MotownSports.com Message Board - Detroit Tigers http://www.motownsports.com/forums/ Talk about the Detroit Tigers! en Thu, 17 May 2012 13:04:46 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.motownsports.com/forums/images/misc/rss.png MotownSports.com Message Board - Detroit Tigers http://www.motownsports.com/forums/ Will Rhymes goes down..... http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97812-will-rhymes-goes-down.html Thu, 17 May 2012 04:21:25 GMT Rays infielder Will Rhymes passed out on the field moments after he was struck on the right wrist by a 95-mph fastball Wednesday night during Tampa Bay's 2-1 win over the Boston Red Sox.

But Rhymes is OK, according to the Rays, and said it's likely he passed out due to an "adrenaline rush" after the pain of the hit-by-pitch subsided.

Rhymes, struck by a Franklin Morales pitch in the eighth inning, was examined by trainers after he was struck by the pitch. He then proceeded to first base as the Red Sox changed pitchers.

BOX SCORE: Rays 2, Red Sox 1

But during the pitching change, Rhymes came off the bag and bent over at the waist. With first-base coach George Hendrick alongside him, Rhymes keeled over and crumpled to the Tropicana Field turf as Hendrick helped him down.

ESPN cameras appeared to show Rhymes gain consciousness as he lay on the turf. He was helped to a cart by medical personnel and taken from the field.

After the game, Rhymes spoke of becoming dizzy and nauseous after he walked to first.

"You saw the rest. I didn't get real far," Rhymes said.

On Morales' fastball, Rhymes said: "Firm. That one was firm. It literally hit me squre on the bone. But they say it's one of the strongest bones in the body. Thank God."

Rhymes, 29, signed a minor league contract with the Rays in January and entered Wednesday's game hitting .273 in 13 games. He was released by the Detroit Tigers after the 2011 season.

Will Rhymes on collapse: 'My lights went out'


I read a thing on his facebook page that said they asked him "do you know who you are" and he responded "yes, batman"....

gotta love ol Will. He'd kinda put you in the mind of Jim Walewander from back in the day. :classic: ]]> Detroit Tigers eastside billee http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97812-will-rhymes-goes-down.html 05-17-12--DETROIT VS. MINNESOTA--1:05 PM http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97811-05-17-12-detroit-vs-minnesota-1-05-pm.html Thu, 17 May 2012 02:46:23 GMT




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]]> Detroit Tigers IdahoBert http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97811-05-17-12-detroit-vs-minnesota-1-05-pm.html Austin Jackson leaves w/ Undisclosed Injury http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97809-austin-jackson-leaves-w-undisclosed-injury.html Thu, 17 May 2012 00:43:14 GMT Hopefully minor. Hopefully minor. ]]> Detroit Tigers CapitalTigers http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97809-austin-jackson-leaves-w-undisclosed-injury.html Vote Your Favorite Tigers Into 2012 The All Star Game http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97808-vote-your-favorite-tigers-into-2012-all-star-game.html Wed, 16 May 2012 23:44:53 GMT Here's the link. You know what to do. No slacking!

2012 All-Star Game Ballot | MLB.com: Events

Who gets your vote? My list would include:
1. Prince
2. Cabrera
3. Jackson
4. Avila (would like to see him start hitting more tho)
5. Possible write-in of Andy Dirks
6. Brandon Inge (sorry)

We might end up with three SP's on the team too? ]]> Detroit Tigers DaYooperASBDT http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97808-vote-your-favorite-tigers-into-2012-all-star-game.html Happy 55th to the Tiger who should be in the HOF http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97807-happy-55th-tiger-who-should-hof.html Wed, 16 May 2012 19:19:20 GMT Jack Morris celebrates his 55th birthday today. Jack Morris celebrates his 55th birthday today. ]]> Detroit Tigers JGROTH http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97807-happy-55th-tiger-who-should-hof.html Valverde Leaves Game w/ Undisclosed Injury http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97799-valverde-leaves-game-w-undisclosed-injury.html Tue, 15 May 2012 22:08:40 GMT For those not watching the game. He grimaced, Avila called out Rand, and he was pulled with a 3-1 count. Hopefully minor. Updates here I guess. For those not watching the game. He grimaced, Avila called out Rand, and he was pulled with a 3-1 count. Hopefully minor.

