Their not interested in seeing mediocre players from bad teams. They want to see the best players in the game reguardless of team.

    Only a very few psuedo-fans will watch for their play. People like my wife who really isn't a sports fan, but knows her Tigers because I've always got the TV on. She might watch the All-Star game for a short time if I call her in and let her know when the Tiger represntative is player, but then only if I'm already watching. She would never turn the game on herself.

    Well, there's my lengthy beef...what's your opinion?

  7. Originally posted by justin

    What I hate - the power rankings.

    This week the Tigers (at ESPN) are 23rd. The Tribe is 19th. A team we just beat 4 times in a row is 4 places higher than us. We're 8-2 in the last 10. Last week we were 24th and the Tribe was like 21. An ape can pick a better power ranking than the ESPN guys.

    If our line-up looks pathetic - look at the Tribe's current line-up - ugggh, this is causing me an ucler.

    Agreed 100%! The "authors" seem to have a convuluted way of determining rank based on past performance, future predictions, and current highlights film from SportsCenter.

    They seem to rank some teams higher because they expect them to do better, while other teams are ranked lower because they have yet to play "hard teams".

  8. Originally posted by MotownRandy

    I dont care what Jacksons career stats are. He is playing full time for the tigers now and is doing a good job. Easley will have to earn his spot back and hopefully wont be around much longer. I can live with a Jackson, Santiago, Truby infield. for now at least.

    We need to be careful thinking things like this. The idea that stats don't matter, just look at what he's done lately is the idea that gave us:

    Halter as starting SS

    Paquette as starting 3B

    Macias as starting CF

    All project that have failed. And, as I pointed out above, Jackson's only hitting .244, less than Easley's worst season in Detroit.

    Having said all that, I am comfortable getting rid of Easley for two reasons:

    1st: Declining range/offense: For the last four or five years, Easley's offense has dropped, and this year it looked like his defense was off a bit too. Perhaps I'm wrong on that count, but he is getting older, and will only decrease in my opinion.

    2nd: Assuming that Jackson fails at 2B, we do have Infante in the minors as a replacement.

  9. Originally posted by MotownRandy

    I dont care if minor league stats DO translate to the majors(Q) he has only hit .300 in one season...his rookie season...and has been injured ever since. This guy is worthless right now to the team and we may never know if he is good. Forget the salary, if we keep bringing him back he will only take up a roster spot that someone else could be using. Let him go.

    I agree, and disagree...

    He shouldn't be taking up a major league spot, but let's try and sign him to a minor league job. Tell him that the injuries have them concerned and they want to see if he's capable of playing for a full year in the minors. If so, then we'll promote him to the majors with a chance at the starting job (or a trade at that point!).

  10. Originally posted by PanzerElite

    I was realy counting on Weaver, maybe some of those who saw the game live can comment on what happened to Weaver's start tonight.

    Nothing really... Weaver did pitch a pretty good game in all honesty. Finley just pitched better. Or perhaps it's better to say that the Cleveland hitters had a better night than the Tiger hitters.

    Fryman got a few good hits, but as he was quoted as saying: "If I get a hit against Weaver, I consider it lucky." They just got enough to win where as the Tigers were swinging at everything but the good pitches it seemed.

  11. Has anyone heard anything more on this?

    I know that the Tigers are interested in hosting the All Star game in 2005. Supposedly the announcement is usually make around mid-June. That's when the 2004 host was announced last year.

    I've been unable to find much info about whether the Tigers have a shot at getting it or not.

    Personally, I think it would be great for Detroit to have the All-Star game in 2005. Granted, any time would be nice, but in particular 2005 would be nice.

    If it _did_ happen, Detroit would host the All-Star game in July of 2005 and then six months later, in January of 2006, Detroit would host the Super Bowl. It would be quite an Sports eventful time.

  12. As much as I'd like to see Easley trade off, I really don't think it will happen.

    Really, what does Easley bring to the table that would make a playoff contender go after him? He has a weakening bat, and a reducing range.

    Granted, he is (right now) probably an above average defensive fielder, and that's about it.

