The Dark Knight Rises

[chasfh]

I'm going at 700pm tonight. Should I come back into the thread and spoil it for you?

[Brian]

Can't spoile it for me :D . I will say that if you know your Batman characters then you'll love the end of this film. If you don't I'll be around to help you out.

[Antrat]

I'm going to wait until I can download a pirated hand-held camera version that has shadows of people's heads go across the screen and crowd noise.
The only way to watch cinema. The experience of being there without being there.

[Antrat]

At least 14 people shot to death at a midnight showing near Denver.

[ROMAD1]

Terrible, terrible.

[Motor City Sonics]

People will blame the movie even though it seems like he picked this setting because it would be dark and it would be full - so he took advantage of it. Now we'll have to go through patdowns to see movies too?

This isn't far from Columbine High School. What's in the water in Denver?

[MC24]

Jesus. This stuff just makes me sick. Innocent people selfishly taken by some lunatic.

[chasfh]

I wonder whether they will suspend showings across the country? Maybe in other countries too? I wonder whether there will be entire movie theaters shut down today, at least somewhere in the country.

[Melody]

I wonder whether they will suspend showings across the country? Maybe in other countries too? I wonder whether there will be entire movie theaters shut down today, at least somewhere in the country.

I wondered the same thing after I read that the police were sending out warnings to movie theaters in the area. Since they have the murderer in custody, I guess they are concerned about copy cat kooks?

[Antrat]

Pretty freaky thing.
On the radio they said there was a blogger that wrote about how she was in a Toronto mall's food court moments before a guy opened fire.
She blogged about the incident and wondered what kind of a world we live in that this sort of thing happens.

She was one of the dead at the theater last night.
Jessica Ghawi

Read more at: Colorado Sports Reporter Among 12 Killed In Shooting At 'Dark Knight Rises' Movie Premiere - NESN Newswire - NESN.com

[tiger337]

It seems as though a lot of people on twitter knew Jessica personally. It brings back chilling memories.

[Yoda]

It seems as though a lot of people on twitter knew Jessica personally. It brings back chilling memories.

Yes it does. This is terrible!

[lesgoblu02]

Pretty freaky thing.
On the radio they said there was a blogger that wrote about how she was in a Toronto mall's food court moments before a guy opened fire.
She blogged about the incident and wondered what kind of a world we live in that this sort of thing happens.

She was one of the dead at the theater last night.
Jessica Ghawi

Read more at: Colorado Sports Reporter Among 12 Killed In Shooting At 'Dark Knight Rises' Movie Premiere - NESN Newswire - NESN.com

Jessica was a very good friend of mine that I met through my behind the scenes work with the Rampage. She contributed in many ways to building my blog to what it is today. I will forever miss her smile and laugh. She had a great heart and was a genuinely terrific person. She was spontaneous, happy, and would never accept the answer "no".

Prime example:

Last year, the week before the UM/ND game, she texts me and asks if I have any connections to get her tickets. Jessi was a HUGE Michigan football fan. After telling me her budget, I laugh at her and tell her it's not going to happen. She tells me she will just fly to Michigan and hope for the best. In typical Nate fashion, I roll my eyes and tell her she shouldn't waste her time. Lo and behold, the Thursday before the game, she texts me and tells me she got tickets through a connection with her brother's fraternity. We spent the majority of the game texting/tweeting back and forth about the game. She ends the night with a picture of herself in the stands while the team celebrates behind her. I've never been so envious of, but happy for, anyone in my entire life.

Her free spirit will be missed and I feel like a piece of my soul was taken from me.

Again.

[Yoda]

That sucks!

[NeedMoreLike84]

Sadly, not the kind of reaction Nolan had in mind I'm guessing.

[chasfh]

Holy Toledo, lesgoblu02! What are the odds!?

I'm sad for your loss.

[Brian]

It is very tragic.

Now onto the movie. I will not spoil it for anyone.

