10/18/09. Week 6. Lions @ Packers. FOX, 1:05pm.

**jonjd** · 10-18-2009, 03:02 PM

HA! Rodgers scrambling under intense pressure only to find a guy wide open while he's on the run. Unreal! We can make ANYONE look like a hall of famer. Look up the recently replaced Jason Campbell for proof.

Now I'm really off to the pub.

**zimm** · 10-18-2009, 03:04 PM

has there been a packer play in the 2nd half where they didn't have a receiver running at least 5 yards from the nearest lion defender?

**Antrat** · 10-18-2009, 03:05 PM

I love how channel 2 loses the HD wide screen feed when they put up their logo. This also happens when they put up weather warnings. Real rocket scientists over there.

**kgeorge78** · 10-18-2009, 03:11 PM

this game is unwatchable. one of the worst games in 5 years. If Stafford is done for the year, yuck.

**azzurri** · 10-18-2009, 03:13 PM

This game is brutal, just brutal, to watch. Looks like the Lions were looking at the wrong schedule and thought their bye week was today. Schwartz has a lot of work to do with this team. The defense blows beyond belief. The offense without Stafford and Johnson is lifeless. Pathetic display.

**Stormin' Norman** · 10-18-2009, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by dadair6

I was mostly referring to on-field performance. I like the Schwartz hiring, but not the Stafford pick. They had the worst defense in NFL history last year and they drafted offense, including a tight end, with their first two picks. Once again they fall behind three scores more times than not. It's just a minor league organization.

When building a team, the most important thing you must do is build an identity. When all of your talent is on offense, you get more talent on your offense. I would almost argue that they should have spent more draft picks on offense. If we could have managed Oher and Pettigrew, that would have been perfect.

**PuNk42AE** · 10-18-2009, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Stormin' Norman

When building a team, the most important thing you must do is build an identity. When all of your talent is on offense, you get more talent on your offense. I would almost argue that they should have spent more draft picks on offense. If we could have managed Oher and Pettigrew, that would have been perfect.

Oher would have been real nice, he's actually doing a good job today against Allen in his first Start of his career.

**Shinma** · 10-18-2009, 03:21 PM

Holy cow, what a catch by Driver.

**dadair6** · 10-18-2009, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Stormin' Norman

When building a team, the most important thing you must do is build an identity. When all of your talent is on offense, you get more talent on your offense. I would almost argue that they should have spent more draft picks on offense. If we could have managed Oher and Pettigrew, that would have been perfect.

The defense is so bad that the amount of offense needed to compensate would take years to acquire through the draft. There isn't enough talent to score 40 points per game which is needed to win games with this defense. Adding playmakers on defense takes pressure off the offense to have to score a ton of points to have a shot at a win. I think drafting defense is the way to get back to repectability quicker than offense.

**Johnny Mac** · 10-18-2009, 03:23 PM

The Lions are just not enjoyable to watch if Calvin and Stafford are not playing.

**Shinma** · 10-18-2009, 03:24 PM

Rodgers sacked and fumbles the ball away, The Lions had an O-lineman in the game because of injuries.

**Johnny Mac** · 10-18-2009, 03:29 PM

Apparently Stanton has no idea how to avoid a sack either

**Stormin' Norman** · 10-18-2009, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by PuNk42AE

Oher would have been real nice, he's actually doing a good job today against Allen in his first Start of his career.

He's been starting all year. He has been starting at LT since Gaither was hurt. But yes, Oher should be Rookie of the Year.

Originally Posted by dadair6

The defense is so bad that the amount of offense needed to compensate would take years to acquire through the draft. There isn't enough talent to score 40 points per game which is needed to win games with this defense. Adding playmakers on defense takes pressure off the offense to have to score a ton of points to have a shot at a win. I think drafting defense is the way to get back to repectability quicker than offense.

You can't look to turn around a franchise in one offseason. It's not any easier to build a defense than it is to build an offense - so might as well start where you have the most talent. The notion that defense wins champions is bull.

Plus a QB is always more important than the most important defensive player. No one player can impact a team like the leadership of a QB.

**jonjd** · 10-18-2009, 03:36 PM

Awesome INT from Levy. Doing more than Sims has in a long, long time... an INT, a fumble, and a FR all in one play. Sims, as usual, just watched it all happen.

**Shinma** · 10-18-2009, 03:36 PM

Lions pick off Rodgers!

**jonjd** · 10-18-2009, 03:39 PM

Here come the Lions with their most impressive drive (not saying much) all day... they do this just to keep you and me coming back...

...like a golfer with a 25 handicap who chips in on the 18th out of the trap on the last day of golf season. He can't wait for the next round.

**jonjd** · 10-18-2009, 03:40 PM

Nick Barnett showing again why he is the dirtiest player in the league... laughing about the facemask.

**dadair6** · 10-18-2009, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by jonjd

Here come the Lions with their most impressive drive (not saying much) all day... they do this just to keep you and me coming back....

The only thing this drive is doing is causing GB fantasy owners to lose shutout points.