Updates here I guess. ]]> Detroit Tigers CapitalTigers http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97799-valverde-leaves-game-w-undisclosed-injury.html <![CDATA[Who will be the Tiger's next closer?]]> http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97798-who-will-tigers-next-closer.html Tue, 15 May 2012 21:58:45 GMT Papa Grande got hurt today, who knows how long he will be out. Even if it is minor, he's been awful this year, and his peripherals last year made some prognosticators predict an implosion for 2012. So whenever Valverde is finally dethroned for good, who will take his place?

Benoit? He's been good but hasn't had much success as a closer.

Dotel? He's had a lot of success in the past closing, but he's no spring chicken?

Coke? No success as a closer in the bigs.

Plan D?

(Wish I knew how to start a poll, but I'm a newb). ]]> Detroit Tigers Fearless Raccoon http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97798-who-will-tigers-next-closer.html 05-16-12--DETROIT VS. MINNESOTA--7:05 PM http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97797-05-16-12-detroit-vs-minnesota-7-05-pm.html Tue, 15 May 2012 21:57:39 GMT Image: http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d179/IdahoBert/drysdalebuick-1.png *1968 Tigers Scorecard From Detroit, Michigan


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]]> Detroit Tigers IdahoBert http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97797-05-16-12-detroit-vs-minnesota-7-05-pm.html Are big changes coming? http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97795-big-changes-coming.html Tue, 15 May 2012 19:50:00 GMT I'm not calling for them. I am not saying they should. But are they?

I could actually see Leyland or someone getting fired earlier than people think. Again, not saying I WANT this to happen. Just that I could see it happening. ]]> Detroit Tigers NeedMoreLike84 http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97795-big-changes-coming.html A Litany On Organizational Idiocy http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97791-litany-organizational-idiocy.html Tue, 15 May 2012 03:00:28 GMT I know that the board has plenty of negative threads, but I promise I'm only going to demand one player be removed from the MLB roster. Tonight's game seems to be the perfect example of the Tiger's baffling love of horrible moves from the top down. Let's take a look:

Quote:
B:0 S:1 O:1
Ryan Raburn ground bunts into a force out, pitcher John Danks to third baseman Brent Morel. Prince Fielder out at 3rd. Delmon Young to 2nd. Ryan Raburn to 1st.
It's the third inning and the game is already 3-2, why are you bunting??? Why??? Why would you think Ryan Raburn would be good at it? Mind boggling. Playing for one run in the third inning in the American League in the year 2012. How can things get any worse?

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Gerald Laird out on a sacrifice bunt, third baseman Brent Morel to second baseman Gordon Beckham. Jhonny Peralta to 3rd.
Alright! It's now a 5-2 game in the 5th inning, better go for that one run once more, oh what a shock, it didn't work! Neither bunt accomplished anything other than possibly costing the team a big inning in the 3rd. Wooo, let's ignore things like facts and logic and reason and go by the gut, bunting was a good idea when current managers were kids in the 1960s, it must still be great!

But hey, the Tigers are still winning, Smyly has given up a couple of homers but otherwise he's pitched well, and he's only thrown 69 pitches.

And then, Luke Putkonen enters the game.

There are so many things wrong with Luke Putkonen entering the game that I barely know where to begin. First of all, you have Jim Leyland, he's decided to pull his starter who is pitching reasonably well overall to put in a reliever. OK...and he's decided to put the worst pitcher on the team in a 1 run game against the heart of the other team's lineup...why? What possible reason is there to do this?

But much more importantly than that, why on earth is Luke Putkonen in MLB? Why is he even on the 40 man roster? Why is he even in the Tigers organization? It's mind boggling. Luke Putkonen has 0 good pitches, but he throws 95 miles per hour sometimes. It seems the Tigers continue to value the ability to throw hard over the ability to strike people out, not walk batters, and simply get outs.

Last season, Luke Putkonen was 25 years old, and he reached the highest level of his career so far, Double A Erie. In his 52 and 1/3 IP in Erie, he managed to put up a solid 1-7 record, with a 7.57 ERA, and an impressive 4.2 K/9 while walking a mere 4.0 batters per 9 innings. This is the pitching line of someone who should be out of professional baseball, but 13 mediocre innings later in AAA he's in MLB. 13 innings in which he still only struck out 6.9 per 9, at the age of 26 in AAA. Building on his career minor league numbers (mostly in A ball and below) of a 3.98 ERA and 6.0 K/9.

