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Old 03-22-2006, 12:24 PM
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Miami (45-22) at Detroit (53-13)

Game Info: 8:00 pm EST Wed Mar 22, 2006

TV: ESPN, WDWB

STANDINGS: Heat - 1st place, Southeast Division. Pistons - 1st place, Central Division.

PROBABLE STARTERS: Heat - F Udonis Haslem, F James Posey, C Mourning or O'Neal, G Wade, G Jason Williams. Pistons - F Tayshaun Prince, F Rasheed Wallace, C Ben Wallace, G Billups, G Hamilton.

TEAM LEADERS: Heat - Wade, 27.8 ppg and 6.7 apg; O'Neal, 9.1 rpg. Pistons - Hamilton, 20.9 ppg; B. Wallace, 11.8 rpg; Billups, 8.7 apg.

SEASON SERIES: Tied, 1-1.

12/29/05 - Det 106 Miami 101 | Recap | Box Score | Shot Chart | Game Thread

2/12/06 - Miami 100 Det 98 | Recap | Box Score | Shot Chart | Game Thread

LAST MEETING: Feb. 12; Heat 100-98. At Miami, O'Neal added 31 points for the Heat, who outscored the Pistons 29-14 in the fourth quarter.

ROAD/HOME RECORDS: Heat - 19-15 on the road; Pistons - 29-2 at home.

After clinching the Central Division title Monday, Detroit Pistons coach Flip Saunders' next goal is to clinch home-court advantage through the Eastern Conference in the playoffs.

The Eastern Conference-leading Pistons look get one game closer to that goal as they host their closest competition to that goal, the Miami Heat.

Detroit has an 8 1/2-game lead over the Heat and has won six of its last seven home games over Miami.

The Heat may be without Shaquille O'Neal, who is listed as questionable with a sore thumb and missed Tuesday's 100-96 loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves.

The Pistons' starting five have avoided injuries this season as Detroit has used the same starting lineup in all 66 games this season, matching the 2002-03 Warriors for the longest streak to start a year since 1980.

With their same, healthy lineup, the Pistons clinched their fourth Central Division title in five years with a 91-84 win Monday over the Atlanta Hawks.

"First you have to make the playoffs, which we did a couple weeks ago, and then you have to win the division," Saunders said. "Now we have to get homecourt in the East, homecourt in the league, and then we have to win the championship."

Rasheed Wallace had 17 first-half points and finished with 26 as Detroit moved 40 games over .500 for the first time since the 1988-89 season.

"That's crazy," Chauncey Billups said. "This has been one of those special years for us. Hopefully, we can keep it up."

Richard Hamilton added 14 points and has scored 50 points on 19-of-32 shooting in two games against the Heat this season.

Billups has scored just 22 points in his last two home games, but has 59 in his last two games against Miami.

Detroit has a 15-game home winning streak entering this game and has won 29 of 31 home games this season. The Pistons, though, are still well short of the franchise record of 25 straight home wins, established from Jan. 29-Nov. 21, 1989 over two seasons.

Miami's 100-96 loss to Minnesota on Tuesday, snapped a five-game winning streak and a six-game road winning streak.

"We have to come back tomorrow," Heat guard Dwyane Wade said. "We're a team that never quits, we always fight."

O'Neal missed the game because of a sore right thumb he injured on a dunk attempt Sunday, and Alonzo Mourning finished with a season-high 21 points and 12 rebounds in his place.

Wade had 35 points and eight assists, and is averaging 31.5 points on 53.7 shooting in his last eight games.

Wade finished with 37 points and scored the Heat's last 17 points, including the game-winner on a 16-footer with 2.3 seconds left, in the Heat's 100-98 win Feb. 12 over the Pistons. The third-year guard has averaged 35.0 points on 29-for-47 shooting in two games against Detroit this season.

Miami has won 15 of its last 17 games and not lost consecutive games since Jan. 16-20.

Team Notes

Detroit: The Pistons have used the same starting lineup of Chauncey Billups, Richard Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince, Rasheed Wallace and Ben Wallace in all 66 games this season, matching Golden State (2002-03)for the longest streak to start a season since 1980. ... C Ben Wallace collected four steals in the first quarter and was one short of a franchise record. ... Detroit has posted its 15 straight home victory, tying for third-best in club history.

