Detroit at Boston - 11/3/06 - Page 2

ridickulous4u · #41 (**permalink**) 11-04-2006, 02:24 PM

well since mohammed plays center and they start battie at center i really dont think your going to see how mohammed does against howard

Buddha · #42 (**permalink**) 11-04-2006, 02:27 PM

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Ben Wallace sucks he got his butt handed to him the other night by Howard. I am glad he is gone he was getting on my nerves anyways. Almost any center in the league can grab 12-15 rebounds a game with the minutes he played but the difference is that they might actually score some points just like Mohammed is doing now.

What centers have averaged 12-15 rebounds per game?

As for Nazr, he was out of the game when the Pistons started to turn it on, Mcdyess and Wallace were the ones scoring inside, playing good defense and rebounding. that all happened with Nazr on the bench.

ridickulous4u · #43 (**permalink**) 11-04-2006, 02:33 PM

Ok guys lets get one thing straight Ben Wallace plays for the bulls now and hes averaging 6 pts 9 rbs and .67 blocks while mohammed is posting a double double and averaging more blocks....I know I know its early but I promise u this mohammeds numbers across the board will be better than bens this season

Buddha · #44 (**permalink**) 11-04-2006, 02:37 PM

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Ok guys lets get one thing straight Ben Wallace plays for the bulls now and hes averaging 6 pts 9 rbs and .67 blocks while mohammed is posting a double double and averaging more blocks....I know I know its early but I promise u this mohammeds numbers across the board will be better than bens this season

Do you honestly think Nazr Mohammed is a better player than ben wallace? And, if so, did you think it last year when Mohammed was riding the pine at San Antonio? or did the revelation suddenly occur to you after Wallace signed with the Bulls and mohammed signed with the Pistons?

ridickulous4u · #45 (**permalink**) 11-04-2006, 02:44 PM

no I don't but I do know that ben isnt on my team anymore and mohammed is. I am sorry if it seems like I am being mean about it but I am just mad at Ben and so far im satisfied with Nazr.

Anthony · #46 (**permalink**) 11-04-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ridickulous4u

Ok guys lets get one thing straight Ben Wallace plays for the bulls now and hes averaging 6 pts 9 rbs and .67 blocks while mohammed is posting a double double and averaging more blocks....I know I know its early but I promise u this mohammeds numbers across the board will be better than bens this season

Its been 2 or 3 games.

Numbers will change.

jadefalcon · #47 (**permalink**) 11-04-2006, 03:00 PM

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no I don't but I do know that ben isnt on my team anymore and mohammed is. I am sorry if it seems like I am being mean about it but I am just mad at Ben and so far im satisfied with Nazr.

Nazr Mohammed is not a better player than Ben Wallace. Not now, not ever. If you are mad at Ben for leaving, then fine. But just keep in mind that the Pistons shafted Ben to some degree because of their decision to side with Flip. Ben knew that his talents could best be utilized by being with a young, promising, defensive-minded team like the Bulls. I fault the Pistons by not doing more to keep Ben, and then compounding their mistake by signing Nazr. Signing Nazr was a panic move because it was either him or Joel Pryzbylla.

Anthony · #48 (**permalink**) 11-04-2006, 04:23 PM

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Nazr Mohammed is not a better player than Ben Wallace. Not now, not ever. If you are mad at Ben for leaving, then fine. But just keep in mind that the Pistons shafted Ben to some degree because of their decision to side with Flip. Ben knew that his talents could best be utilized by being with a young, promising, defensive-minded team like the Bulls. I fault the Pistons by not doing more to keep Ben, and then compounding their mistake by signing Nazr. Signing Nazr was a panic move because it was either him or Joel Pryzbylla.

Post of the year

pyrotigers · #49 (**permalink**) 11-04-2006, 04:55 PM

And what should they have done? Nazr is a solid if unspectacular center, even average centers are usually horribly overpaid and hard to come by, signing him wasn't a mistake.

I think people just need to accept that this isn't the NBA Championship Pistons anymore, they weren't last year when we still had Ben either.

DrWho17 · #50 (**permalink**) 11-04-2006, 05:26 PM

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I'm looking forward to seeing how this plays out. The defense was so horrible in the first game, starting with the perimeter defenders that it was hard to get a read on Nazr. Even with Ben the Pistons defense depended on the perimeter defenders to at least get beaten where they had Ben's help...I thought the Pistons became less effective after the rule changes or when having to contend with quick or more balanced offenses. Nazr isn't going to help with that problem but he's looked like a decent one on one defender so far and I think he and Rasheed might end up working better together than anticipated.

Again with the rule changes, the rules were changed prior to the Pistons championship season. They aren't a factual excuse. The rule changes didn't even really affect the Pistons anyway, since they weren't a hand checking type of team.

Milwaukee has been lighting up the Pistons for years, they have the Pistons number, in my thought Redd is the toughest player in the league against the Pistons, without Rasheed and Mohammed MIA most of the game, they should have scored 120+, that's the only surprise in that game.

DrWho17 · #51 (**permalink**) 11-04-2006, 05:36 PM

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Nazr Mohammed is not a better player than Ben Wallace. Not now, not ever. If you are mad at Ben for leaving, then fine. But just keep in mind that the Pistons shafted Ben to some degree because of their decision to side with Flip. Ben knew that his talents could best be utilized by being with a young, promising, defensive-minded team like the Bulls. I fault the Pistons by not doing more to keep Ben, and then compounding their mistake by signing Nazr. Signing Nazr was a panic move because it was either him or Joel Pryzbylla.

Probably not in the game changing sense, and I'm not a real big fan of Mohammed, however Mohammed might be a better fit for Saunders. This is yet to be determined, and will only be played out as the season goes along. The Pistons with the addition of Saunders were turning into a team where Ben W no longer was a proper fit, Mohammed although a lesser player has a wider skill set (offensively) that fits into the Pistons plans better.

Truth · #52 (**permalink**) 11-04-2006, 06:19 PM

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Again with the rule changes, the rules were changed prior to the Pistons championship season. They aren't a factual excuse. The rule changes didn't even really affect the Pistons anyway, since they weren't a hand checking type of team.

And again with misstating when the changes took place. They took place after the Pistons championship and they involved both hand-checking and blocking. And yes, the Pistons perimeter defenders did play a more physical brand of basketball before those changes. That doesn't mean they were all about hacking and holding, but they did use their hands/body more to direct their man where they wanted him to go.

It is widely accepted around the league that those changes hurt the Pistons (though intended to open up the offense more) regardless of how often it's disputed here.

illmatic774 · #53 (**permalink**) 11-04-2006, 06:52 PM

To hell with Ben. I like the guy but hes not on our team anymore, and and he never will be ever again... move on. Oh and Nazr has 6 points 6 minutes in.

Betrayer · #54 (**permalink**) 11-05-2006, 02:57 AM

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And again with misstating when the changes took place.

Yep, let's get it right, the changes took place after the Pistons won...y'know the year that two defensive minded teams, the Pistons and Spurs, both made it to the NBA finals.

DrWho17 · #55 (**permalink**) 11-05-2006, 04:06 AM

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Yep, let's get it right, the changes took place after the Pistons won...y'know the year that two defensive minded teams, the Pistons and Spurs, both made it to the NBA finals.

Right, that is the case, here is the NBA rules history from their official site.

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html