Reported Steroid User list

MAROTH4MVP · #1 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 10:49 AM

1.Nomar Garciaparra
2.Manny Ramirez
3.Johnny Damon
4.Trot Nixon
5.David Ortiz
6.Shea Hillenbrand
7.Derek Lowe
8.Pedro Martinez
9.Brian Roberts
10.Jay Gibbons
11.Melvin Mora
12.Jerry Hairston
13.Jason Giambi
14.Alfonso Soriano
15.Raul Mondesi
16. Aaron Boone
17.Andy Pettitte
18.Jose Contreras
19.Roger Clemens
20.Carlos Delgado
21.Vernon Wells
22.Frank Catalanotto
23.Kenny Rogers
24.Magglio Ordonez
25.Sandy Alomar
26.Bartolo Colon
27.Brent Abernathy
28.Jose Lima
29.Milton Bradley
30.Casey Blake
31.Danys Baez
32.Craig Monroe
33.Dmitri Young
34.Alex Sanchez
35.Eric Chavez
36.Miguel Tejada
37.Eric Byrnes
38.Jose Guillen
39.Keith Foulke
40.Ricardo Rincon
41.Bret Boone
42.Mike Cameron
43.Randy Winn
44.Ryan Franklin
45.Freddy Garcia
46.Rafael Soriano
47.Scott Spiezio
48.Troy Glaus
49.Francisco Rodriguez
50.Ben Weber
51.Alex Rodriguez
52.Juan Gonzalez
53.Rafael Palmeiro
54.Carl Everett
55.Javy Lopez
56.Gary Sheffield
57.Mike Hampton
58.Ivan Rodriguez
59.Derrek Lee
60.Bobby Abreu
61.Terry Adams
62.Fernando Tatis
63.Livan Hernandez
64.Hector Almonte
65.Tony Armas
66.Dan Smith
67.Roberto Alomar
68.Cliff Floyd
69.Roger Cedeno
70.Jeromy Burnitz
71.Moises Alou
72.Sammy Sosa
73.Corey Patterson
74.Carlos Zambrano
75.Mark Prior
76.Kerry Wood
77.Matt Clement
78.Antonio Alfonseca
79.Juan Cruz
80.Aramis Ramirez
81.Craig Wilson
82.Kris Benson
83.Richie Sexson
84.Geoff Jenkins
85.Valerio de los Santos
86.Benito Santiago
87.Rich Aurilia
88.Barry Bonds
89.Andres Galarraga
90.Jason Schmidt
91.Felix Rodriguez
92.Jason Christiansen
93.Matt Herges
94.Paul Lo Duca
95.Shawn Green
96.Oliver Perez
97.Adrian Beltre
98.Eric Gagne
99.Guillermo Mota
100.Luis Gonzalez
101.Todd Helton
102.Ryan Klesko
103.Gary Matthews
Unconfirmed Baseball Steroid List Reveals 104 Names*|*Muscle Sport Magazine

Dirk Diggler · #2 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MAROTH4MVP

85.Valerio de los Santos

It's about time he got busted, I knew he was juicing.

You should put a warning at the top that this is a spoiler for everyone that was looking forward to 2 names being released every 3-4 months. lol

sportz4life · #3 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 11:27 AM

Juan Cruz has always impressed me as a steroid user. Without the juice he would be 6-2 125 instead of 145.

Mr. Bigglesworth · #4 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 11:42 AM

Just about every body type is represented on that list.

Scottwood · #5 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 11:47 AM

Where is Jason Grimsley? Or did I just skip over his name?

