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  1. 3 minutes ago, Shelton said:

    I think you meant to say “implies.” Not sure because I fell asleep before finishing. 

    When something “inheres“ it is a substantial or permanent feature of something asserting objective being as opposed to “implying” which is subjective and refers to something which may or may not be the case. 

  2. In the American psyche baseball has long stood for something noble, sometimes something even holy, attaining a certain pride of place in the iconography of how we make sense of ourselves and grasp for something beyond the mundane even though it’s always been — for the most part — a mere commercial enterprise.

    A change such as this is an even greater intrusion of the mundane into baseball’s trans-mundane space and it reduces baseball to something still more common. I enjoy the thrills and all the other stuff that goes with this game as much as anyone but I like the scent of frankincense that inheres in the game and which infers that it’s something greater than it appears to be more than I like a spectacle. 

  3. “We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win.“ — JFK

  4. And everybody gets cupcakes for breakfast every morning, they all get participation ribbons, and Oprah gives all of them a new car.

    You would think that a grueling 162- game schedule could be enough to separate the wheat from the chaff. But instead teams that score a 50% all semester are just as worthy as teams that get 90% because you can make it all up on the final. 

  5. I think the accusation that all Indians fans are subhuman is an expression of a fascist ideology of genocide and eliminationism that is — unfortunately — in boastful resurgence today.

    I lived in Tucson where the Indians had their spring training and I went to their games frequently over 13 years, 1974-1987. They were the most uninspiring team. So uninspiring that I don’t remember ever having met a genuine Indians fan or ever seeing an Indians cap on anyone’s head in the stands. I didn’t get the feeling it was worth the effort for people to come all the way from Cleveland to Tucson just so they could watch their terrible team play amidst palm trees instead of in their dank and horrible stadium. I don’t remember ever having the sense that in the city that hosted the Indians for spring training for something like 50 years there was a single fan of Indians other than one grounds keeper you would see on occasion wearing an Indians cap.

    But I remember meeting Bob Feller and he was a good guy and he gave me a baseball. I remember sitting next to Joe Garagiola in the stands and he pointed out Herb Score to me. When Frank Robinson was the manager he autographed a baseball card for me. I remember before a game seeing a young Cory Snyder in his crisp white stainless home uniform — which after the game would be filthy because of how hard he played the game — having a picnic lunch with his incredibly proud parents under a palm tree at Hi Corbett Field. I remember meeting the most breathtaking Baseball Annie on earth waiting for players on the practice fields and realizing she was the most perfect human being who ever lived. 

    There are enough Indian fans who are real baseball fans I am certain they would never suffer the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah where God could not find even one righteous person in their midst. There are enough stainless hearts and stainless moments associated with the Cleveland Indians for me to assert they represent baseball as well as anyone else and that the pox of their 72-year drought deserves to end.

  6. 7 hours ago, clark1mt said:

    On the other hand, the Royals have been far more consistently bad in that time, making the playoffs a mere 3 times.  Since the switch to three divisions in 1994, the Royals have finished 4th or 5th 16 times out of 26 seasons.  From 1985, they've only won their division twice and finished above .500 9 times.

    By direct comparison, the Tigers made the playoffs 6 times, finished 4th or 5th 13 out of 26 times since 1994 (okay, only a little better) and since 1985 have won the division 5 times and finished above .500 14 times.

    So while over the long term the two teams appear closely matched, the Tigers are more likely to be good in any given year.  The Tigers also were able to have sustained success (2011-2014 playoffs, and 6 out of 7 years >.500 including 5 years in a row, plus the mid-80s at the beginning of this period) while the Royals only managed to hit .500 in three consecutive years (twice).

    Thank you. That’s a good corrective to my negativism. That extra three wins per year on average can mean more than it may appear to mean. 

  7. 5 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said:

    I was always biased towards Indians fans based off experiences  I had with them when I was a kid/teen when they used to come in droves to Tigers Stadium cause they couldn't get tickets at Jacobs Field.  I was about 15 or 16 at the time but my brothers were a few years younger and were basically just kids yet they despite that they would mock us for cheering for the Tigers.  My Step Dad had to be restrained several times from getting physical due to how rude they were to us.  

    That sounds like University of Idaho fans who come to Boise State for football games. They justly earn the nickname of “nasty and inebriated.“ I don’t consider people like that “fans.“ They are merely spectators acting out.

    Real fans share a love for the underlying forms and universal symmetries of the game that are actualized in the content of a specific club’s tradition. It’s like a fresh water aquifer bubbling up in various cities where people build shrines called ballparks around oases where magic cures take place and generations seek refreshment. 

