BING--New Microsoft Search Engine

[Auburndale Ray]

Microsoft has launched a new search engine...
Give it a try...
What do you think???

http://www.bing.com/

[Mark The Shark]

It doesn't seem to different for every other search engine. I do like how you can see a larger example of the page you're about to visit than with google.

[RedRamage]

I'm sticking with Goodsearch as my primary search engine right now. I do find that sometimes when I can't find what I need with Goodsearch, google might have it. But I'll start with Goodsearch cause each search I do gives a penny to my kids school.

[Antrat]

I'll wait for the Bing toolbar.

[djhutch]

Ahhhh, I see you've got the machine that goes BING!

[Sparks4Ever]

It seems to be fast and gives good search results. Integrates fairly well with their other tools (maps and such), but I like how google integrates better.

Still a huge improvement over their previous search site (live.com I think), and compares favorably with google. I don't see the killer feature that will get google users to switch to it, but at least it's competitive.

[redshark63]

It beats the Kwame search engine.

[BingAaron]

Hey guys - Here's something you Detroit sports fans will find cool about Bing... you can search for professional Detroit sports teams and the first result back will be a list of the last games played and then a schedule of upcoming games. Also, if you search for a player, you'll get an instant answer of stats and good stuff like that. Here's a link to when I searched "Detroit Red Wings":
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Detroit...&go=&form=QBRE

Originally Posted by Antrat

I'll wait for the Bing toolbar.

You can find the Bing toolbar for Firefox here:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10434

For Internet Explorer, you should be able to get it with a quick update, and if you have IE8 you can get this cool add on to your search bar:
http://www.ieaddons.com/en/details/s...quee=hm_lg_790

Hope this helps!

Aaron
Bing Outreach Team

[Blue Square Thing]

Originally Posted by BingAaron

Hey guys - Here's something you Detroit sports fans will find cool about Bing... you can search for professional Detroit sports teams and the first result back will be a list of the last games played and then a schedule of upcoming games.

Well, with the best will in the world that's just plain wrong!

I followed your search link and I got:



Then I googled the same search term and got:



I'd suggest you might want to be clear about what you actually get when you search! From my gut reaction, comparing just these two searches, I get a lot more commercialised links - i.e. ones trying to sell me something - from your own search engine than I do from google. I also get the score from the last game on google and not on your own - I didn't know the score fwiw, but this told me it.

I would agree that I might possibly search wanting to know the score of a game or the schedule. I doubt it though - I go to Yahoo or wherever to get that information because I know I can get it quickly and easily. I imagine most sports fans would probably think the same thing.

Now, this thread has plenty of stuff that looks to me as if it's spam on it already. So if anyone's going to make claims for the quality of specific search engine can I suggest they make sure they actually work rather than being a load of old bollocks next time? :-)

[Blue Square Thing]

Originally Posted by Sparks4Ever

Still a huge improvement over their previous search site (live.com I think), and compares favorably with google. I don't see the killer feature that will get google users to switch to it, but at least it's competitive.

Most likely it'll find it's way onto platforms in an integrated way in an attempt to get people to do so. Kids at school sometimes use ms searches because they type a search term into the address bar and that goes to some kind of ms search. It's more ignorance than anything...

[MichiganFan1717]

Originally Posted by Blue Square Thing

Well, with the best will in the world that's just plain wrong!

I'm too lazy to go through and take a screen cap, but when I followed his link I got what he described. Maybe it has something to do with location? IDK, is it possible that it could treat your search differently given you are searching from the UK? Thats the only explanation I can come up with off the top of my head as to why it would be different for us.

[MotownWebGuy]

Originally Posted by MichiganFan1717

I'm too lazy to go through and take a screen cap, but when I followed his link I got what he described. Maybe it has something to do with location? IDK, is it possible that it could treat your search differently given you are searching from the UK? Thats the only explanation I can come up with off the top of my head as to why it would be different for us.

I agree... I got the same thing that BingAaron described, so perhaps your location in the UK is playing a role in your search results.

[Blue Square Thing]

Originally Posted by MichiganFan1717

I'm too lazy to go through and take a screen cap, but when I followed his link I got what he described. Maybe it has something to do with location? IDK, is it possible that it could treat your search differently given you are searching from the UK? Thats the only explanation I can come up with off the top of my head as to why it would be different for us.

In which case what he describes as functionality works for 4% of the global population? Maybe 5% if you throw Canadians in.

That's - given that I specifically hadn't clicked the Pages from the UK option - pretty poor to be honest. Either that or it makes assumptions based on nationality - although I suppose the web being amerocentric shouldn't suprise me anymore. ;-)

[djhutch]

Name: BingAaron
Location: Redmond
Occupation: Microsoft Lackey?

[MotownWebGuy]

Originally Posted by djhutch

Name: BingAaron
Location: Redmond
Occupation: Microsoft Lackey?

Uh, yeah...

Originally Posted by BingAaron

Aaron
Bing Outreach Team

He's just keeping tabs on all the Bing chatter going on throughout the 'net and answering questions or providing further insight into this new product/service. The new way of doing business!

