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  1. Ya know... it used to be that the Lions lost on obscure rules that no one seemed to know about.  Apparently the refs have reached the bottom of the rule book and couldn't find any more rules to hose the Lions on, so now they're just making up penalties that didn't happen.

  2. Just now, Motown Bombers said:

    We've forgotten about the call on Walker going for the interception. 

    Let's also not forget the Hockenson almost TD way at the beginning where the defender had his hand right on Hock's facemask, but that wasn't called.  Or the potential PI late in the game.  Or the catch was that secured and only fumbled as the receiver was moving it down but was ruled an incomplete pass.

  3. Okay, did y'all know that there is a Tre Flowers in the NFL?  I happened to be listing to the Seahawks/Browns game for a while yesterday and they mentioned that "Tre Flowers" was involved in a tackle.  Wait... did the Lions make a trade that I wasn't aware of?!?

    So yeah, looked it up and obviously our guy is Trey while their guy is Tre.  But it was confusing me for a moment there.

  4. 20 minutes ago, holygoat said:

    Any word on Hockenson?


    15 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

    Good question


    "Lions coach Matt Patricia said he got a chance to catch up with Hockenson after the game, acknowledging the injury didn't require further evaluation at a local medical facility. "

    This would seem to indicate that he did not have a concussion?

  5. 15 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

    Not sure which pass interference your talking about but if it was on the hail mary pass, Patricia couldn't challenge it. It was in the last 2 minutes of a half, when all replays are called down from the booth. Even if he could have challenged, wouldn't he need a timeout remaining? He didn't have any left to dispute the hail mary.

    I think you're right on all accounts.

  6. 27 minutes ago, sagnam said:

    Full speed?  No.  But we don’t live in that world.  We live in a world of slow motion instant replay and and a player falling to the ground is not down they hit the ground.  These are the same rules for everyone.  Why wouldn’t you be upset with Kerryon for not protecting the ball at the 1/2 yard line?  Why would you not be mad at the players not playing to the whistle.  Tackling the guy with the ball is never a bad idea.

    I agree on this.  You play until you KNOW the play is dead.  That was huge mental mistake by Kerryon and the whole team. 

  7. 29 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

    I suspect the DL not looking less impressive and the DBs looking more impressive than expected is at least partially explainable by the scheme Patricia is having them run.

    I agree.  And I think yesterday this would very much with the idea of containing Mahomes.  I think they were very more interested in making sure he didn't break off big runs on broken plays than they were about sacking him... and for the most part it worked.

  8. 43 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

    I did argue and still believe they shouldn’t call PI on a poorly thrown Hail Mary attempt.   You guys argued back that PI is PI and should always be called the same.  That’s where I shifted my focus to the refs need to be subjective and call the game different in game deciding situations.  


    When I said PI is PI that was directly in response to your comment that PI outside of the EZ on a Hail Mary should be flagged.

    For the record, I don't think the NFL's "unwritten rule" is good, but if that's the way it's done and done consistently, then that's what it is.  But that is not what I was arguing with you about.  I was responding specifically to your comments that PI on a Hail Mary thrown outside of the EZ should never be flagged.

  9. 11 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

    Here is the head of NFL officiating saying there’s an unwritten rule that PI rules will not be enforced in the same fashion on a Hail Mary ball.  They will allow much more contact than is normally allowed and will use some discretion before turning an offense’s desperation attempt in a game determining call.  

    So, according to the guy that makes and enforced the rules, PI is not always PI and I my assertion wasn’t ridiculous. 

    If you argued this, then I would grudgingly agree... (though I would argue that the NFL's acceptance that PI in a Hail Mary is different is kinda dumb.) However, this isn't what you argued.  You said:


    The 2nd didn’t even make the end zone so they should never throw a flag in that situation.


    Maybe if the ball is in the end zone.  You should  automatically lose if you throw it short of the line.   Ref should never throw a flag in that situation.

    You are saying that if the ball makes it to the EZ than PI rules should be enforced -- perhaps more loosely than in non-Hail Mary situations, but should be enforced to some level.  But if the ball doesn't make the EZ in a Hail Mary than no PI should be called: "...they should never throw a flag in that situation."

    That's what I don't agree with. The NFL is saying: "We allow more contact in a Hail Mary situation vs. non Hail Mary situations."
    But you're saying: "In a Hail Mary where the ball makes the EZ we call PI one way, but if the ball doesn't make the EZ, we don't call PI at all."