KleShreen · #6 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MAROTH4MVP

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Boston
1.Nomar Garciaparra
2.Manny Ramirez
3.Johnny Damon
4.Trot Nixon
5.David Ortiz
6.Shea Hillenbrand
7.Derek Lowe
8.Pedro Martinez
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Baltimore
9.Brian Roberts
10.Jay Gibbons
11.Melvin Mora
12.Jerry Hairston
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New York
13.Jason Giambi
14.Alfonso Soriano
15.Raul Mondesi
16. Aaron Boone
17.Andy Pettitte
18.Jose Contreras
19.Roger Clemens
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Toronto
20.Carlos Delgado
21.Vernon Wells
22.Frank Catalanotto
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Minnesota
23.Kenny Rogers
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Chicago
24.Magglio Ordonez
25.Sandy Alomar
26.Bartolo Colon
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Kansas City
27.Brent Abernathy
28.Jose Lima
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Cleveland
29.Milton Bradley
30.Casey Blake
31.Danys Baez
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Detroit
32.Craig Monroe
33.Dmitri Young
34.Alex Sanchez
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Oakland
35.Eric Chavez
36.Miguel Tejada
37.Eric Byrnes
38.Jose Guillen
39.Keith Foulke
40.Ricardo Rincon
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Seattle
41.Bret Boone
42.Mike Cameron
43.Randy Winn
44.Ryan Franklin
45.Freddy Garcia
46.Rafael Soriano
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Anaheim
47.Scott Spiezio
48.Troy Glaus
49.Francisco Rodriguez
50.Ben Weber
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Texas
51.Alex Rodriguez
52.Juan Gonzalez
53.Rafael Palmeiro
54.Carl Everett
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Atlanta
55.Javy Lopez
56.Gary Sheffield
57.Mike Hampton
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Florida
58.Ivan Rodriguez
59.Derrek Lee
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Philadelphia
60.Bobby Abreu
61.Terry Adams
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Montreal
62.Fernando Tatis
63.Livan Hernandez
64.Hector Almonte
65.Tony Armas
66.Dan Smith
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New York
67.Roberto Alomar
68.Cliff Floyd
69.Roger Cedeno
70.Jeromy Burnitz
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Chicago
71.Moises Alou
72.Sammy Sosa
73.Corey Patterson
74.Carlos Zambrano
75.Mark Prior
76.Kerry Wood
77.Matt Clement
78.Antonio Alfonseca
79.Juan Cruz
80.Aramis Ramirez
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Pittsburgh
81.Craig Wilson
82.Kris Benson
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Milwaukee
83.Richie Sexson
84.Geoff Jenkins
85.Valerio de los Santos
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San Francisco
86.Benito Santiago
87.Rich Aurilia
88.Barry Bonds
89.Andres Galarraga
90.Jason Schmidt
91.Felix Rodriguez
92.Jason Christiansen
93.Matt Herges
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Los Angeles
94.Paul Lo Duca
95.Shawn Green
96.Oliver Perez
97.Adrian Beltre
98.Eric Gagne
99.Guillermo Mota
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Arizona
100.Luis Gonzalez
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Colorado
101.Todd Helton
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San Diego
102.Ryan Klesko
103.Gary Matthews
Unconfirmed Baseball Steroid List Reveals 104 Names*|*Muscle Sport Magazine

Separated it out...LOL @ Boston, Cubbies, and Giants.

KleShreen · #7 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Scottwood

Where is Jason Grimsley? Or did I just skip over his name?

Read the story.

lordstanley · #8 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 11:51 AM

#23. So was that a steroid smudge on the ball in the 1st inning of Game 2 of the '06 World Series?

Scottwood · #9 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by KleShreen

Read the story.

That probably would have helped. haha.

Edman85 · #10 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 11:53 AM

Why does it say 104 are listed and only list 103? I'm not saying I don't believe this list, but that seems fishy.

I also would have lost my left nut had I made the bet that Bobby Higginson was on this list...

KleShreen · #11 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Edman85

Why does it say 104 are listed and only list 103? I'm not saying I don't believe this list, but that seems fishy.

I also would have lost my left nut had I made the bet that Bobby Higginson was on this list...

Read the story.

lordstanley · #12 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 11:55 AM

The story was published July 1.

Scottwood · #13 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 12:12 PM

The names that stand out the most to me are Pedro and Pudge. That would be 2 more Hall of Fame players who would not be allowed in.

KleShreen · #14 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 12:22 PM

I've heard from a couple people in the last couple hours that this list was debunked the same day it was published. Not sure how, but just passing the info along.

lordstanley · #15 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KleShreen

I've heard from a couple people in the last couple hours that this list was debunked the same day it was published. Not sure how, but just passing the info along.

Deadspin didn't believe it. But I wish that they had a better reason to debunk it than the omission of Grimsley's name. Deadspin also says that Rotoinfo has a history of using info from unreliable sources.

Baseball's Steroid Era: 2003 Steroid List Another Hoax? Rotoinfo Publishes "Unconfirmed" List

SuperFlew · #16 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 12:42 PM

This same lists pops up every once in a while as the supposed list. There is some more discussion of it here.

Chopper · #17 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 01:44 PM

100.Luis Gonzalez

No suprise there. He went on a home run hitting binge in 2001 that a guy with his body type never should of been able to do. 57 home runs and with peaks before and after that year. No doubt at all.

T.O. Tiger Fan · #18 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 01:48 PM

I don't think that is the real list simply because there aren't many "no-names" on there. From those guys that have actually been caught, quite a few were fringe big leaguers and journeymen middle relievers.

Oblong · #19 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Scottwood

The names that stand out the most to me are Pedro and Pudge. That would be 2 more Hall of Fame players who would not be allowed in.

There's no rule that says they are not allowed in. It's entirely up to the voters.

The only way Pedro doesn't get in is if he acts like a tool like Roger Clemens.

Scottwood · #20 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Oblong

There's no rule that says they are not allowed in. It's entirely up to the voters.

The only way Pedro doesn't get in is if he acts like a tool like Roger Clemens.

There is no rule but if some guy does not get in b/c of roids (like Bonds or Clemens) then they all have to be left out. You cannot make exceptions just b/c a guy might be a little nicer.

Oblong · #21 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Scottwood

There is no rule but if some guy does not get in b/c of roids (like Bonds or Clemens) then they all have to be left out. You cannot make exceptions just b/c a guy might be a little nicer.

The voters can and they will.

slim pickens · #22 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 03:29 PM

I hate that this wont go away. It happened, we all know, man just let it go. They have all these things in place now to take care of the problem, or atleast try harder than they were.

