Yankees have an air of desperation about their Sp

**ROMAD1** · 03-17-2011, 04:12 PM

Details of Felix Hernandez's no-trade clause - Yardbarker

**Mr. Bigglesworth** · 03-17-2011, 04:22 PM

I don't understand what the article has to do with thread title.

**ROMAD1** · 03-17-2011, 04:43 PM

The Yankees are trying desperately to trade for one of the elite starters. The Yankee's may well get one of them because they have so much financial and organizational muscle but it is amusing to me to see their fanbase essentially demanding that other organizations make these trades because otherwise they are hosed against the mighty Red Sox, plucky Rays, etc.

The same thing is going on with Liriano. Neither trade makes sense until July. Unless the Twins or Mariners feel already overmatched by their competition.

**smr-nj** · 03-17-2011, 06:02 PM

Notes:

1. Yankee "fanbase" is not flipping out. {insert yawn here}

2. Red Sox aren't mighty, except if you mean their fans are mightily, wickedly lame.

3. Let the games begin.

**ROMAD1** · 03-18-2011, 11:17 AM

Yes, let the games begin. And Let Bartolo Colon be their SP

**alwaysthrowheat** · 03-18-2011, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by ROMAD1

Yes, let the games begin. And Let Bartolo Colon be their SP

And Freddy Garcia. Don't worry, if anything happens (which it always does) prior is ready to go. 3 85 mph right handers. Scary.

**Gehringer_2** · 03-18-2011, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by ROMAD1

The Yankees are trying desperately to trade for one of the elite starters. The Yankee's may well get one of them because they have so much financial and organizational muscle but it is amusing to me to see their fanbase essentially demanding that other organizations make these trades because otherwise they are hosed against the mighty Red Sox, plucky Rays, etc.

The same thing is going on with Liriano. Neither trade makes sense until July. Unless the Twins or Mariners feel already overmatched by their competition.

The Twins already have one extra starter they are going to have to stash. If they send someone to Rochester and he does OK, I think moving Liriano to NY for a major haul is almost a slam dunk for the Twins, even if they are in contention. I think they will avoid avoid another Santana saga.

**Porcelain God** · 03-18-2011, 03:18 PM

Ivan Nova is the monster of that rotation. I would love love love to see the Yankees tank, even if for just a year.

**ROMAD1** · 03-18-2011, 10:34 PM

While playing MLB 2k11 on Xbox...blathering comment from Steve Philips-bot was that CC was likely to end up in Cooperstown. I won't even look up his numbers out of respect for Jack Morris.

**Mr. Bigglesworth** · 03-19-2011, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by ROMAD1

While playing MLB 2k11 on Xbox...blathering comment from Steve Philips-bot was that CC was likely to end up in Cooperstown. I won't even look up his numbers out of respect for Jack Morris.

Wha????

Sabathia has a much better ERA+, a better ERA (in a more hitting friendly environment), a much better win percentage, better BB/9, better K/9, better HR/9, better WHIP.

The only thing Morris has over Sabathia is innings pitched, which is at least partially due to CC being mid-career.

Provided CC is able to pitch close to his current level of effectiveness until he is 35 - he is likely, very likely, to be headed to Cooperstown.

**Lbh24** · 03-19-2011, 10:07 AM

10 posts and this thread has taken so many odd turns.

CC is a terrific pitcher.

I'm sure many teams are trying hard to get Felix. There's not really a team that shouldn't be inquiring.

**ROMAD1** · 03-19-2011, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Mr. Bigglesworth

Wha????

Sabathia has a much better ERA+, a better ERA (in a more hitting friendly environment), a much better win percentage, better BB/9, better K/9, better HR/9, better WHIP.

The only thing Morris has over Sabathia is innings pitched, which is at least partially due to CC being mid-career.

Provided CC is able to pitch close to his current level of effectiveness until he is 35 - he is likely, very likely, to be headed to Cooperstown.

Yeah, I finally looked at the comparisons on Baseball Reference and lo, my hate for yankee scum has blinded my senses. CC is not just a product of the media hype machine.

**ROMAD1** · 03-19-2011, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Lbh24

10 posts and this thread has taken so many odd turns.

CC is a terrific pitcher.

I'm sure many teams are trying hard to get Felix. There's not really a team that shouldn't be inquiring.

The Mariners should build their team around a young dominant starting pitcher

**asindc** · 03-31-2011, 10:15 AM

Air of desperation? More like a storm cloud of desperation.

**smr-nj** · 03-31-2011, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by asindc

Air of desperation? More like a storm cloud of desperation.

you say this based on what, exactly?
Maybe the weather report?

**asindc** · 03-31-2011, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by smr-nj

you say this based on what, exactly?
Maybe the weather report?

AJ Burnett
Bartolo Colon
Mark Prior
Kevin Millwood

Details found in these stories:

How does the Yankees’ 2011 Opening Day rotation compare with years’ past? | New York Yankees blog, Yankees blog, A blog about the New York Yankees | The Yankee Analysts

Thoughts About The Yankees 2011 Rotation | Bleacher Report

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It seems that $199,660,714 doesn't buy what it used to.

**jj04** · 03-31-2011, 01:27 PM

Colon, Prior and Millwood are stop-gaps until they can either buy/trade for better pitching or decide to bring up Brackman, Betances, and/or Banuelos (likely in that order).

Burnett is an enigma, but management had to know that when they went out to get him. Then again, stranger things have driven the minds of ambitious teams.

I'm not particularly fond of their starting pitching after Sabathia, but they'll find a way to bruise through.

**asindc** · 03-31-2011, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by jj04

Colon, Prior and Millwood are stop-gaps until they can either buy/trade for better pitching or decide to bring up Brackman, Betances, and/or Banuelos (likely in that order).

Burnett is an enigma, but management had to know that when they went out to get him. Then again, stranger things have driven the minds of ambitious teams.

I'm not particularly fond of their starting pitching after Sabathia, but they'll find a way to bruise through.

Oh, I'm aware of that, but this is Plan B, make no mistake. Plan A was to sign Cliff Lee or trade for Zack Greinke. Having failed to do so, they probably will offer an overpayment for Felix Hernandez or Francisco Liriano... IF they become available. Thus, Plan C is no certainty.

**smr-nj** · 03-31-2011, 04:18 PM

gee, its just so nice to see a white sox fan so concerned about the Yankee "desperation".

amusing.

**ROMAD1** · 03-31-2011, 04:21 PM

All that Yankee desperation is because of their division. They wouldn't be desperate if they were in the NL West,

**jj04** · 03-31-2011, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by asindc

Oh, I'm aware of that, but this is Plan B, make no mistake. Plan A was to sign Cliff Lee or trade for Zack Greinke. Having failed to do so, they probably will offer an overpayment for Felix Hernandez or Francisco Liriano... IF they become available. Thus, Plan C is no certainty.

The Cliff Lee thing blew up in Cashman's face, but I don't know how any Yankees fan could have thought that money would buy him out when some of the fans spit on his wife during the playoffs. Did they expect any differently? Sadly for the Yankees the actions of a few fans cost them a valuable asset. Greinke would not survive in a major market. Sure looks good, but his psyche would have never fit.

I don't see Hernandez in New York. I just don't think he'll go for a deal with them. As for Liriano, I guess we'll have to see. If they don't trade for him in July, I doubt he comes to NY either.