  10. 2 hours ago, Hongbit said:

    To each their own.  I don’t think the refs should bail a team out on a Hail Mary that falls short of the end zone.   Ball in the end zone, then sure if the PI is super obvious, the ref should call it.  

    What if a team needs 20 yards for a first down and the PI happens at 18 yards?  Should the refs bail out a team on a long pass that falls short?

  11. 4 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

    It’s going 47 MPH in a 45 zone.   Sure, it’s technically a penalty but it should never be called like that with a game deciding flag.  

    If it's a legitimate penalty, yes, it should.  Now, if it was ticky-tacky, then I'd probably side with you, but if it's legit (and all i've seen of it is that little grainy twitter vid so I don't know how egregious it was or wasn't), then it should be called.  Yep, probably is he catches it, he's stopped short of the EZ, but ya don't know for sure.  It's definitely possible to fall forward 2 yards.

  12. 4 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

    Maybe if the ball is in the end zone.  You should  automatically lose if you throw it short of the line.   Ref should never throw a flag in that situation.  

    Why not?  If it's PI, it's PI... regardless of where the ball is coming down.  It not inconceivable that if he caught it at the two that he coud've wrestled his way to the EZ.

  13. 4 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

    Yep, I feel better about the Lions' season now than I did 4 hours ago.

    Two questions about PI on the Hail Mary:

    a) is asking for a review still at the Lions' discretion in that case or is it different because of it being in the last 2 minutes?

    b) where would the ball have been placed if PI had been called? I believe they snapped it around the 45 of KC.


    No expert, but I think:

    a.) Has to be the officials.
    b.) It would be a spot foul... so where the PI happened, unless it's in the EZ, then it goes to 1-yard line.

  14. 7 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

    Sucks that they lost but offense looked good for the most part(aside from the stupid fumbles).  Secondary played great as well considering the injuries, DLine still doesn't look good though.   No sacks, only 3 TFL and gave up 123 yards on the ground.   They have definitely been the weak link of the team thus far.  

    It seemed like the DL was only rushing 3 for much of the game though.

  15. 9 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

    That was probably the best Lions game I've watched in years, considering the competition.

    Agreed.  There were definitely some mistakes from the Lions, but they played hard, and hung tough with a team that most consider top 5.  This is a moral victory... now before you say that are no moral victories in the NFL, I agree... but everyone agrees that the Lions wins (and tie) were less than convincing wins.  How much the other team imploded and how much the Lions caused them to implode is worth debate, but I don't think anyone would consider the wins convincing.  So it would be easy for people to look at them as just lucky.  Now the Lions have hung with one of the best in the league... and frankly did it with a number of big key injuries themselves. 

    Had the Lions been 2-1-1 while getting blown out by the Chiefs... it would have looked more towards the Lions just lucky in their wins.  But now having watched them play this well, I'd say 2-1-1 is solid record and one they've earned.

  16. 3 hours ago, NYLion said:

    I bet you that a more aggressive coach would have called a timeout, McVay, Belichick, Payton, Rivera. The Lions had 3 and there was still 40 seconds left with the opposition deep in their own territory. The potential reward of a field goal at the end of the half outweighs the risk of giving up a 1st on 3rd and 13 IMO. Getting the ball first in the 2nd half shouldn't factor in. You should always push for more points if it's feasible.

    Lemme try something here...  Let's say it's 3rd and 13 with the Lions having the ball... just 40 seconds left, not very many TOs... and a long field to go.  Would you be happy if the opposing team gifted you a timeout in that situation?  Give you the chance to think about how you wanted to attack that 3rd and 13... let you save one of your TOs for if you got down the field and needed it to set the FG team?

    I would have!

  17. On 9/24/2019 at 4:03 PM, Scottwood said:

    Just based on DVOA at football outsiders and home/road effects, I think the Lions would be projected to go around 10-5-1 at this point.  The next two games look like losses on paper.

    I fully expect a win on Sunday.  The Lions will be touted as "the real deal" for beating KC, and doing it skillfully.  We will all start drinking the kool-aid.  The Lions will get a week off to rest up, repair, and prepare for a national game Monday night in Green Bay ready to show the NFL world that they've arrived... and they will lay just a massive egg on the field and be utterly embarrassed.  It's the most Lions thing to do.

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