It's a joke that this guy is in MLB, and it makes it pretty easy to understand why the Tigers have not had a strong overall bullpen since 2006. Six straight years of mediocrity at best (and if anyone wants to argue 2011, let's please look back fondly on Ryan Perry and Daniel Schlereth pitching key innings in the LCS). Despite constant talk about the 'power arms' in the system, the Tigers can never find anyone from within to reliably get outs. Even this year you have:

Valverde - Big money FA signing, Benoit - Big Money FA signing, Dotel - Reasonably Money FA signing, Coke - Trade, Balester - Trade. Duane Below of all people is the only guy who's even slightly effective that actually came from Detroit.

In 2008 this organization used 10 of their first 14 draft picks on garbage pitchers, almost all of them relievers, none of them have done anything in MLB. Eventually, you have to be able to build a pitching staff with some ability to get outs. They've spent plenty of money, they've spent plenty of draft picks, they've made trades.

At some point, you have to have an offense that isn't built around the baffling combination of low speed, low obp hitters, and smallball. The Tigers certainly have the makings of a very good team, they have a strong rotation, excellent 3-4 hitters, and some solid hitters to put around them.

So, the point of this post if you're wondering, or if you just skipped to the last sentence because it looked long and boring, is this: Why do the Tigers continually, year in and year out, have the same glaring flaws as a team? What does it take for Leyland/Dombrowski to actually learn something? If you were the manager/GM what would you do?

Personally, I would release Putkonen immediately and strongly consider sending down Balester as well, and of course I'd never ever bunt. Ever. I'd tell any player that if he bunted he'd immediately be replaced in the lineup by Delmon Young, who would only be on the roster for that specific reason. ]]> Detroit Tigers pyrotigers http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97791-litany-organizational-idiocy.html Terry Foster may be on to something! http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97783-terry-foster-may-something.html Mon, 14 May 2012 17:02:33 GMT Forget Brandon Inge; letting Placido Polanco go was Tigers&#39; worst mistake | The Detroit News | detroitnews.com

Quote:
The Tigers did not make a mistake in getting rid of Brandon Inge. The mistake they made at second base happened three years ago when they allowed Placido Polanco to walk because of money. By the way, the guy wanted to stay and he is continuing a fine career with the Philadelphia Phillies...

From The Detroit News: Forget Brandon Inge; letting Placido Polanco go was Tigers&#39; worst mistake | The Detroit News | detroitnews.com
More awesome baseball analysis in the article. ]]> Detroit Tigers lesgoblu02 http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97783-terry-foster-may-something.html <![CDATA[Sparky & Me]]> http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97771-sparky-me.html Sat, 12 May 2012 21:57:08 GMT Anyone get this book yet? I know tiger337 reviewed it on his site a few weeks ago and so far I have to agree with his review. I'm about 1/3 into it and if you are expecting any gossip or relevant behind the scene stories you won't really see it her. IT's more about him as a man. It's still worthwhile. I think one that any Tiger fan should read because he was the face of the team during one of it's key periods of time.

I still think it's a shame the way the Tigers treated him but whatever.... that's the past. ]]> Detroit Tigers Oblong http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97771-sparky-me.html <![CDATA[HAPPY BIRTHDAY "SWEET LOU"]]> http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97767-happy-birthday-sweet-lou.html Sat, 12 May 2012 12:42:53 GMT Lou Whitaker celebrates number 55 today. Hope you have many more,Lou. Lou Whitaker celebrates number 55 today. Hope you have many more,Lou. ]]> Detroit Tigers JGROTH http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97767-happy-birthday-sweet-lou.html Release Raburn thread http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97765-release-raburn-thread.html Sat, 12 May 2012 05:01:16 GMT Start Worth and get rid of this slug. At least in worth you will get a guy that will hit .260 no power but at least he has a better eye than Raburn and will hit more than Raburn. I think they gave him enough time to prove himself, can't wait till August for this guy to hit the ball. Release him now. ]]> Detroit Tigers jackson12 http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97765-release-raburn-thread.html MTS @ Tigers Game... http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97754-mts-tigers-game.html Fri, 11 May 2012 11:28:33 GMT I looked around for another thread on the topic & didn't see one. Was wondering if there's been any discussion about potential games for some MTS morons to get together. ]]> Detroit Tigers djhutch http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97754-mts-tigers-game.html <![CDATA[Any member going to tonight's LFT game ?]]> http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97746-any-member-going-tonights-lft-game.html Thu, 10 May 2012 16:34:42 GMT I would like to meet any member(s) that will be at the game. I will be in Section 104,Row HH, Seats 1&2. Hope to see you there. ]]> Detroit Tigers JGROTH http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97746-any-member-going-tonights-lft-game.html Ways To Jump Start This Offense http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97743-ways-jump-start-offense.html Thu, 10 May 2012 11:57:05 GMT Instead on complaining about how bad things are going for the Tigers, I decided on starting a thread so everyone could make their suggestions on helping the Tigers out of this team hitting funk. So, give us your top 5 suggestions............. 5. Have Leyland pull the batting order and entire... Instead on complaining about how bad things are going for the Tigers, I decided on starting a thread so everyone could make their suggestions on helping the Tigers out of this team hitting funk.
So, give us your top 5 suggestions.............