The film is clucky is certain spots. Is it as good at TDK? No. But, it doesn't have to be.

It is a very burtal emotional film. Bale & Cain give A+ performances.

Nolan in my opinon has given a perfect trilogy.

[Shinma]

Police blotter:

ALL TIMES IN MDT, AM
1:27: "Bring as much crime scene tape as you can"
1:28: Aurora PD merging communications with Denver PD
1:35: Shooter wearing green camp pants
1:37: bomb squad is there, bringing in K-9 units. possible other bombs
1:40: 18 ambulances on scene
1:41: 9news story posted.
1:42: "All ten people in the theater are black." In this context, it means fatalities.
1:43: Report of a bomb going off in a theater.
1:45: Patients being transported to Denver Health
1:47: Command staff briefing. This is huge.
1:49: Car, Tennesee plates, Hyundai, license [redacted]. third to west, in front of doors. Possible bomb. Main entrances of mall covered. Bomb squad moving in.
1:53: Canine units coordinating at SE entrance between JC Penney's and the food court. May be a bomb in there. Theory that bombs may be in front of theater.
1:55: New evidence for shooters. That's plural. Theater 8, the shooter was seated. One more was outside, went into Theater 9. Coordinated attack. Two shooters. Open door discovered at mall. Suspicion of bomb in there.
1:56: One shooter at large, one in custody. From Facebook: Someone set off some little party poppers in our theatre, next thing I know someone runs in and said there was a shooting. We huddled down into the seats because people were outside the exit. I was fortunate enough to get home safely with my sister but a few friends are still stuck there.
1:57: Due to bombs, police relocating all units to S of Dillard's. Open door was in Macy's. Suspicions of bombs there.
2:01: Second device possibly found, setting up a "unified command"
2:04: MSNBC tweets the story.
2:06: Secondary explosive device found in front of theater
2:08: Bringing K-9 unit to the command post.
2:14: Indian male found as witness. People (witnesses) moving to the food court entrance
2:18: Witnesses being transported to Gateway High School. There are 100 witnesses.
2:26: Story on MSNBC here
At least 20 people were hurt following a shooting at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., police said Friday. The incident occurred at a cinema showing the Batman film "The Dark Knight Rises," a police official told NBC News. One suspect was in custody, police said. It was unclear whether other suspects were involved. The injured were being transported to three local hospitals. A bomb squad was on site at the Century 16 movie theater, police added.
2:28: Theatre 9 going to Gateway HS. Everyone else is triaged. No vehicles allowed to leave. Witnesses being photographs.
2:30: Water jugs being moved.
2:36: Called the Denver Batman massacre by the Belfas Telegraph
2:42: "Possible older cop car-type seen fleeing the scene"
2:45: Which ambulances going where: 5 to Denver, 14 to University, 4 to Children's, 3 to Aurora South, 2 to Parker, 2 to Swedish
2:47: From 9News: 15 mins into movie, popping heard. People thought it was part of the movie. Saw material coming through the wall. Chaotic. Caused a scramble. Several injured people escorted into ambulances. Flow of ambulances slowed down, flow of police has not. SWAT teams there. Theater 9: Guy in body armor. "One of the largest scenes I've seen in my journalistic career."
2:52: Several police cars surrounding a vehicle. Possible explosive devices inside.
2:54: Tuned in to the 9News stream.
2:58: Newscast from Gateway HS. Witness is talking. People heard explosions and gunfire. No idea what happened. One shooter had a gas mask and was throwing tear gas.
2:59: Scanners report knife pulled on someone. WAY far away from theater. May be unrelated.
3:01: Someone reporting hand pain outside the theater.
3:02: Confirmed: At least 10 killed, 39 injured. Theaters 8 and 9 were sold out, and that's where the shooting took place. 9News confirms that one person is in custody.
3:02: Nothing found inside the mall so far. Dogs coming out.
3:06: Witness interview from earlier being replayed. Witness in Theater 9 was young woman. She described a man about 6' tall kicked through the door in a riot helmet and bulletproof vest. He was completely covered in all black, with goggles. After that, she and her boyfriend dropped to the floor. They got up, ran through the emergency exit. Shooter made his way up the stairs and started shooting people with the shotgun.
3:10: News is stalling until the police chief address.
3:15: Press conference: Gas released, gunman opened fire. Only know of one gunman. Police officers respond, find the gunman outside of the theater, carrying gas mask, rifle, handgun. One additional weapon found inside. 50 were hit. 14 confirmed dead.
3:15: Comment from [redacted]: I live in Aurora, CO, Thought I'd share. "We were 20 min into the movie when the fire alarms started going off. We thought it was a prank. Then emergency intercom came on say there was a situation and we need to evacuate immediately. Next thing we know there was a police officer was outside the emergency exit with a shotgun yelling at us to run as far away from the theater as possible. We run out. There were people covered with blood every where with what looked like bullet wounds. Kids were crying . It was a terrible scene. Talked to some people, they are saying a man came into one of the theaters threw an explosive device and started shooting." -from a guy that was there.
More info from friends. "I was in the theatre, 9 people are dead shooting started inside the theatre and went to the back of the theatre. 3 people got show few rows infront of me and cops are up there with the SWAT with automatics and everything.It was scary. The first shots that were fired everyone stayed calm because they thought it was stupid kids with bottle caps. 2nd wave was fired the niggas ran out the theatre and thats when hell broke loose. Everyone was vulnerabe even as they left through the emergency exits" -KC Cannady
second part doesn't sound intelligent, but posted for historical reasons
3:30: AR-15 was the gun potentially used. One shooter or two? Many questions and very few answers other than a new death toll after the press conference. Keep your thoughts with the victims and their families.
3:42: More testimonies. Babies and small girls shot. News anchors getting emotional. Reports that the suspect had explosives in his apartment, which is also being searched.
3:49: More confirmation. 14 dead. 50 injured.
4:01: 9News has the video. The video is extremely graphic, and they aren't showing it with audio.
4:04: "No reason to believe there is a second gunman"
4:06: 10 died at the theater, 4 died at the hospital. 50 others had injuries.
4:13: 911 calls and police radio being played. They're talking about the tear gas.

