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Last summer I took that photo from the spot marked on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial where he gave his speech. Pretty cool to look out over that and imagine the visual.
I was actually going to search for a version of the speech he made on the day he died, in which he was there in support of some workers.
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Not MLK but an interesting little civil rights discussion from 1963.
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Last summer I took that photo from the spot marked on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial where he gave his speech. Pretty cool to look out over that and imagine the visual.
....maybe something like this from another great American....
Forrest Gump, 2004
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I don't know if Huey will back me up on this or not, but I'm going to say it anyway.
When I was a kid and MLK was doing his marches - as I recall, most people HATED MLK!
My parents HATED MLK. Of course, I highly doubt whether they were really listening to what he was saying at the time. This country was loaded with racial prejudice. How sad!!
My parents seemed to believe that King's marches were the cause of rioting elsewhere and for the hate going on in the streets. This is just how I remember things in the 60s.
Now I was a little white boy growing up in suburban America - think Wonder Years! I'm Kevin Arnold. I don't think that MLK got his just due at the time he was making his speeches. I think he didn't get the respect until long after his death.
I only wish and pray that Americans, white and black, could take a long long listen at what King was really saying and start fulfilling that dream. It seems to me people are too eager to idolize King yet not actually enact the things King spoke about. That being the case, it seems that much of King's work is going to waste.
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Racism exists among both whites and blacks as well. There's plenty of work left to be done.
I have much more to say but it's better said in the Political forum.
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Billee, how correct you are. My town was 100% segregated with no thoughts of change.
That was pretty true in Boston, as well, because of something called de facto segregation.
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When I was in 3rd grade they decide to bus blacks from one side of town over to my elementary school. Needless to say, the summer between 3rd and 4th grades my parents packed up and moved to the suburbs.
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A day to honor Reverend Doctor King. A day to see how far we've come. A day to see how far we have yet to travel.
Well said my friend!
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I was actually going to search for a version of the speech he made on the day he died, in which he was there in support of some workers.
The speech was actually made the night before he died and Dr. King was in Memphis to support striking sanitation workers. The popular name of the speech he gave that night is "I've Been To The Mountaintop". Although many of his speeches send shivers down my spine, this one in particular still moves me to tears.
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"Our lives begin to end the moment we become silent about things that matter" Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
RIP Ernie, you are always MY Tiger!
The speech was actually made the night before he died and Dr. King was in Memphis to support striking sanitation workers. The popular name of the speech he gave that night is "I've Been To The Mountaintop". Although many of his speeches send shivers down my spine, this one in particular still moves me to tears.
You're right-thanks. I did find a version of the speech. When I was listening to it it occurred to me that he spoke almost as if he knew he didn't have much time left to live. Even without that feeling his words would have moved me, knowing it made it all the more compelling.
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I don't know if Huey will back me up on this or not, but I'm going to say it anyway.
When I was a kid and MLK was doing his marches - as I recall, most people HATED MLK!
My parents HATED MLK. Of course, I highly doubt whether they were really listening to what he was saying at the time. This country was loaded with racial prejudice. How sad!!
My parents seemed to believe that King's marches were the cause of rioting elsewhere and for the hate going on in the streets. This is just how I remember things in the 60s.
Now I was a little white boy growing up in suburban America - think Wonder Years! I'm Kevin Arnold. I don't think that MLK got his just due at the time he was making his speeches. I think he didn't get the respect until long after his death.
I only wish and pray that Americans, white and black, could take a long long listen at what King was really saying and start fulfilling that dream. It seems to me people are too eager to idolize King yet not actually enact the things King spoke about. That being the case, it seems that much of King's work is going to waste.
Well said!
However, most of what Dr. King had to say then, is just as relevant today. He felt that Racism, Poverty and Militarism were the "giant triplets" that had to be overcome for all American people to be truly free. Many forget that Dr. King was among the first prominent figures to speak out against the Vietnam War. In doing so, he faced great criticism from not only the "establishment", but also from many within the civil rights movement itself. At the time he made his first comments about the wrongness of the war in Vietnam, fully 73% of the American people felt he was wrong to speak out against the war.
Dr, King was also one of the first prominent members of the civil rights movement to realize that poverty, even more than segregation, threatened loss of freedom. Sadly, much of his work in that area not only fell by the wayside, we've actually seen even greater disparities develop in the intervening years since his death, between the haves and have-nots.