5. Have Leyland pull the batting order and entire lineup out of a hat.

4. Have everyone in the dugout and bullpen wear their rally caps, starting in the first inning.

3. Do the "Major League" VooDoo thing to ALL the bats.

2. Call up a starting lineup from the Mudhens for an entire series....(couldn't be much worse could it?)

1. Just like Leyland and McClendon........I really have NO idea what to do. ]]> Detroit Tigers roarintiger1 http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97743-ways-jump-start-offense.html The un-mystery of Pitch Count http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97733-un-mystery-pitch-count.html Wed, 09 May 2012 16:57:07 GMT So I was listening to 96.1 yesterday and they brought up the question: "Why does everyone care about pitch count there days?" I guess McCarver mentioned it in the Fox game last weekend too.

The old line is: "[Insert number of years] ago nobody cared about Pitch Count. Why do we care so much now?"

I think the best answer to that is that they probably DID care about Pitch Count. Perhaps they didn't actually count the number of pitches, but they certainly looked at how much a starting pitcher labored in previous innings when deciding when/if to pull him or how long he pitched in a previous day when deciding whether to use a relief pitcher.

I'll add on to this that pitch count wasn't so easily accessible back [insert number of years] ago. Now we see it often shown on TV, or just about any online page. Previously, unless you were counting the pitches, you didn't know how many. Now you can pull out your phone and see it right there, or have it on a laptop screen as you're watching the same at home.

Personally, I love to look at pitch count. One of the ways I like to 'use it' is to see how effect the opposing pitcher is fairing against the Tigers. Generally I say: 10 pitch / inning is a great outing against us. 15/inn is average. 20/inn is poor. ]]> Detroit Tigers RedRamage http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97733-un-mystery-pitch-count.html 5-9 MTS MiLB Hot Sheet http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97732-5-9-mts-milb-hot-sheet.html Wed, 09 May 2012 15:16:31 GMT *_5/9 MTS MiLB Hot Sheet _* Another week has come and gone, and the Hot Sheet is here. You are going see some new faces this week, but a few of the regulars are hanging out as well. Side Notes: ~ Nick Castellanos was named the FSL Player of the Week for the week of 4/30-5/6. ... 5/9 MTS MiLB Hot Sheet

Another week has come and gone, and the Hot Sheet is here. You are going see some new faces this week, but a few of the regulars are hanging out as well.

Side Notes:
~ Nick Castellanos was named the FSL Player of the Week for the week of 4/30-5/6.

Pitchers

1.
Tommy Collier – West Michigan Whitecaps SP

0-0, 7.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 5 K

Tommy Collier is quietly having the best season-to-date in the organization. He now has 6 starts under his belt and sports some very solid numbers (2.12 ERA, 6.4 H/9, 5.6 K/9, 2.33 K/BB, 0.971 WHIP). Very deserving of the #1 spot this week.

2.
Fu Te Ni – Toledo Mud Hens SP

1-0, 6.0 IP, 6 H, 0 ER, 4 BB, 3 K

This wasn’t Ni’s best week at keeping runners off the base. But he kept them from crossing the plate, and that has been hard for a lot of the other pitchers in our system this year.

3.
Andy Oliver – Toledo Mud Hens SP

1-0, 7.0 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 6 K

Another solid week for Andy Oliver.

4.
Michael Torrealba - West Michigan Whitecaps RP

1-0, 5.0, 1 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 4 K

After a fantastic 2011, Torrealba came out guns firing this year. This week’s earned run was the first one he has given up in 16.2 IP. He could be packing his bags for the sunshine state soon.

5.
Kevin Eichhorn – Lakeland Flying Tigers SP

1-0, 6.2 IP, 6 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 4 K

Another solid outing by Kevin Eichhorn. He has been a staple on the Hot Sheet all year.

