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    sometimes I wonder if people think he lies so much because they think he said something he didn't say

    paraphrasing is a very inaccurate word to describe what you did there, IMO
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    While I'm sure there are more, this is one I just happen to know of, from previous research:

    Closure Of Guantanamo Detention Facilities | The White House

    January 22nd, 2009. Executive Order.

    Sec. 3. Closure of Detention Facilities at Guantánamo. The detention facilities at Guantánamo for individuals covered by this order shall be closed as soon as practicable, and no later than 1 year from the date of this order. If any individuals covered by this order remain in detention at Guantánamo at the time of closure of those detention facilities, they shall be returned to their home country, released, transferred to a third country, or transferred to another United States detention facility in a manner consistent with law and the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States.

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    Most of Romney's "lies" in that article are either due to a different interpretation of events by the author. In other words, they're due to a difference of opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrotigers View Post
    Remember when Obama was going to be the Anti-Bush in the War on Terror/Civil Liberties? Yeah, I guess he was telling the full on truth in that one. But nah, It's only Mitt Romney who would lie about his opponent and his own views to get elected.
    I think you are correct about politicians not living up to past promises. Obama has not fulfilled everything he said during the campaign.

    I don't expect politicians to misstate past and current events the way Romney does, though.

    FACT CHECK: Where Obama, Romney missed mark | Fox News
    ROMNEY: "That stimulus didn't work. That stimulus didn't put more private-sector people to work."

    THE FACTS: There is no doubt that Obama's $800 billion-plus stimulus, enacted in February 2009, created both public-sector and private-sector jobs, even if not as many as its sponsors had hoped. The director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, Douglas Elmendorf, recently estimated that the stimulus saved or created more than 3 million jobs. Princeton University economist Alan Blinder and Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics, estimated that the stimulus, together with the bank bailout started by President George W. Bush and continued by Obama, saved or created more than 10 million jobs.

    Part of the stimulus was directed toward retaining teachers and other public workers. But the package included plenty of construction and other "shovel-ready" projects with private workers, not public employees, wielding the shovels.
    ROMNEY: "China and the nations of the European Union over the last 3 1/2 years have made real inroads in Latin America and other places in the world with trade agreements and negotiated trade agreements, 44 different trade agreements being negotiated by China and European nations with other nations around the world. Guess how many trade agreements our president's negotiated? None. None."

    THE FACTS: To be sure, Obama hasn't opened new trade negotiations, but he's finished several big ones, overcoming opposition from fellow Democrats to do so. Under his watch, the United States has made inroads in Latin America, too.

    After taking office, he worked to revive a free-trade deal with Colombia that had been negotiated by his Republican predecessor but left to languish without congressional approval, and sought similar progress with South Korean and Panamanian free-trade pacts. The president held off on submitting the three deals to Congress as his administration tried to negotiate more palatable terms to Democrats. He finally submitted them in 2011 and Congress approved them in the fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinister porpoise View Post
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    I don't expect politicians to misstate past and current events the way Romney does, though.
    exactly. comparing an unfullfilled campaign promise (especially one that Congress absolutely blocked the implementation of!) to mis-statements about past fact and current reality is about as apples to oranges as fruit gets. They are certainly both faults, but of quite a different nature.
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