Charles Liston · #23 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chopper

100.Luis Gonzalez

No suprise there. He went on a home run hitting binge in 2001 that a guy with his body type never should of been able to do. 57 home runs and with peaks before and after that year. No doubt at all.

I loved his explanation at the time. Pilates.

Tint · #24 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 07:08 PM

I think the list should be burned and never talked about again. in 1991 baseball said it can not be used, and of course still didn't test, therefore it is as much their fault. Get rid of the past and move on. Does anyone care anymore?

Vonlenska · #25 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 07:11 PM

totally fake.

Lousluggage · #26 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 07:38 PM

The latest spin on the story is that it really isn't 103 (or 4, or whatever it is) players that tested positive. The positive tests may represent people who tested positive once (possibly negative later), or who tested positive twice. Thus, one person who tested positive twice may represent two of the positive tests, and the list of 103 may really be about 80.

If I sound confused, it's because all this spin is making me dizzy. That way I'm more likely to believe every single player who claims to have taken legal OTC supplements that contained a banned substance.

White Castle · #27 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 07:45 PM

LOL Craig Monroe. From stealing belts to taking steroids, he's done it all. I'm surprised this never came up in a conversation with Rod at the batting cage.

sportz4life · #28 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by White Castle

LOL Craig Monroe. From stealing belts to taking steroids, he's done it all. I'm surprised this never came up in a conversation with Rod at the batting cage.

But he made 12-13MM in earnings. Played in a playoff and WS. Ask him if he thinks it was worth it.

White Castle · #29 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sportz4life

But he made 12-13MM in earnings. Played in a playoff and WS. Ask him if he thinks it was worth it.

So?

I could ask all 103 of them. I just got a chuckle from seeing Monroe's name.

Motor City Sonics · #30 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 08:03 PM

As much as I dislike players using steroids, they were promised that this list would be kept secret and someone has been leaking names now. Whomever is responsible should face discipline. Just because they have all that money and prestige doesn't mean they should not have privacy. This is wrong. A secret list is supposed to be secret.

Rich Aurilia, wow the Tigers really wanted him. He is an obvious abuser, average to below-average player suddenly becomes this great power hitter, they start testing and you never hear from him again. Carlos Guillen is better anyway.

Motor City Sonics · #31 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 08:05 PM

As far as the Hall Of Fame, Oblong is right. There were no rules in effect regarding performance enhancing drugs, whereas in the Pete Rose case he knew his whole life gambling on the sport is wrong.

Bonds will be the ultimate test on this steroids/HOF thing. I don't think he gets voted in his first few tries, but like the media did with Jim Rice, finally breaking down at the end of his eligibility, they will finally vote him in.

White Castle · #32 (**permalink**) 08-09-2009, 08:08 PM

If McGwire is blackballed from the hall of fame with no positive test and only suspicion, I can't see how the writers can vote in anyone who has tested positive.

Microline133 · #33 (**permalink**) 08-10-2009, 09:24 AM

That's assuming Mark McGwire is a no-brainer Hall-of-Fame player....which I'm not convinced of....

Oblong · #34 (**permalink**) 08-10-2009, 09:30 AM

My problem with the release of any list is that many will treat it as the be all end all. It won't be. It just means that this is a list of the people who tested positive at that point in time. A guy who used it once could be on tehre and a guy who used it for years but stopped could be off it.

And was the testing in 2003 all the players or a sample?

It won't be a list of everybody who has ever used steroids or PED's or whatever it is they're testing. It'll be a list of people who have. Big difference.

lordstanley · #35 (**permalink**) 08-10-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Tint

Does anyone care anymore?

Mostly just sports journalists who want to prove to colleagues outside of the toy department that they can sink their teeth into "real news".

Mr. Bigglesworth · #36 (**permalink**) 08-10-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Microline133

That's assuming Mark McGwire is a no-brainer Hall-of-Fame player....which I'm not convinced of....

I'd suggest Mark McGwire's career accomplishments put him in the top half of first basemen elected to the HoF.

I don't know if that makes him a no-brainer selection, but it seems to me he had a HoF caliber career.

Oblong · #37 (**permalink**) 08-10-2009, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Bigglesworth

I'd suggest Mark McGwire's career accomplishments put him in the top half of first basemen elected to the HoF.

I don't know if that makes him a no-brainer selection, but it seems to me he had a HoF caliber career.

I think in McGwire's case many of the voters needed a reason to not vote for him and his performance before Congress gave them that reason. They are in a better position to directly attribute his career to the junk.

In a situatino like Barry Bonds, if he had hurt his knee or back and retired after 1998, would he have been a HOFer? Yes.

DrWho17 · #38 (**permalink**) 08-10-2009, 12:29 PM

If this list is to be believed, quite a large slice of quality players hit this list. I'm inclined to believe this list isn't off by much, considering the offensive decline we've seen since the improved testing procedures have been implemented.

LeFlorist · #39 (**permalink**) 08-10-2009, 01:04 PM

Were some teams not tested at all? Because it would be quite remarkable if it were true that 4 teams (NYY, Bos, SF, Cubs) comprised almost a third of (33 or 104) all positive tests.

also: Gaga?