**dadair6** · 10-18-2009, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by jonjd

Here come the Lions with their most impressive drive (not saying much) all day... they do this just to keep you and me coming back....

The only thing this drive is doing is causing GB fantasy owners to lose shutout points.

**dadair6** · 10-18-2009, 03:44 PM

Never mind. :)

**Shinma** · 10-18-2009, 03:44 PM

Stanton picked off in the endzone.

**Johnny Mac** · 10-18-2009, 03:45 PM

we have to have the worst backup qbs in the NFL

**Shinma** · 10-18-2009, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Johnny Mac

we have to have the worst backup qbs in the NFL

Cleveland's QB's laugh at this statement.

**dadair6** · 10-18-2009, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Johnny Mac

we have to have the worst backup qbs in the NFL

Hell, our starters the last 9 years would be backups on almost every other team so our backups would be practice squad players.

**jonjd** · 10-18-2009, 03:53 PM

Oher is not doing THAT well against Allen by the way. And talk of rookie of year is stupid this early... especially when said with such conviction and certainty.

**Antrat** · 10-18-2009, 03:56 PM

GB is not very good. They should have 50 points by now.

**Johnny Mac** · 10-18-2009, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Shinma

Cleveland's QB's laugh at this statement.

I dont know, Stanton has a qb rating of 22 today and Culpepper has a qb rating of 22.3. Im not sure Brady Quinn was ever that bad

**Shinma** · 10-18-2009, 04:13 PM

Thank you Lions for sucking again. Atleast this time you sucked enough to win me money.

**Deleterious** · 10-18-2009, 04:17 PM

With a 250 pound QB, how do you not try a sneak on 3rd/4th and 1?

**MAROTH4MVP** · 10-18-2009, 05:05 PM

I wouldn't get too down on Stanton for his poor showing. Henne had a bad game when he came in off the bench, once he got a full week of snaps with the 1st team offense he has looked good.

**MAROTH4MVP** · 10-18-2009, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Johnny Mac

we have to have the worst backup qbs in the NFL

Actually Stanton is one of the better thrid string Qb's in the league.

**Johnny Mac** · 10-18-2009, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by MAROTH4MVP

Actually Stanton is one of the better thrid string Qb's in the league.

based on what, how he did against 3rd stringers and guys who got cut during preseason? He looked awful out there against a real defense.

**DrWho17** · 10-18-2009, 05:13 PM

Well this isn't shocking, the Lions have no depth. Culpepper games are totally useless for the Lions they should just cut the guy. I thought they were looking better, but today was just a total uninspired effort.

One thing that really does annoy me though, is their special teams, it doesn't take a boat load of talent to be good in that area. I think coaching can make a big difference in that area, why do the Lions keep on sticking with Stan Kwan, they need to make a statement and at least fire him.

**DrWho17** · 10-18-2009, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by MAROTH4MVP

Actually Stanton is one of the better thrid string Qb's in the league.

No he is not, he's not even a NFL caliber player. The guy isn't NFL accurate, and he's an injury waiting to happen.

**sinister porpoise** · 10-18-2009, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by jonjd

Oher is not doing THAT well against Allen by the way. And talk of rookie of year is stupid this early... especially when said with such conviction and certainty.

Yeah, I caught that as well. The Ravens have a good offense this year though I can't say I've focused much on Oher's play; that being said, he was not anything special today against Jared Allen. He was dominated by an experienced pass rusher.

Originally Posted by Johnny Mac

I dont know, Stanton has a qb rating of 22 today and Culpepper has a qb rating of 22.3. Im not sure Brady Quinn was ever that bad

That first pick wasn't Stanton's fault but will bring down his QB rating. He was definitely better than Culpepper.

**Stormin' Norman** · 10-18-2009, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by sinister porpoise

Yeah, I caught that as well. The Ravens have a good offense this year though I can't say I've focused much on Oher's play; that being said, he was not anything special today against Jared Allen. He was dominated by an experienced pass rusher.

That explains Jared Allen's sack total.

Oh wait, his only sack came on a screen play.

**sinister porpoise** · 10-18-2009, 07:13 PM

At half time Oher had two false start penalties. I believe he picked up at least one more in the second half as well.

Allen had a handful of hurries on Flacco including a play that went to replay to determine if it was a forced fumble or merely an incompletion.

**cruzer1** · 10-18-2009, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by Stormin' Norman

That explains Jared Allen's sack total.

Oh wait, his only sack came on a screen play.

He had 7 total tackles, 4 tackles for a loss. He dominated the poor fella. Every time I checked in that game, Allen was making a big play. Oher showed very shoddy feet and hand movement. He's better off on the right side right now.

**cruzer1** · 10-18-2009, 07:19 PM

Speaking of depth, there aren't many teams that would do well missing as many players as the Lions are missing right now. Very few teams would win, if at all. The point is the Lions have a history of injuries every year, and they need to continue working at getting bigger and more physical. I believe they get injured for a reason... they are too often the hittee and not the hitter.