Miami: C Shaquille O'Neal did not play due to a right thumb injury suffered in Sunday's win over the New York Knicks. ... C Alonzo Mourning comfortably stepped into the starting lineup to contribute 21 points, 12 rebounds and two blocks. ... F Antoine Walker had a strong showing off the bench with 18 points and two steals. ... G Gary Payton did nothing offensively, but did get involved in a late-game shoving and shouting match with G rookie Rashad McCants. ... Miami held a 41-37 edge in rebounds. ... The Heat have now lost six straight contests in Minnesota. They also had their six-game road winning streak snapped.

POST GAME

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Pistons beat Heat behind Billups, defense

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. (AP) -- The Detroit Pistons refused to let Dwyane Wade beat them again.

In their first meeting since Wade scored Miami's final 17 points in a two-point win on Feb. 12, the Pistons held him to a season-low 13 and rallied for an 82-73 victory Wednesday night.

"You never want to have a player that has so much confidence against you that he thinks he can just take the game over at any time," Pistons coach Flip Saunders said. "At least he's not going to think he can walk on the floor and score 17 straight on us."

Wade was just 3-of-15 from the floor.

"I missed some shots that I normally make, and they really pressured me," he said. "It was tough, but when we play them again in April, we'll have some counters for what they were doing tonight."

Shaquille O'Neal (thumb) returned to the Miami lineup after sitting out Tuesday's loss in Minnesota, but the Heat lost his backup, Alonzo Mourning, in the second quarter. As a result, O'Neal played a season-high 43 minutes, scoring 27 points.

"We played pretty well, but we had a letdown in the last five or six minutes," O'Neal said. "It wasn't really anything they did -- we just made a lot of mistakes and they capitalized."

Mourning left the arena with a boot on his right leg after sustaining what the Heat believe is a torn calf muscle.

"I don't know the exact prognosis, but it's not very good," Miami coach Pat Riley said. "There's a reason we didn't trade Michael Doleac, and that's because of this exact possibility. He's going to have to step up."

O'Neal has averaged only 30 minutes a game this season, thanks to Mourning, but knows that number is about to go up.

"It's going to be very tough without him," he said. "But Dolie will step up and 'Zo can get some rest and come back strong."

Detroit has won 16 straight at home, five short of the team record. The Pistons also clinched the outright Central Division title, and reduced their magic number for the East title to six over Miami.

"This wasn't any kind of statement -- you make statements in the playoffs," Rasheed Wallace said. "This was just playing a game against a very good team."

Miami led 64-62 with 8 minutes to play, but Antonio McDyess and Tayshaun Prince combined for 10 points in less than 3 minutes to put Detroit ahead 72-66 with 4:49 to go.

Chauncey Billups led the Pistons with 24 points, while Richard Hamilton and Prince each scored 17 and Ben Wallace and Rasheed Wallace combined for 20 rebounds.

"Both teams wanted to win this game in the worst way," Billups said. "It was kind of an ugly game, but the intensity was there. This was a playoff game. It really was."

Antoine Walker added 15 points for the Heat.

The Heat held Detroit to a season-low 35 points in the first half, and took an eight-point lead into intermission. The Pistons shot just 31 percent in the half, including a 1-for-11 performance from the bench.

"We just couldn't make a shot," Rasheed Wallace said. "We had to buckle down and play some defense."

Detroit trailed by as many as 12 early in the second half, but 3-pointers by Hamilton and Billups keyed an 17-5 run that tied the game at 54.

Wade put Miami back in front with a jumper, but another 3-pointer by Hamilton gave Detroit its first lead since the first quarter. The Pistons led 60-59 at the end of the third.

Game notes
The Pistons became the only NBA team since 1980 to start the same lineup -- Prince, Billups, Hamilton, Ben Wallace and Rasheed Wallace -- in the first 67 games of a season. The 2002-03 Golden State Warriors started the same lineup in their first 66 games. ... The Pistons have not lost a regular-season home game in regulation since March 28, 2005, against Dallas. ... Miami's 73 points were a season low.