[djhutch]

Originally Posted by MotownWebGuy

Uh, yeah...



He's just keeping tabs on all the Bing chatter going on throughout the 'net and answering questions or providing further insight into this new product/service. The new way of doing business!

I didn't even see his tag at the bottom. Color me embarrassed.

[Biff Mayhem]

Originally Posted by RedRamage

I'm sticking with Goodsearch as my primary search engine right now. I do find that sometimes when I can't find what I need with Goodsearch, google might have it. But I'll start with Goodsearch cause each search I do gives a penny to my kids school.

I have been using Goodsearch so that it will raise money for the Harbor Humane Society but unfortunately the search engine only produces proper results about half the time. Google still rules the search engine world.

[Corky]

Is the past tense of Bing "Bung?"

[Auburndale Ray]

[Greenwit]

The pipe is a great pointing device. (But why he's pointing straight up is unknown.) Woulda been cool for them to use Bing's image as a promo tool.

[lordstanley]

Originally Posted by Blue Square Thing

In which case what he describes as functionality works for 4% of the global population? Maybe 5% if you throw Canadians in.

That's - given that I specifically hadn't clicked the Pages from the UK option - pretty poor to be honest. Either that or it makes assumptions based on nationality - although I suppose the web being amerocentric shouldn't suprise me anymore. ;-)

Works in Canada as BingAaron described it too. So it works for probably 90% of the people on the messageboard to which BingAaron posted. And just because he comes onto a Detroit sports message board with a userbase that is probably 90% American or Canadian and cites that advantage doesn't mean Bing is going around touting it as key functionality (nor should they, because it's not that big of a positive; as another poster noted, we can just go to Yahoo or ESPN for scores). You could try typing in the name of a Premier League team into Bing and see if you get back what he describes - I have no idea if it does or not.

[RedRamage]

Originally Posted by Blue Square Thing

In which case what he describes as functionality works for 4% of the global population? Maybe 5% if you throw Canadians in.

Well, true, but it's the most important 4%!

Honestly, I think it's pretty safe to assume that the majority of participates in a Detroit Sports fan site are going to be US based. I think the audience here would see the correct functionality about 99% of the time.

[Auburndale Ray]

I just read the article from Firefox that their updated version, which is coming in a few weeks, will be TWICE as fast as the current version...

I almost can't believe that...

Show Us Your Speed! :: The Mozilla Blog

[Greenwit]

I'm almost tempted to DL it.....I've had good luck with the betas. In fact I'd been using the latest FF beta until I had to reinstall my OS not too long ago.

Firefox web browser | Help us test the latest beta

[Blue Square Thing]

Originally Posted by RedRamage

Honestly, I think it's pretty safe to assume that the majority of participates in a Detroit Sports fan site are going to be US based. I think the audience here would see the correct functionality about 99% of the time.

Unfortunatly the interwebz don't have borders like that though do they?

Perhaps if I search for something like shoe shops then it's useful to differentiate as to where I live (which is why there's the handy "just in the UK" button). What I don't understand is why Bing should differentiate automatically at all - let alone when I'm using a search term like the one I used - if I search for Detroit Red Wings then it's probably not all that relevant where I'm searching from is it?

Even now when I redo the search and use google.co.uk rather than .com I get the same effect - and surely that's less likely that Google will throw that up as I'm already away from .com whereas Bing is using .com?

Fwiw I also find that the web options bit at the top of the google search that allows me to quickly filter out stuff is prolly more useful than having the related links there.

I also find that if I lose the i from Detroit that Google at least gives me the initial option of assuming I mean Detrot but the chance to go to Detroit, whereas Bing assumes I'm stupid first (which is possible, although not necessarily likely given that people search for all sorts of stuff) but allows me to revert to Detrot if I really, really want to.

The advanced search is also a *lot* better at the minute in google.

Once you start searching for quite complex phrases (I tried: The Colour out of space) I'd also tend to think the google search algorithms are doing a better job for sure just now.

But it's shruggable. I'd rather google knew what I searched for than microsoft anyways. Unless it does a google (or does an alta vista to google) then it's no big deal.

[BingAaron]

Originally Posted by Blue Square Thing

Well, with the best will in the world that's just plain wrong!

Bing has been released all over the world, but since it is new, we have rolled out some features in some countries and not in others. Eventually, the features will be accessible to everyone, it's just a process.

If you would like to see the feature I was talking about, you will need to change your settings in Bing to make it think you are in the US. If you go to Bing, from there you should be able to see your country displayed in the upper right. Click on it. You will be taken to a list of countries and from there you can click on the United States.

Hope this helps!

Aaron
Bing Outreach Team

[ToledoTigerFan]

What happens if one searches for Bing Crosby or Dave Bing on Bing?

[BingAaron]

Originally Posted by ToledoTigerFan

What happens if one searches for Bing Crosby or Dave Bing on Bing?