[lordstanley]

Jessica was a very good friend of mine that I met through my behind the scenes work with the Rampage.

Wow, that floors me. Just terrible.

[Vonlenska]

God, and her poor boyfriend was right beside her..

[Motor City Sonics]

I wonder whether they will suspend showings across the country? Maybe in other countries too? I wonder whether there will be entire movie theaters shut down today, at least somewhere in the country.

**** NO ! Don't give the bastard the satisfaction. Live your lives and don't give in to the fear that this guy wants to create.

[Oblong]

I have had the same pit in my stomach all day, the same feeling I had back in April 2007. Somehow while we're all anonymous to some degree on here it also brings us to where we know complete strangers. I had no idea who this Jessica person was but lots of others did and she was just like people I know and read every day. I have no desire to watch the news or coverage of this or of politics or anything else. I don't care. Having dinner and going to the game.

[lesgoblu02]

God, and her poor boyfriend was right beside her..

Wasn't her boyfriend. He was a long time friend and did everything he could to protect her.

I imagine her boyfriend is an absolute mess. To have something like that happen and not be able to be there to help...ugh.

[Lousluggage]

Wow lesgoblu, I'm so sorry. Wish I could say something that could help more. :(

[lordstanley]

Denver Post columnist Adrien Dater, well known to Detroit hockey fans for his book on the Avs-Wings rivalry, writes about Jessica.

Jessica Redfield killed in Aurora theater shooting

This is going to have to be quick. I literally am sick to my stomach as I write this, trembling a little at the keyboard and in total shock.
Among the victims of the tragic shooting early this morning at an Aurora theater was a friend of mine – Jessica Redfield. Just yesterday, just freakin’ yesterday, I was swapping Twitter direct messages with her about possible internships she was looking at, asking my advice about them, asking if the Denver Post had one I could maybe help her out with.