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MIAMI HEAT
STARTERS 	        MIN 	FGM-A 	3PM-A 	FTM-A 	OREB 	DREB 	REB 	AST 	STL 	BLK 	TO 	PF 	PTS
James Posey, GF	        23	1-2	1-2	0-0	0	6	6	0	0	0	0	2	3
Udonis Haslem, PF	33	3-7	0-0	0-0	2	10	12	4	0	0	3	3	6
Shaquille O'Neal, C	43	12-21	0-0	3-4	4	6	10	1	0	1	2	3	27
Dwyane Wade, G	       40	3-15	1-3	6-8	1	2	3	9	3	1	5	4	13
Jason Williams, PG	32	2-6	1-2	0-0	0	4	4	5	1	0	0	3	5
BENCH 	              MIN 	FGM-A 	3PM-A 	FTM-A 	OREB 	DREB 	REB 	AST 	STL 	BLK 	TO 	PF 	PTS
Antoine Walker, F	28	5-14	4-9	1-2	1	4	5	1	0	0	3	3	15
Gary Payton, PG	       29	1-5	0-1	0-0	2	3	5	1	0	0	2	4	2
Alonzo Mourning, C	3	1-2	0-0	0-0	0	1	1	0	0	1	0	0	2
Michael Doleac, C	1	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Shandon Anderson, GF	8	0-2	0-0	0-0	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	1	0
Derek Anderson, GF	DNP COACH'S DECISION
Wayne Simien, F	DNP COACH'S DECISION
TOTALS		FGM-A 	3PM-A 	FTM-A 	OREB 	DREB 	REB 	AST 	STL 	BLK 	TO 	PF 	PTS
	       28-74	7-17	10-14	10	37	47	21	4	3	15	23	73
	       37.8%	41.2%	71.4%	Team TO (pts off): 16 (22)
 
DETROIT PISTONS
STARTERS 	        MIN 	FGM-A 	3PM-A 	FTM-A 	OREB 	DREB 	REB 	AST 	STL 	BLK 	TO 	PF 	PTS
Tayshaun Prince, SF	42	7-14	0-2	3-3	2	3	5	2	2	2	1	0	17
Rasheed Wallace, PF	41	3-12	1-5	0-2	2	8	10	3	2	2	0	0	7
Ben Wallace, C	        32	2-4	0-0	2-2	3	7	10	0	2	1	0	3	6
Richard Hamilton, SG	34	7-15	2-3	1-2	0	3	3	2	1	0	0	4	17
Chauncey Billups, PG	40	5-16	3-8	11-12	0	5	5	10	0	0	4	1	24
BENCH 	              MIN 	FGM-A 	3PM-A 	FTM-A 	OREB 	DREB 	REB 	AST 	STL 	BLK 	TO 	PF 	PTS
Antonio McDyess, PF	22	4-9	0-0	1-2	2	4	6	0	1	3	0	3	9
Lindsey Hunter, PG	8	1-5	0-1	0-0	1	1	2	2	0	0	0	0	2
Maurice Evans, SG	9	0-6	0-2	0-0	2	2	4	0	0	0	0	1	0
Tony Delk, PG	       11	0-2	0-1	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0
Dale Davis, C	DNP COACH'S DECISION
Kelvin Cato, C	DNP COACH'S DECISION
Carlos Delfino, SG	DNP COACH'S DECISION
TOTALS		FGM-A 	3PM-A 	FTM-A 	OREB 	DREB 	REB 	AST 	STL 	BLK 	TO 	PF 	PTS
	       29-83	6-22	18-23	12	33	45	19	8	8	5	13	82
	       34.9%	27.3%	78.3%	Team TO (pts off): 5 (0)
 

Flagrant Fouls: None
Technicals: None
Officials: Gary Zielinski , Jess Kersey , Jim Clark
Attendance: 22,076
Time: 02:25
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Old 03-22-2006, 12:24 PM
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Tonights game is on ESPN.
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Looks like I'll have to DVR tonite's South Park.
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"The Heat may be without Shaquille O'Neal, who is listed as questionable with a sore thumb and missed Tuesday's 100-96 loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves"

Interesting, but I hope he plays. I want us to beat them with all of their players.

See you at the game!

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Shaq injured? I'm shocked!
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don't worry, he's got icy hot.
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don't worry, he's got icy hot.
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hah. thank you.

no, I've been floating around here for awhile now, just reading everything. I'm jackson_cannery's brother, also an avid motown sports fan. I don't know how much I'll post, but I do enjoy what all of you guys have to say. Go pistons.
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Some interesting stuff in here...

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...603220336/1127

Looks like the Pistons have been working on specific defensive schemes relate to Wade and Miami, but they may not use most of it tonight because they prefer to save it for the playoffs. That tells me that the Pistons do not see this as a "must win" in any way. This game is a lot bigger for Miami than Detroit. Looks like Detroit is going to play the way they play without any special consideration for Miami and let the chips fall as they keep their eyes on June.