  8. 16 minutes ago, leflore said:

    I liked the Royals in the 70s. I haven't like them since but did feel like George Brett was about a perfect ball player. My hate for the Indians runs far deeper than my dislike of the Royals. Maybe because I've encountered many troll Cleveland fans on various Detroit boards. When Miggy let Hosmer take one of his at-bats in an all-star game because Hosmer had a shot at MVP, the first thing Hosmer said post game was what a class act Miggy is. And Royals fans gave Miggy a standing O in KC the game he clinched the triple crown. Imho KC has more class than Cleveland. But still, **** em both. And who ate my hummus?


    Edit to add: I typed this post while taking a dump

    Oh I hear ya. One of the Indians fans I’ve met is the longtime manager of the local ABC affiliate. A really great guy who qualifies as a man of the cloth. I tune out the people who are boo birds and trash talk keyboard warriors. Real fans are great. Those are the Indians fans I wish well. Also when you go that long without winning it disfigures you.

  9. The Indians make me unhappy.  I am happy to pile on them too. But I don’t think I can in good faith root against them in the post-season. (unless we’re playing them, which seems unlikely)

    They have real fans that have the same transcendent connection to their tradition as we have to our’s. The fact their team pounded our team for so long is our team’s problem.

    Real baseball fans are like monks. The Dominicans, the Franciscans, the Jesuits, and the Benedictines share a common faith.  When I meet a real baseball fan — and I mean a real fan — I connect with them on a level that normal people can’t understand. A field of dreams level of connection.

    When I was trapped for an entire week in my broken down car behind a repair shop in Yellowstone on my ruined vacation three years ago, the kid who ran the place came in on his day off just to make sure everything was OK with me and my son and he was wearing a Brewers jersey and he was a real fan. When we spoke we both had stars in our eyes. Normal people simply can’t understand this. I feel sorry for them. 

    I can’t in good faith deny to another holy order that hasn’t known it for 72 years the sense of blessedness you feel when your team wins the World Series. I have experienced it twice and I think anyone who hasn’t is profoundly unfortunate.

    That goes for my fellow Tiger fans who have stuck with this team and have never experienced the ultimate joy of a World Series championship.  I hope I live to see you experience it. 


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  10. Regardless of Casmir’s astute observation, as pleasing as it is, neither the Tigers nor the Indians have won a World Series in the last 35 full seasons but for the Indians their drought is 72 years long. Ha!

    But, getting back to feeling sorry for ourselves, in the last 35 seasons, not counting this one because of the Royals and the Tigers have an identical 20 wins so far, the Royals have averaged 72.46 wins per season while the Tigers have averaged 75.6. 

    I have long have this idea that the Royals were really the chumps of the division and the Tigers were easily the better team, but if you look at the last 35 seasons, some strike-shortened of course, the Tigers are only 3 games a year better and have won the big enchilada not once while the Royals however have won twice. 

    Overall I have been living a lie. The tigers are marginally better and have failed at the one greatest thing by which success is measured. I still love them with all my heart and soul but it’s disappointing to have to accept this truth


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    A person came into the Albertson’s grocery store where my son works in Boise, Idaho yesterday saying they had been given this bill as change at a Walmart and that they wanted to break it at Albertsons. Front and back are as he described it to me. But first she wanted them to run it through a “verification machine” and if that failed to at least be given partial credit for the bill. Even after being told by one checker that this was obviously not real currency with or without a machine they went to several other checkers, all of whom relayed the same information until they finally went to the courtesy desk where they were studiously ignored until they left. Of course everyone knows that the reverse side of the bill should’ve been in green. 

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  12. What I don’t like is the seeming insistence that whenever you have a good player you need to immediately trade them for a gaggle of prospects before the good player undermines their trading capital; as if the Tigers have demonstrated an ability to identify and develop talent, an ability which most people don’t think this club has.

    It’s a self-perpetuating cycle of futility. It’s a demonstration of the Freudian death wish, where logically you should be doing things that help you but instead you do things to undermine yourself because you’re more comfortable with that deficient state of affairs than the uncertainty of getting what you technically want could bring. 

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  13. On 9/7/2020 at 7:45 AM, RandyMarsh said:

    Article today in the Athletic about the goings on with all of the Tigers employees and as of now there hasn't been any paycuts, furloughs or layoffs unlike some other teams.  Avila also said that coaches and scouts have been spending time taking classes on analytics and technology.   

    That is spectacular about taking care of people. I’m supposing this is only for administrative staff and not for the ordinary workers at the ballpark. Almost no corporate structure cares about hourly workers. I hope I’m wrong. 

  14. Given the complications of COVID-19 and the general sequestering of players in Toledo are those guys living higher on the hog than they normally would?

    I know MLB is notorious for how cheap they are with guys in the minors so a $10 a day per diem won’t work and you don’t want the guys going out to get food and getting sick, and housing conditions become more important too, so it seems reasonable to assume that they are. 

    Does anyone have any insights into how much better this is for guys at the training site or are your guesses no better than mine?

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