Jessica was a blogger and worked as an intern for a local radio station. She came to a lot of Avalanche games, gathering sound from players after games and things like that. She was a regular part of the media crew that were at a lot of games.

(cont.)

[Joe Gahona]

It is very tragic.

Now onto the movie. I will not spoil it for anyone.

The film is clucky is certain spots. Is it as good at TDK? No. But, it doesn't have to be.

It is a very burtal emotional film. Bale & Cain give A+ performances.

Nolan in my opinon has given a perfect trilogy.

Is it as good as Batman Begins? If not, I won't bother until it hits USA Network.

[Mehm]

lesgoblue...I'm so very sorry to hear about the loss of your friend...she seemed like a fantastic young lady...

I know this is kind of off topic in regards to the tragedy and my apologies if its inappropriate, but am I the only one who is dumbfounded that there were so many babies and small children in a midnight showing of a violent R rated movie? I just don't get it. Is a movie really that friggin important? And if it is, maybe you should rethink having kids. Stay home and rent a damn DVD and think about your kids, not to mention the other movie goers who don't want to hear your brats crying through the whole movie.

[DaYooperASBDT]

LGB - my heart and prayers go out to you and Jessica's loved ones. This is so heartbreaking.

[Motor City Sonics]

**** NO ! Don't give the bastard the satisfaction. Live your lives and don't give in to the fear that this guy wants to create.

I hope that didn't come off as cold - because that was not the intention. I just simply won't re-route my life because of nut jobs like this - because there is very little you can do to stop this kind of thing (he had no criminal history) and I am just not gonna live my life in fear. I plan to go see this movie in IMAX sometime next week (I am not even trying this weekend). That was my plan all along - to not see this the opening weekend, but during the week. I will not change my plan one iota because of this twisted jerk. My heart goes out to the victims and the people who will be forever traumatized from simply going to the movies to see something they were excited about. Colorado has the death penalty. I am sure they'll use it here.

[Vonlenska]

lesgoblue...I'm so very sorry to hear about the loss of your friend...she seemed like a fantastic young lady...

I know this is kind of off topic in regards to the tragedy and my apologies if its inappropriate, but am I the only one who is dumbfounded that there were so many babies and small children in a midnight showing of a violent R rated movie? I just don't get it. Is a movie really that friggin important? And if it is, maybe you should rethink having kids. Stay home and rent a damn DVD and think about your kids, not to mention the other movie goers who don't want to hear your brats crying through the whole movie.

I agree but I'm pretty sure it's PG-13. No way would they risk an R

[mtutiger]

I saw it last night... I know I'll be in the minority here, but I actually thought it was better than The Dark Night

[Brian]

Is it as good as Batman Begins? If not, I won't bother until it hits USA Network.

It sounds like we both really like Batman Begins. I say it's right on par with that. The Dark Knight while a good film was overshadowed by Ledger's performance which was great.

[chasfh]

Colorado has the death penalty. I am sure they'll use it here.

I'm not so sure it will be. Nobody does something like this if not mentally ill. So using the death penalty here would not act to deter this kind of thing in the future, because mentally ill people don't weigh consequences before they act.

[Motor City Sonics]

I'm not so sure it will be. Nobody does something like this if not mentally ill. So using the death penalty here would not act to deter this kind of thing in the future, because mentally ill people don't weigh consequences before they act.

Here's the thing about that - you could almost make an argument that anyone that kills someone else for no real reason has some kind of mental defect.


But this bastard planned out every detail well in advance ..... this wasn't some spur of the moment mental break or even a crime of passion. This was planned and calculated. He's gonna fry for this.

[lordstanley]

With a 6-year old daughter myself, this victim story in particular hits home as well.