Bing Crosby: Bing Crosby - Bing
Dave Bing: Dave Bing - Bing

Check out all the cool filtering features to the left too :)

Oh yeah, we also made sure to write a letter to the owner of the Bing Blog: Bing Community

[Chopper]

Google/Firefox ftw!!! Microsoft will screw this up somehow, someway eventually. Sorry Bing guy but I just don't like your employer. When your software giant made it next to impossible to print a pdf document with Vista that was the last straw. When it's time to reinstall the OS on my laptop it will be Linux.

Even though I don't like MS, good luck with Bing. It's just too bad it's basically a copy of what Google can do for the most part. Don't MS software designers have original ideas anymore?

[Auburndale Ray]

Is Google running scared???

Google is so rattled by the introduction of Microsoft's revamped search engine Bing that it's pulling all the stops out to offer new features in its own engine.

The unlikely tale was reported in the New York Post, in an article which claims that Sergey Brin, one of the co-founders of Google, has injected a note of urgency by putting together engineers to work on a retaliatory "skunk farm".

And, the same tale goes, Brin and a team of engineers are looking closely at Bing to see the differences between its closely guarded algorithms and Microsoft's.

Bing has little chance, however, of toppling Google from its search summit. Microsoft has tried, tried and tried again to topple the search giant.

Microsoft came late to the Internet ball in any case - it originally didn't think the Internet would be an important feature for end users, so lagged behind pure play net companies like Netscape for quite some time.

It's pretty clear that Google is just not going to go away, and that means Microsoft will stoically soldier on attempting to gain market share from the search monopolist.

TG Daily (c) - Microsoft's Bing strikes fear into Google founders

[ToledoTigerFan]

Just an observation....Google has become a generic word for Internet search just like Band-Aid became generic for bandage. "Google it" means Internet search even if one uses another search engine and "put a Band-Aid on that scratch" means "bandage that cut" even if one uses another branded bandage.

If Google didn't tie up my computer, I'd still be using it exclusively. I had to switch to Yahoo because of what Google does to my computer when I pull up its page.

[Auburndale Ray]

This one is neat...
It allows you to instantly compare Bing and Google Search Engines...

Bing vs. Google

You can easily tell which search engine is best...
Because both show up on the same page for you to compare...
when you click on the above link...

Give it a try...

Which one is best for you????

[djhutch]

Originally Posted by Auburndale Ray

This one is neat...
It allows you to instantly compare Bing and Google Search Engines...

Bing vs. Google

You can easily tell which search engine is best...
Because both show up on the same page for you to compare...
when you click on the above link...

Give it a try...

Which one is best for you????

Very cool site. Bing looks really nice, but I kinda like that Google puts pics right on the results page.

[DrWho17]

Microsoft droids invading a message forum. I can't believe how Microsoft just ripped the look and feel of google's results page and pawns this thing off as original (using the failed live engine on the backend).

Best advice I can give someone, use a machine without M$ windows and no M$ apps for a month, see if you come back. You will have a whole new impression of computers if you use something more polished like MacOSX, I use Linux myself, but for casual users MacOSX would seem like a dream if your computing experience has been with Windows alone.

[djhutch]

Originally Posted by DrWho17

Microsoft droids invading a message forum. I can't believe how Microsoft just ripped the look and feel of google's results page and pawns this thing off as original (using the failed live engine on the backend).

Best advice I can give someone, use a machine without M$ windows and no M$ apps for a month, see if you come back. You will have a whole new impression of computers if you use something more polished like MacOSX, I use Linux myself, but for casual users MacOSX would seem like a dream if your computing experience has been with Windows alone.

I really don't get the hatred for Microsoft.

[DrWho17]

Originally Posted by djhutch

I really don't get the hatred for Microsoft.

Well, I just think of how much further along technology/computers could be if it weren't for Microsoft stifling innovation, and crushing competitors via their operating system monopoly, and willingness to wield that against partners.

If you are an innovative PC company, and Microsoft wants to "Partner" with you, it means they want access to your technology so they can copy it, and come out with their own version, and they will also bundle it with OEM copies of their operating system as to put your own version out of business. Anti-competitive practices utilized over and over by this company are why the "hatred" exist for this company. Microsoft has even been known to issue updates to their Operating system which render competitors products inoperable.

Want to play a game, name a Microsoft technology, and I will tell you where they 1) forced the company to sell them the tech 2) Partnered with a company and came out with a work-alike product to compete with the "partners", 3) Outright copied the tech. I think most people would be shocked at the minimal amount of actual technology this company has actually developed, and how flawed it actually is.

http://sillydog.org/msbad.php
http://www.mcmillan.cx/innovation.html
http://www.dwheeler.com/innovation/microsoft.html

[Blue Square Thing]

Originally Posted by djhutch

I really don't get the hatred for Microsoft.

They treat me like an idiot and expect me to pay shed loads to use their stuff.

And it's anti-geek in so many ways.

[Auburndale Ray]

Originally Posted by Blue Square Thing

They treat me like an idiot.

Imagine that...