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He did seem to have a strange, almost fearful look in his eyes during that speech.
It's always really struck me. He must have received death threats constantly though, not just on that occasion.
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He did seem to have a strange, almost fearful look in his eyes during that speech.
It's always really struck me. He must have received death threats constantly though, not just on that occasion.
Not only death threats, but the threat of the United State government which was wiretapping his phones, following his every move, acquiring information on Dr. King, sullying his name and attempting to ruin his life by distortion, manipulation and propaganda the way they eventually did with the BPP. When the government and white supremacists are after you, I could only imagine the way he had to watch his every move.
I don't know if Huey will back me up on this or not, but I'm going to say it anyway.
When I was a kid and MLK was doing his marches - as I recall, most people HATED MLK!
My parents HATED MLK. Of course, I highly doubt whether they were really listening to what he was saying at the time. This country was loaded with racial prejudice. How sad!!
My parents seemed to believe that King's marches were the cause of rioting elsewhere and for the hate going on in the streets. This is just how I remember things in the 60s.
Now I was a little white boy growing up in suburban America - think Wonder Years! I'm Kevin Arnold. I don't think that MLK got his just due at the time he was making his speeches. I think he didn't get the respect until long after his death.
I only wish and pray that Americans, white and black, could take a long long listen at what King was really saying and start fulfilling that dream. It seems to me people are too eager to idolize King yet not actually enact the things King spoke about. That being the case, it seems that much of King's work is going to waste.
Well said. Dr. King's dream was not a post racial society in which we are too afraid to talk about race and a society in which we neglect the poor. His dream was that of love for your neighbor and love for a stranger- respect for all regardless of the work they do, or the work they are unable to find. A society in which he do not spend our money on bombs, tanks and weapons- but on schools, health care facilities and aid for the poor and sick. Sadly, we are not that point in this country.
He did seem to have a strange, almost fearful look in his eyes during that speech.
It's always really struck me. He must have received death threats constantly though, not just on that occasion.
I remember reading somewhere that MLK knew he was going to be assassinated. He just didn't know when or where it would happen. That's a heavy burden to carry around.
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I don't know if Huey will back me up on this or not, but I'm going to say it anyway.
When I was a kid and MLK was doing his marches - as I recall, most people HATED MLK!
My parents HATED MLK. Of course, I highly doubt whether they were really listening to what he was saying at the time. This country was loaded with racial prejudice. How sad!!
My parents seemed to believe that King's marches were the cause of rioting elsewhere and for the hate going on in the streets. This is just how I remember things in the 60s.
Now I was a little white boy growing up in suburban America - think Wonder Years! I'm Kevin Arnold. I don't think that MLK got his just due at the time he was making his speeches. I think he didn't get the respect until long after his death.
I only wish and pray that Americans, white and black, could take a long long listen at what King was really saying and start fulfilling that dream. It seems to me people are too eager to idolize King yet not actually enact the things King spoke about. That being the case, it seems that much of King's work is going to waste.
Very well put, Billee. I've been watching some excerpts of his speeches today, and while I've always respected the man, I want to read his works now. I want to read his message, and read what he really had to say. I think I'm gonna go on Amazon and purchase a few of his books.
Not only death threats, but the threat of the United State government which was wiretapping his phones, following his every move, acquiring information on Dr. King, sullying his name and attempting to ruin his life by distortion, manipulation and propaganda the way they eventually did with the BPP. When the government and white supremacists are after you, I could only imagine the way he had to watch his every move.
Good point. J. Edgar Hoover believed that Dr. King was too friendly with and influenced by certain known Communists (which King denied) - and you did not want to be on the wrong side of J. Edgar Hoover, he could make your life miserable I'm sure.
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I remember reading somewhere that MLK knew he was going to be assassinated. He just didn't know when or where it would happen. That's a heavy burden to carry around.
He actually said after President Kennedy was assassinated that if they could kill a sitting President, he wouldn't live to see 40. He was assassinated not quite 3 months after his 39th birthday.
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Very well put, Billee. I've been watching some excerpts of his speeches today, and while I've always respected the man, I want to read his works now. I want to read his message, and read what he really had to say. I think I'm gonna go on Amazon and purchase a few of his books.