Also the little note about Chauncey going 5 minutes in the drill without missing a shot...nice.
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Actually I've been a little surprised he hasn't been hurt more than he has. Since last year I put Shaq's chances at being healthy through the playoffs as not very good. I still think that will be a huge issue eventually.

Is this a big game? Maybe a tiny bit more important than any other regular season game. But I can't see how anyone can think this game will impact any series these two teams may have in 4-6 weeks. That's unless someone gets hurt in this game.

I will be watching about 5 minutes now and then taping it and watching the rest later. GO PISTONS!
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Shaq's playing
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Anyone else hear that last comment about the fans? Tirico said, "Miami has done a good job of putting the fans back in their seats." to which the other guy says "Yeah, they're no longer surging the courts." I thought that was a pretty low blow.
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I noticed that Orlando is playing the Knicks tonight. Just the first half, and Darko already has the most minutes logged on the Magic, and 7 points. I wonder if he wants to prove to Larry Brown that he is not "total puke garbage."
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So far as it's nothing short of a good ol fashioned *** kicking.
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Anyone else hear that last comment about the fans? Tirico said, "Miami has done a good job of putting the fans back in their seats." to which the other guy says "Yeah, they're no longer surging the courts." I thought that was a pretty low blow.

It was probably Bill Walton, who has an amazing grudge against the pistons for some reason...
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Pistons down 11, don't really look motivated right now. I expected more tonight.
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Pistons have cut it to 3, they look better. Really getting after it, Shaq looks good, Pistons have done a great job on Wade.
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Pistons up 60-59 at the end of the 3rd. Shaping up to be a great 4th quarter, Shaq has played almost the whole game I am not sure if he can do that in the 4th.
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Walton's commentary has been incredible.

Miami turns it over 'A smart play from the Heat'

Miami misses a shot 'A great pass by shaq!'

Oh, and apparently Dwayne Wades body is like a sculpture by michaelangelo from a dream. I'm actually dumbfounded by how Pro-Miami he has sounded.

It should be an exciting 4th quarter though, regardless of how annoying the announcing might be.
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Walton's commentary has been incredible.

Miami turns it over 'A smart play from the Heat'

Miami misses a shot 'A great pass by shaq!'

Oh, and apparently Dwayne Wades body is like a sculpture by michaelangelo from a dream. I'm actually dumbfounded by how Pro-Miami he has sounded.

It should be an exciting 4th quarter though, regardless of how annoying the announcing might be.
I listened to him for 3 minutes and heard some ridiculous comments about Miami and had to turn it to Laimbeer/Blaha.
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Apparently not getting the ball in bounds was a 'disaster for detroit! Get it in bounds!'

Edit: He's still ranting about it like 5 minutes later.

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Apparently not getting the ball in bounds was a 'disaster for detroit! Get it in bounds!'

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We're up 6 with just under 5 minutes to go.....

I just realized Wade carries the ball every time he touches it.
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We're up 6 with just under 5 minutes to go.....

I just realized Wade carries the ball every time he touches it.
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I was going to post a thread on the Miami bias from Walton, but you guys are already on it, heh. Gotta love the fast break bucket from the Pistons right there, and he said NOTHING.
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It was probably Bill Walton, who has an amazing grudge against the pistons for some reason...
I don't think he is terrible, I hardly even notice bias. However I can tell you why he does hate the Pistons, if he does.... because he played for the Celtics... and he really hated the bad boys and the way they played the game.

But he really has been on the Heat in the end here. Because they are struggling so bad. And the defense has been stepping it up.

I don't enjoy his commentary, but that has more to do with the fact that I don't think he makes the best observations.
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Who's you're daddy Miami? Glad you could be the state of Michigan's ***** tonight.
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No joke. Rock on. I love winning.
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Heh. BTW, I love Mason. Deee-troit bas-ket-ball! Thats got to annoy opposing teams at times... B)
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I noticed that Orlando is playing the Knicks tonight. Just the first half, and Darko already has the most minutes logged on the Magic, and 7 points. I wonder if he wants to prove to Larry Brown that he is not "total puke garbage."
Darko started tonight.
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Bill Walton alone is reason enough for me to not watch ESPN's coverage of the NBA. That guy is the biggest as$clown on the face of the earth. Give me the local guys any day.

