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    Quote Originally Posted by KleShreen View Post
    Excuse me John, but your above post has an awfully "factual" tone to it. Can you please expand on your thoughts on fluid dynamics within a shot glass?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
    It's like having UncleSam back...
    What, are you getting too sensitive to my sarcastic posts? I know, I know, there I go assuming things and talking out of my *** again. I got it.

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    You're acting like a little kid and now even dragging it into other threads. Relax dude, take a few deep breaths.
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    You guys cut it out now or I'm going to tell my mom about this....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
    You're acting like a little kid and now even dragging it into other threads. Relax dude, take a few deep breaths.
    Why? I'm sitting here laughing about it. Maybe you should too. Heed your own advice and stop being an uptight prick, if we are going to start getting in to name calling like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelton View Post
    I guess we differ on the level of reasoning necessary to support an opinion on matters such as this. I think that reasoning is plenty. Can you think of a reason why it hasn't happened yet?
    Sure - anyone who has dealt with the US INS will tell you that time frames for getting residency and visa documents are very fluid. From personal experience (my wife is not a US citizen), It took a little over 3 years for my wife to get her green card, and at the time she filed it was expected to take 6 months. We had all of the appropriate paperwork, we had an immigration lawyer working with us, all the i's were dotted, t's were crossed. It just took really long for everything to get processed, and no explanation was ever given. While it was ongoing, all I ever heard was it could come tomorrow, and eventually it did.

    I have no clue how it is in the DR, but it wouldn't surprise me if they are less expedient / consistent with their time to act than the US (which is frightening, if true, actually).

    Quote Originally Posted by Shelton View Post
    He defected over the summer. In November it was widely reported that it would happen very soon. Week after week went by, and the estimate continued to be soon. No reasons were given for it to continue to be pushed back. Now we have reports that he hasn't even submitted the paperwork on something that it is reported to take months after submission. What is the reason for that? Are they out of pens?
    When the comment was originally made, this hadn't come to light. Myself, I am skeptical of the claim as reported, simply because the guy defected from Cuba to DR to become a MLB player. I cannot imagine he simply hasn't filled out paperwork. Seems like he went through an awful lot to not finish the process over something that requires as little effort as being reported. I think it far more likely that there is some documentation missing (e.g. can't get an offical copy his birth certificate, which constitutes part of the submission) or someone is jerking him around at the government office than the possibility that he simply didn't fill out a form.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shelton View Post
    No one in the media covering this story has explained why it is taking so long other than "it takes time." if that is the case, you would think that they would be more aggressive in submitting the necessary paperwork.
    If forced to guess, I'd guess no one is saying much more because there really isn't much to report other than he is waiting on a government agency or agencies. That seems like the most likely explanation to me.

    I also have no idea how aggressively he filed paperwork, but I'd guess he has been aggressive rather than passive because it is the whole reason for his move. In my experience, people who leave their homeland to ply their trade in a foreign land tend to be ambitious more often than not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shelton View Post
    It could very well be that everything is proceeding as expected, but it could also be a case where something is wrong.
    Never argued otherwise. I simply argued the support for the offered opinion (e.g. that there is no other explanation) was not stong / overstated.
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    I just have one question for you Biggs.... is your wife on PED's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsallgood8989 View Post
    I just have one question for you Biggs.... is your wife on PED's?
    No, just heroin.

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    I just read page 27-29 and I want 14 minutes and 12 seconds back.

    A few pages that won't be entering the MTS HOF anytime soon.