I can personally recommend Dr. King's autobiography, it is a very powerful read. Also "The Measure Of A Man" is a good book to read as well. 3 Books that were written about Dr, King and America of his time are:
"Parting The Waters: America in the King Years 1954-1963"
"Pillar of Fire: America in the King Years 1963-1965"
"At Canaan's Edge: America in the King Years 1965-1968"
All by Taylor Branch and the trilogy puts much of what happened during that time span into perspective. Very powerful stuff.
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"Our lives begin to end the moment we become silent about things that matter" Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
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I had put off picking up Taylor Branch's three-volume biography of Martin Luther King for a long time—the length was just too daunting. But I finally started the first in the series, "Parting the Waters," over the holidays and was absolutely bowled over by it. It's comprehensive, but never slow and, of course, describes incredibly moving events. We can forget how much of the work of the civil rights movement took place under physical threat. Indeed, if you were going to do a word cloud of "Parting," the word "dynamite" would show up pretty prominently. When he was still in Montgomery at the time of the bus boycott, King had a bad feeling when he was sleeping at the parsonage one night, got out of bed, told his friend who was on night duty staying with him, "I think we better leave here tonight." Hours later, a bomb exploded across the street and twelve sticks of dynamite were discovered on the front porch of the parsonage. On it goes, with brave people putting their bodies and lives on the line for justice in unbelievably trying circumstances (a couple of registrars themselves, in their offices, beat up people trying to register to vote). Branch has a wonderful account of MLK's famous speech at the March on Washington. King called one of the great audibles of all time at the podium, skipping over this clunky line he had written near the end of his speech: "And so today, let us go back to our communities as members of the international association for the advancement of creative dissatisfaction." Instead, he started to improvise and preach, and we know what happened next. JFK, listening to him for the first time, commented, "He's damn good." The same must be said of these books, an enduring contribution to American history.
Absolutely. When I think American heroes I think MLK, not the "founding fathers".
He delivered for everyone what the founding fathers promised. Under just as dangerous of circumstances. Or moreso.
Unquestionably he should be considered in the same breath with the founders of this nation.
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I can personally recommend Dr. King's autobiography, it is a very powerful read. Also "The Measure Of A Man" is a good book to read as well. 3 Books that were written about Dr, King and America of his time are:
"Parting The Waters: America in the King Years 1954-1963"
"Pillar of Fire: America in the King Years 1963-1965"
"At Canaan's Edge: America in the King Years 1965-1968"
All by Taylor Branch and the trilogy puts much of what happened during that time span into perspective. Very powerful stuff.
I'll definitely look into it. I just bought "Strength To Love", a collection of his sermons that he prepared over the years.
I've seen a lot of stuff on James Earl Ray where he may not have been King's killer.
I find it interesting.
The TV judge apparently was involved in the Ray case. I watched a show late last night that was showing either trial of evidenciary procedures with him. In an on camera interview he said that the rifle recovered could have fired the round that killed King. that an average shooter could have made the 70+ yd. shot. But the round recovered that struck King would have been fired from a distance in excess of 70 yds based on its structure and deformation. No idea what channel I was on and our online program only goes back two hours.
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Tennessee appeals court removes judge from James Earl Ray case.(Law & Justice)(Brief Article)
| March 30, 1998 |
A Memphis judge who had given James Earl Ray hope of getting a retrial in the assassination of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was recently taken off the case for appearing to be biased toward Ray.
Judge Joe Brown of the Criminal Court in Memphis................
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I've seen a lot of stuff on James Earl Ray where he may not have been King's killer.
I find it interesting.
Well, you have to ask yourself these questions about Ray:
How did an eighth grade dropout/criminal who had recently escaped from a Missouri prison not only end up assassinating Dr. King, but when captured in London, England while trying to leave the UK, he was in possession of 2 passports, none of which was in his real name. How did a man who obviously had no material resources (after all he had only escaped from prison a few months before) not only end up being able to travel from the US to the UK, but have money to purchase a weapon and then forged documents? Also, how was this man who apparently was stupid enough to not only leave the rifle he committed the assassination with behind, complete with incriminating fingerprints, but also a personal radio of his that had his prison I.D. number engraved upon it, smart enough to evade an international manhunt for over 2 months?
Interesting indeed! Some might call it fantastical!
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