6.
Zack Segovia – Erie Seawolves SP
1-0, 7.0 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 2 K

Zack was close to getting some face time this week. But I am sure he’ll take this outing all year.

7.
Robbie Weinhardt – Erie Seawolves RP
0-0, 5.0 IP, 4 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 3 K

Robbie Weinhardt is trying to get his groove back. It’s good to see him back on the Hot Sheet.

8.
Adam Wilk – Toledo Mud Hens SP
0-1, 5.0 IP, 6 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 5 K

Adam Wilk is still throwing strikes in Toledo. The hit total is a little high, but still overall a solid start this week.

9.
Jacob Turner – Lakeland Flying Tigers SP
1-1, 11.2 IP, 9 H, 4 ER, 4 BB, 14 K

Jake the Snake had one awesome outing and one terrible one this week. It is good to see him getting the inning total up though.

10.
Tyler Clark – Lakeland Flying Tigers RP
1 SV, 4.0 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 4 K

Tyler Clark slips into the #10 spot this week. We have seen a lot of relievers make the Hot Sheet so far this year.



Batters

1.
Nick Castellanos – Lakeland Flying Tigers 3B

12-26, .462 AVG, 5 R, 2 2B, 1 3B, 1 HR, 6 RBI, 1 SB, 5:2 BB:K

Nickie C’s latest slash line, .415/.462/.585/1.047. Good Golly.

2.
James Robbins – Lakeland Flying Tigers 1B

13-30, .433 AVG, 2 R, 3 2B, 1 HR, 5 RBI, 0:12 BB:K

I haven’t been able to write James Robbins’ name down in the Hot Sheet very much in the 3 years I have been doing it. So I am thrilled to see him come in the #2 slot this week. Gotta get that K total down though.

3.
Rob Brantly – Erie Seawolves C

9-23, .391 AVG, 2 R, 2 2B, 1 HR, 3 RBI, 2:2 BB:K

My AAT is still doing work in Erie!

4.
Jamie Johnson – Erie Seawolves OF

8-21, .381 AVG, 3 R, 1 2B, 4 RBI, 3:1 BB:K

Look who showed up on the Hot Sheet this week! Jamie Johnson has been struggling all year. So it is great seeing him in the top 5 this week.

5.
Eric Patterson – Toledo Mud Hens 2B

7-18, .389 AVG, 2 R, 2 2B, 1 RBI, 2 SB, 5:5 BB:K

Eric Patterson makes the Top 5 this week….that is all.

6.
Justin Henry – Toledo Mud Hens OF
7-19, .368 AVG, 2 R, 1 2B, 3 RBI, 2:0 BB:K

Now that Justin Henry is getting more ABs, he is finding himself on the Hot Sheet a lot.

7.
Quintin Berry – Toledo Mud Hens OF
8-22, .364 AVG, 6 R, 4 SB, 3:5 BB:K

Quintin Berry has been a solid addition to the Toledo Mud Hens this year. He provides some nice depth for the Tigers.

8.
Tyler Collins – Lakeland Flying Tigers OF
8-24, .333 AVG, 4 R, 2 2B, 2 RBI, 6:3 BB:K

It has been awhile since Tyler has been on the Hot Sheet. But he is still having a great season in Lakeland. Having Castellanos and Collins batting together in the lineup has been a great recipe for the Flying Tigers.

9.
Patrick Leyland – West Michigan Whitecaps C
6-18, .333 AVG, 2 2B, 4 RBI, 0:4 BB:K

Smokes Jr. making the Hot Sheet!

10.
Jordan Lennerton – Erie Seawolves 1B/DH
8-26, .308 AVG, 4 R, 3 2B, 5 RBI, 1:10 BB:K

Jordan has to cut down on the K’s and then he’ll see himself climb up the Hot Sheet.

HONORABLE MENTION

Brandon Loy – West Michigan Whitecaps SS
9-30. .300 AVG, 4 R, 1 2B, 1 RBI, 3 SB, 2:12 BB:K ]]> Detroit Tigers DontGotSheed http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97732-5-9-mts-milb-hot-sheet.html <![CDATA['Sup with Miggy?]]> http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97731-sup-miggy.html Wed, 09 May 2012 14:34:52 GMT He's really looked flustered in the Mariners series. I've wondered/feared if his injury in the spring hurt his vision somehow.