Detroit d'ed it up in the second half, and as usual Shaq ran outta gas. Miami just seemed to fall apart at the end, which reinforces my opinion that the moves they made last year and the players they brought in were wrong. Despite what everyone thinks, this game was important to win. Good to see it.
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I was watching the game while playing poker so I really didn't get a good watch of the game. It seemed in that fourth quarter down the stretch the Miami Heat's offense was exactly the worst-case scenario of idiotic non-discipline play we thought they could be.

I saw McDyess making a few nice post shots when we needed them down the stretch. I like him more and more every week this season.
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still, that first half scared the crap out of me...I didn't like that.
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Entertaining game. I enjoyed watching them beat up on miami but I still say it means very little in determining who would win a playoff series. Every game is important down the stretch because San Antonio is nipping at our heels but this is just another victory. I don't buy the whole mental block theory. A 7 game playoff series between these teams will be a dogfight but Shaq cannot make the necessary push in the second halves of games.
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Detroit d'ed it up in the second half, and as usual Shaq ran outta gas. Miami just seemed to fall apart at the end, which reinforces my opinion that the moves they made last year and the players they brought in were wrong. Despite what everyone thinks, this game was important to win. Good to see it.
I know this much, E. Jones "scares" me a lot more than A. Walker...and Jones created far more problems for the Pistons.

I was pretty disappointed in the first half. The Pistons didn't seem to being playing at all smart, including refusing to challenge Shaq when he had 2 fouls and in general settling for perimeter shots. But I give them credit for looking to their defense to turn the tide...I know they all love Saunders offense but it's good to see they still understand what their best game is.
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Pistons did not look good tonight. Luckily they played good defense in the second half because it was getting ugly. Finally saw Prince posting up Wade. We need him to do that a lot more come playoff time. Is it me or has our running game really declined from the beginning of the season? We're not converting fast breaks well at all at times. Very frustrating.
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Generally speaking I think Prince's role has more to do with his production than anything. He doesn't post nearly as much as he used to (well recently I've seen him and SHeed doing more of that) and that's hurt his production. For about the last 20 games or so his defense hasn't been as solid for the most part but that may have more to do with the overall team defense which hasn't been good, so that isn't all him.

Generally the only one that has improved his defensive play this season in my mind is McDyess. Oh and you can add Delfino to that list as well.
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DaBishop,
I'm just starting to watch the game in its entirety (wade just missed a shot tied at 7-all) but actually I like what you said in that last post. I want to see us return to ugly! I love the games when our defense boggs the game down to Ugly - even if it means we are ugly on the offensive end. I know I am the odd ball in the world but I find those as the great games - when two points don't come easy. And since the Carlisle era those type of games are the ones we've been very successful with.

If I have one concern about the Pistons right now is that they are not playing intense team defense since about the all-star break. And now I find myself a bit concerned about my primary worry at the season's start - if the concentration with our offense over defense would eventually errode our D a bit to the point where we lose what has always been our best strength. I'm really hoping this game (early in the first for me) is a start back to our defensive effort. We simply aren't going anywhere playing the D we've played since the break. Of course I had these same concerns last year at this time as well and we came pretty close to winning it again. But then again Sanders is a different coach and that could be because of his philosphies. We'll see...

One more concern yet - occasionally rebounding.
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Old 03-23-2006, 12:40 AM
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After watching this game one thing comes to mind...

IS IT NOT OBVIOUS WHY THIS TEAM IS THE BEST TEAM IN THE NBA?
How many teams do you know can suck *** THAT BAD in the first half and come back and win the game? How the hell it was a 6-7 (or whatever) point defecit at the half is beyond me the way the Pistons played.

I have mixed emotions. I think if they play this crappy in the playoffs they are doomed but on the other hand...to play this bad and actually win speaks volumes that they can scrap out any style win.

Now to the good. I think their defense did a great job tonight when it had to. Performing when you have to is the key to winning in the NBA. Just 30 points for Miami in the 2nd half? Are you kidding me? A piss poor offensive showing but if you play D like that does it matter?

As for Bill Walton...the worst comment I have ever heard him make is when he was doing a 76er game and said that Samuel Dalembaert should start his own religion. Does that not say it all about that man? Lol. Dam.
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I have a feeling that this win for the Pistons will propel them to another 9-12 game winning streak. That would mean at least winning their next six games (at Indy, NJ, Dal, at Philly, Mil, Pho). Damn, that's a tough six game stretch. I'd be happy with seeing a 9-1 record under that L10 column for the rest of the season (with the occasional 8-2).

On the other side, this loss for Miami, coupled with the injury to Zo, might be the beginning of a season ending slump for the Heat.
 

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