Veronica Moser will always be six years old.

The "vibrant" little girl, who was bragging four days ago about learning how to swim, was one of the 12 people who died in the Aurora theater shooting Friday, said her great aunt Annie Dalton.

"It's a nightmare right now," said Dalton.

Ashley Moser, Veronica's mother, remains in critical condition at Aurora Medical Center. The 25-year-old was shot in the neck, and doctors are unable to remove the bullet. Moser also suffered a gunshot wound in the abdomen. She passes in and out of consciousness, Dalton said, and does not yet know that her daughter has died.

Doctors said that Moser, who was recently accepted to medical school, will hopefully recover with some use of her hands, Dalton said.

Read more: Aurora theater shooting: Stories of victims killed emerge - The Denver Post Stories of victims killed emerge - The Denver Post

Think of just how a little while ago the family must have felt such joy at the two milestones I bolded.

[chasfh]

Here's the thing about that - you could almost make an argument that anyone that kills someone else for no real reason has some kind of mental defect.


But this bastard planned out every detail well in advance ..... this wasn't some spur of the moment mental break or even a crime of passion. This was planned and calculated. He's gonna fry for this.

You know that just because he planned it doesn't mean he's not mentally ill. Mental illness is not solely about lack of impulse control. In this case, it's probably the inability to correctly process the consequences of the thing the actor wanted to do.

You may be right in that he fries. If he's mentally ill -- and I'll bet he is based on the circumstances of his capture -- then he shouldn't, and if they determine he's mentally ill yet fry him anyway, then I think the state would be behaving wrongly.

[sinister porpoise]

I'm not so sure it will be. Nobody does something like this if not mentally ill. So using the death penalty here would not act to deter this kind of thing in the future, because mentally ill people don't weigh consequences before they act.

Criminal insanity usually means the defendant did not understand what they were doing and/or were incapable of recognizing its wrongness.

From what little I know the defendant would not appear to be criminally insane but rather he deliberately planned and undertook a terrorist attack for which he will be executed.

[Bubba]

Saw the movie at 12:01 on Friday morning. I loved the movie! Had a blast... I live in Denver and went to the theater about 2 miles from my house. I got home after dropping off my neighbor, and found out about the shooting. If this theater didn't pop up a few years ago, I would have ended up going to the one where this horrific tragedy happened. I went up and kissed my kids and said a prayer with my family at dinner last night thanking god that it wasn't my theater that this happened. I keep thinking about all of my students that have lost parents at a young age and how hard it is on those kids, even when they are in middle school. It chokes me up to think of taking my relationship with my kids away from them.

I love eating dinner as a family and it really bothers me that a lot of families around here couldn't do that last night, tonight or ever again. I live one mile from Aurora and you can't escape talking about it. It's just horrific and it's all that's on TV. I am trying to figure out what I can do to help out. It's so horrible and between this and the wildfires, CO needs a break. It's like that game when you were a kid and you scream Mercy... i feel like that's what this place needs! Mercy!

[Mehm]

I agree but I'm pretty sure it's PG-13. No way would they risk an R

I stand corrected...not a big movie person...but clearly not a movie for small children...It just makes it even more upsetting hearing that a 6 year old was one of the victims...I was reading on another board with all these parents trying to justify going to a movie with their kids...well, they couldn't find a sitter, or it's expensive and they "deserve" to have time to themselves or how it's some sort of life lesson to teach their children how to behave...at a midnight movie???...I see the same things when I go to the Tigers or Wings games...small children and infants in the sweltering heat at the ball games...out late and in all the noise at the hockey games...and I can't begin fathom what these parents are thinking...

[FarFromDetroit]

I saw this on opening night. Good movie. I thought it started off great and ended better than any part of the series, but the middle was just above average IMO. The music is incredible yet again. Perfect way to end the series.

Now we get to wait for Man of Steel (directed by Zach Snyder and produced by Christopher Nolan)!