He's a 300+ hitter...he shouldn't be playing in this .270 area. ]]> Detroit Tigers ROMAD1 http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97731-sup-miggy.html leyland must go!!!! http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97725-leyland-must-go.html Wed, 09 May 2012 01:08:00 GMT leyland has got to go!!!! he doesnot know how to use his bullpen...why was coke pulled last nite????? why was both benoit and valverde not available??? all it would have taken was leave benoit in on sunday nite for the 9th...after he pitched an easy 8th and papa grande would have been available... leyland has got to go!!!! he doesnot know how to use his bullpen...why was coke pulled last nite????? why was both benoit and valverde not available??? all it would have taken was leave benoit in on sunday nite for the 9th...after he pitched an easy 8th and papa grande would have been available last nite..leyland says they lost cuz they couldnt get the big hit...bull!!!! they lost cuz leyland sticks to that stupid philosphy of changing pitcher between the 8th and ninth...who the hell was watching dotel warm up...they couldnt see that he had no control????? leyland needs to go!!!! he sucks!!!!!! ]]> Detroit Tigers biglou75 http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97725-leyland-must-go.html Alex Avila out with Sore Left Patellar Tendon (2 games; hoping to avoid DL) http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97724-alex-avila-out-sore-left-patellar-tendon-2-games-hoping-avoid-dl.html Wed, 09 May 2012 00:21:02 GMT Hopefully just a couple of games, but as you can imagine this is more significant likely for a catcher than any other position: Image: http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQvJenRdV40kph_TGuyOF0PPvoW4VfQdEFEmiAwaQ2J7z-QL0Vv ---Quote--- If Avila is hurt, Gerald Laird is their only catcher... Hopefully just a couple of games, but as you can imagine this is more significant likely for a catcher than any other position:


Quote:
If Avila is hurt, Gerald Laird is their only catcher — so they might not be able to wait several days before deciding about the disabled list.

The injury might not be severe enough to warrant the DL, but that remains to be seen.

"It's a good point," Leyland said about how long the Tigers can afford to go with one catcher, "but right now, it's a case of putting the cart before the horse."

From The Detroit News: Tigers catcher Alex Avila out for at least two games | The Detroit News | detroitnews.com

]]> Detroit Tigers CapitalTigers http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97724-alex-avila-out-sore-left-patellar-tendon-2-games-hoping-avoid-dl.html The GOD, I HATE OCTAVIO DOTEL thread. http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97720-god-i-hate-octavio-dotel-thread.html Tue, 08 May 2012 19:36:21 GMT There is a reason this loser has pitched on 12 different teams. He sucks, and is a washed up bum. Bring back Ryan Perry There is a reason this loser has pitched on 12 different teams. He sucks, and is a washed up bum. Bring back Ryan Perry ]]> Detroit Tigers MSUBrian11 http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97720-god-i-hate-octavio-dotel-thread.html From 77-0 to 11-5: The Tigers and the Early Bullpen Struggles http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97718-77-0-11-5-tigers-early-bullpen-struggles.html Tue, 08 May 2012 17:16:26 GMT The Tigers have lost 5 games in 2012 so far in which they were leading late. Their collective bullpen ERA is 4.25, good for 23rd in MLB. What is the problem? Is it fluky? Can we pin most of it on Valverde? (2 blown saves, 1.8 WHIP, 5.7 BB/9) Do the Tigers need another arm? Will this even out? ... The Tigers have lost 5 games in 2012 so far in which they were leading late. Their collective bullpen ERA is 4.25, good for 23rd in MLB.

What is the problem? Is it fluky? Can we pin most of it on Valverde? (2 blown saves, 1.8 WHIP, 5.7 BB/9) Do the Tigers need another arm? Will this even out?


My thoughts are as follows: Dotel, Coke and Benoit will all be good. Below's been great but I don't completely trust him yet. Valverde though, we'll see. He's got no control and it seems like he's throwing 95% fastballs, although fangraphs disagrees (79/21)

I could mention some more stats or whatever but JV has pitched 12.2 innings and BABIP isn't really meaningful right now. So what do you guys think? Is this a real problem? ]]> Detroit Tigers Vonlenska http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97718-77-0-11-5-tigers-early-bullpen-struggles.html OMG The Tigers Suck In Every Way Imaginable http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97717-omg-tigers-suck-every-way-imaginable.html Tue, 08 May 2012 17:13:36 GMT You may fire when ready, Gridley. :classic: You may fire when ready, Gridley. :classic: ]]> Detroit Tigers DaYooperASBDT http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/97717-omg-tigers-suck-every-way-imaginable.html