    Baring a major injury on a real contender who is looking for an above average defensive 2nd baseman, no one is going to want to trade for him.

    My prediction is that he'll end up being cut at the end of the year. Someone somewhere will pick him up and give him a year tryout and probably cut him. Then another team or two will trying and he'll slowly fad to nothing. Similar to Clark's situation...

  13. Originally posted by Beeski

    ...as anyone, and there is a chance he can't come back and play like he used to, but look at his stats, it ain't potential, the guy can flat out hit. And even though he's only had 1 full season in the majors, his last AAA season stats, he hit .353!

    I'm in naysayers group here I guess. I don't consider Meluskey a proven hitter by any stretch of the imagination. He's had one year in the Majors, and hit .300 then. Granted, he had a good year in Triple A, but that doesn't necessarily translate to the majors.

    Could Meluskey become a great hitter? Yes, possibly. But considering his health track record, he's a risky bet to stay healthy.

    Furthermore, we need to take a look at his defense when judging him: In Meluskey's year in the majors (2000), he had a .982 fielding percentage, with 12 errors. I couldn't find stats on passed balls, so I'm not sure if those are included in the errors or not, but Meluskey isn't known as a defensive catcher, and his stats seem to back it up.

    We just don't know enough about Meluskey:

    * He appears to be an above average hitter, especially for a catcher. This is however, based on ONE year in the majors and a few years in the minors.

    * He appears to have trouble with his shoulder and back. Perhaps the second shoulder surgery fixed this, perhaps not. Perhaps time off helped his back, perhaps not.

    * He appaers to be a poor defensive catcher. Again, this is based on ONE year in the majors and a few in the minors.

    All this goes to say that in my opinion, the Tigers should NOT be handing the job to Meluskey when/if he returns from the DL. Let him rehab in the minors. If he hits well, progress him up to triple A. If he continues to hit well, try him out again the majors. This is certainly a year to do it. But don't hand him the job over Inge, Walbeck, or even Rivera until he's shown that he can earn it.

  14. Originally posted by Mattingly70

    IMHO, Easley will take care of his situation by his poor hitting. Yes, I'm predicting he will stink up the joint upon returning, making it very easy for Luis to go back to Jackson. This will however make Easley useful for trade potential and may affect Jackson's attitude. I think he's played well enough to keep the job, and I think the old rule about not losing your job to injury is bullsh*t, especially when you weren't productive before going down.

    I think the rule about the injury not making a player lose their job makes sense. And I don't think it's a rule as much as it is common sense.

    No, Easley isn't a great hitter, but he is a proven commodity. Jackson is too much of an unknown at the plate right now. As bad as Easley may be, he's still better than what we've seen from Jackson so far. Jackson is batting .244 with a .330 OBP. Compare this with Easley's .286 and .381 OBP from the first eight games this year.

    Additionally, even in Easley's worst year as a Tiger, he hit .250, which is still better than Jackson.

    I do believe that Easley's in his declining years, and I do agree that as the year progresses Easley will "wiff" his way out of a job. But, I've been wrong on more than a few occasions about players. Heck, I thought Inge would never be more than a backup after last years sub-.200 average. Easley may be worse than Jackson eventually, but right now his numbers are better. He deserves his job back until he losses it.

  15. I pretty much expected that this would happen (as I'm sure most people did...).

    I think it's the right move as well. Up until the injury, Inge was hitting very well (granted, in only 9 games). As long as he continued to hit as well as he was, and plays catcher as well as he can, he'll easily be the starting catcher.

    Inge should still listen to Walbeck and learn as much as possible from him as he can. The Tiger pitchers seem to really like Walbeck, so he's doing something right.

  16. Does anyone know why Pujols continues to start Halter over Jackson at Second Base? I mean we replaced Halter at SS cause he kept making errors, why would we start him at second then? Jackson was doing a very good job there I felt, better than Easley even.

    I don't recall reading anywhere that Jackson is injuried, so I'm just wondering why he's not starting...

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  18. Originally posted by smr-nj

    Not to be a nay-sayer, but the WhiteSox just took the RedSox to school - won 2 of 3 AT Boston.