    That being said, one thing that I've always been impressed with about Dombrowski is his ability to keep negotiations relatively quiet from the press. Some GMs seem to like to bluff or show their cards, but Dombrowski not so much...
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    Safe to say we can close this thread now.
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    Bye bye Cespedes
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    hey who knows there might still be money in the bank for him :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger337 View Post
    It's me too! There are lots of places you can have a casual inane discussion about sports with friends. I come here for a more intelligent in depth discussion about baseball with people who know a lot about the game.
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    I would not be shocked to see Cespedes sign with us....
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsallgood8989 View Post
    I would not be shocked to see Cespedes sign with us....
    I would. I think we used all our juice on Fielder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamakzie View Post
    I would. I think we used all our juice on Fielder.
    I feel a trade coming on.....no metrics to support that "feeling" merely intuition. And no, we will not be trading Miggy!! Maybe Delmon and/or Austin and a couple of pitching prospects somewhere for more pitching and/or other pieces?
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    Yup... sounds like the not even filing paperwork rumor was nonsense... which is why nobody besides that one guy reported it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
    Yup... sounds like the not even filing paperwork rumor was nonsense... which is why nobody besides that one guy reported it.
    Fair enough!
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    Why not stay in on the bidding for Cespedes? Who knows what he will eventually sign for. I think the Marlins have less money than people think, and he probably won't be ready for opening day, making him useless for opening their stadium.

    Bottom line is that beyond next year, we don't really have anyone good to play LF, nor is there really anyone in the pipeline.

    We're back to a $130MM payroll again, like before, but we're not allowed to spend all this extra money on the draft, either. Just funnel all that draft money to Cespedes and call it an offseason. Our pitching is going to be fine for a while.

    Provided we get him at a reasonable price, it's still worth it to be in on him.
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    Also, we lose Inge and Young's salary next year, which equals about what Cespedes would make...perhaps more. I'm sure this will get eaten up by arbitration raises for everyone, but I don't think we should be for sure out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
    Yup... sounds like the not even filing paperwork rumor was nonsense... which is why nobody besides that one guy reported it.
    I still think something is fishy here.

    I agree with Couga on this one.
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    Hmmmmmm.....
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    Yeah...the timing of this is really fishy. (Not in the KleShreen sense, though.)

    Something's up.
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    Well, looks like theory that something was wrong was for naught. I still think it was a valid opinion to have based on length of time it took.
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    Man, it took me two days but I finally get what you mean by "fishy"... Cespedes is going to the Marlins...

    I was thinking you meant something else, my bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Microline133 View Post
    Hmmmmmm.....
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    Oh man oh man, I can hope...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zCor View Post
    Man, it took me two days but I finally get what you mean by "fishy"... Cespedes is going to the Marlins...

    I was thinking you meant something else, my bad
    I like to make puns, but if you're referring to me, that's not what I meant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
    Yup... sounds like the not even filing paperwork rumor was nonsense... which is why nobody besides that one guy reported it.
    Yeah, the paperwork rumor sure appears bogus, and I'd suggest that isn't surprising in the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Bigglesworth View Post
    Yeah, the paperwork rumor sure appears bogus, and I'd suggest that isn't surprising in the least.
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    Damn. My homies had a great alternative plan in place.

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    Is it possible the Prince signing makes Detroit a more attractive destination for Cespedes? A buzz-worthy win-now team with 3 superstars. Interesting though, especially if he really doesn't want to go to Miami.

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    Teams are waiting for the OK to start bidding on Cespedes. There's still a feeling that Cespedes really doesn't want to go to Marlins.

    On Cespedes: People in baseball wondering if Prince signing takes Tigers out of it. Not sure yet if that's true

    Also on Cespedes: He has told teams he would prefer not to play in Miami. If so, he has interesting decision if Marlins still bid big.

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    Seeing how the Tigers have almost zero OF prospects (unless you count Castellanos), it would still be
    worth their while to at least kick the tires on Cespedes. As others have pointed out, they can't spend
    overslot on the draft any longer - and won't have a 1st rounder next year, so maybe there is some $$$
    to work with, if the Tigers desire him.

    And no, Fields is not a prospect until he starts hitting consistently. Same case with kids like Moya and Garcia.
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    I actually do not want him now because of the Prince...I am worried about payroll now and with an unknown......it feels like too much too soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John_Brian_K View Post
    I actually do not want him now because of the Prince...I am worried about payroll now and with an unknown......it feels like too much too soon.
    again Ilitch will die before the end of Prince's contract. Now is the time to double, or quadruple, down. Yoeenis, EJax, Damon, come on down.

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