    But maybe the day off cooled them off?

    Yes, they did win 2 of 3 against the Red Sox, but during that three game series, they scored 10 runs total, eight coming in one game. In the four games prior to that they scored 1, 10, 4, and 0 runs. They have the occasional big game, but those have been less of the norm in the last three weeks.

    Compare this with the 12 game time period between the first game agains the Tigers this year and the last up until today. The Sox scored: 8, 7, 5, 4, 4, 13, 10, 7, 7, 2, 12, and 11.

    Looking at those 12 games vs. the latest 12 games and the Sox were scoring over 3 runs more per game then than they are now.

    A lot of it may be attributed to who they are playing now rather than then, but still, they are not hitting as good now as they were then.

  19. Chicago hasn't been hitting the ball as well as they were the last time we met them, so we might do better than last time. Of course, facing Tiger pitching might be just what they need to get their bats back on track.

    I'd be exceedingly happy with a 2 win series, but realistically I think the best we can hope for is 1 win.

  20. Originally posted by tigermojo

    They forgot to mention his "exhibition outing" was as a pitcher in an underhand softball game...coincidence?! I think not! :D

    Speaking of Exhibition outing... I wonder why they didn't have Anderson do a rehab start in the minors. They've done it with a number of other guys to see if they were ready (like Patterson), why throw Anderson into the fire where it really counts and he's going to feel he needs to overthrow?

  21. Originally posted by Ernest Nzigamasabo

    This is a GREAT site.]logoserver

    Thanks! That's a start...

    I love logos! What do you plan on doing with your research?

    Depends on how much spare time I have, and how ambitious I feel during that spare time!

    I probably start with a few Animated Avatars. Those are pretty easy and the small size means I don't need to start with prefect graphics.

    I _might_ try my hand at a few vectored graphics, but I don't know how well that might go. I'm also thinking of doing some backgrounds possibly. A lot of it will depend on my desires at the point when I have an extra hour or two to spare though, that's why I'm looking for the base graphics to work with now, that way I'm ready to work when the mood strikes.

  22. Originally posted by emj742

    I'm not sure about the facts. Did Pujols become the bench coach before DD came to Detroit or after? I thought it was after DD came here. Did DD forsee Garner failing and had Pujols in place just for insurance? If so I'm really impressed with DD. That's the kind of thinking I want to see.

    I'm pretty sure that you are incorrect about that. Pujols came before DD I believe. I remember feeling at the time that Garner/Smith was trying to seperate the Tigers as much as possible from the 80s team. I got the feeling that they were quite insecure about themselves that they didn't want reminders of the Tiger glory days when they had such a pitiful team.

    I recall directing those feelings specifically at Smith and Garner. And I'm sure I would've directed those at DD as well if it had happen after his arrival.

  23. Howdy all...

    I kind of dabble a VERY limited bit in graphics work, and I'm looking for some old logos of the Tigers. Does anyone know of a good website that has some of these?

    I've found a GREAT site for current graphics, not only for the Tigers for almost any major, and quite a few minor, sports teams. That site is: WWW.THESLE.COM. Unforutnately, they have bandwidth limits each month, so around this time each month they shut down until the first of the next month.

    Anyway, like I said, they have great current graphics, but nothing older. So, any ideas?

  24. Originally posted by cedar

    Yeah,plus Bernero is older by about a year and a half,so there is more urgency to determine whether he has a future in the rotation or not.But Maroth won't be far behind depending on trades and Moehlers return,plus injuries,Lima getting dumped,etc..

    Not only is Bernero older, but he has Major League experience. Granted it was a while ago, but it will help with the 'transition'. There won't be quite that same feeling of "Now I'm with the Big Boys and I'm not as good as they are" feeling that seems to have really hampered Cornejo's ability.

    Speaking of Cornejo, I understand he's unhappy about the demotion. Anyone would be. But if he gets the right attitude about it, he'll do well and come back with a fury. Look at what it did for Inge? I think a little triple-A ball will be good for Cornejo. Let him get his confidence back when he's not under the bright lights.

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